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03 Apr 2009 12:00 AM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Hi everyone,
 
ENTITY
I have just received an email from the Administrators which reads as follows:
 
"José Ramón saw the builder yesterday.  The deeds are, at last, signed.  He also saw the application for your fiscal number which should be issued within the next couple of days.
 
The builder will now call a meeting in the near future for official handover and the budget to be agreed etc."
 
Obviously, this is good news but I am querying the point regarding the builders apparent involvement in the setting of the budget and will let you know more when this is clarified. 
 
If, as anticipated, the meeting is a general one can we all try to keep calm? I know how difficult this can be after the last few months of blackmail and extortion but if, like the last meeting, we end up arguing with each other we really only help Antonio and his cohorts rather than ourselves.
 
HABITATION CERTIFICATES
Yesterday, a number of people on Phase 1 were contacted by El Trampolin and told that their Habitation certificates were ready for collection and that we would need to pay 80 euros for them. On visiting the offices the version changed and became "pay the 80 euros first and then Rafael will collect the licences from the Town Hall next Tuesday".
 
Obviously, everyone must make their own decision on this and I know that some have paid already.  For the moment I have refused to pay in advance and have contacted my solicitors for their advice. You may wish to do likewise. I will report back on further developments as I learn of them.
 
ELECTION
It seems that we will need to hold the election for committee members soon.  So far, I have one possible UK based candidate [important to have someone able to act as UK based owners contact if at all possible] but no other nominations. 
 
As the moment the only people who have said that they are prepared to stand are the existing English committee members : Derek Brewis, Syd Murphy, Ian Booth and myself. Don't forget that it is not anticipated that we will be allowed to accept last minute nominations on the day. So, if you want to stand - or nominate someone else [with their approval] - NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY SO!
 
Sadly, none of the Spanish members have, to date, indicated their willingness to stand for re-election. It would really be of great help to all for us to have one of our Spanish neighbours involved  - any volunteers?
 
Please do remember that the make up of this committee will determine how our development is run, maintained, and how much it costs us all! Don't let El Tr. or their chosen nominees get control by thinking that it can all be left to someone else to deal with, your involvement and votes are important!!
 
As always, please pass this on to any neighbours here who are not on the internet.
Kind regards



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04 Apr 2009 10:43 AM by samben Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

HABITATION CERTIFICATES should be free. Iv spoken to people they didnt pay any thing for HABITATION CERTIFICATES




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08 Apr 2009 1:48 PM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Good morning all,
 
As you know the first batch of habitation certificates have now come through. Some have already been given out but, to date, also available are those for house numbers 5, 12, 20, 21, 22, 36, 37, 40, 42, 44, 59, 60 & 67. So far, all these are on phase 1. More will follow shortly but the flow will obviously come to a stop over the Easter holiday.
 
When you get the certificate you also get all the necessary documents including the "sign off" bulletins necessary to arrange direct connection for water & electricity.
 
The bad news is, that to get your licence, El Trampolin will charge you the tax of 80 euros before they collect the paperwork from the Town Hall. In addition, they insist that all "community fees",including April, are paid up to date before they will release the certificates.
 
As you might imagine, lengthy discussions have taken place  with them on this point, but Rafael explained that the company position is that "in that when times were good they were happy to pay for water & electricity, now they cannot and equally cannot afford to pay the certificate taxes."  I was shown the receipt for the licence tax and can confirm that it is actually 79.11 so the odd 89 cents over that probably doesn't even cover their petrol to go and collect them.
 
I know some people believe that they can get a copy of the certificate direct from the Town Hall, but do be aware, that without the necessary bulletins, this will not enable you to get direct connections. I am told that you can get such bulletins from suitably qualified electricians and plumbers but I would imagine that the cost involved would be considerably higher than the 80 euros!
 
I'm afraid that this is one of those situations where the law says one thing, the builder another and we must each decide whether the reality outweighs the principle.
 
There are also further charges, payable direct to Iberdrola (277euros) and AguaMurcia (181 euros), for the actual connections. These amounts will be included in the first bills issued. Overall, not a cheap transition but obviously ultimately a very necessary one.
 
It was indicated that if people do not take up their licences then they will continue to have to pay the 200 euros per month. If they do pay then their supply will be billed direct and whatever community charge is payable will therefore be much less.
 
After the entity transfer is completed, the community charge will, of course, be charged by the entity and not El Trampolin. The exact details of how those then without certificates will be charged for water & electricity is not yet established.
 
Obviously, it has to be a personal decision as to whether to accept the charges requested but it is worth remembering that once all certificates - for the entire site, or possibly by phase, have been issued by the Town Hall there is the possibility that El Tr. could simply disconnect those areas - leaving those house where the certificate has not been taken up without supply.
 
In view of the above, I decided to pay the 80 euro, plus the 200 for April, and obtain the certificate. As you all know, I am not normally one to praise El Tr. but I have to say that, in this instance, they have proved to be very helpful.
 
Not only did I get the certificate, with all necessary additional paperwork, but they also phoned the electricity company on my behalf to arrange connection (it will take about 2 weeks) and are arranging to accompany me and another resident to the Water company to finalise that contract too. I have to say that it appeared to be a very lengthy procedure and I was very grateful that I didn't have to do it!
 
Rafael did point out that many other builders charge 150 euros for this service (I had actually heard that this is the case from other urbanisations) but that he didn't see the need to charge for something that only cost him time and not money.  Wow!!! This really is more like we all thought it should be.
 
I'm not sure how long this spirit of generosity will or can last but I have heard that some solicitors will also do this free for their clients so there is another option, or you can always go it alone if you so choose.
 
In case you are wondering whether I personally have gone over to "the dark side" they have already done the same for 4 other residents before me so I did not get any special treatment but credit where credit is due. I am now looking forward to my own meter [and to a lesser degree the bills].
 
Finally, [I know, I thought it would never end too] a small announcement. Carolina, whilst still wishing to stand for re-election to the committee, has decided to stand down from the presidency.  In the past, and recently, I have had a number of requests from owners to stand for the position myself.
 
After much thought I have decided that I will offer myself up for election as president so you will soon have the opportunity to decide whether you wish to continue to get such lengthy messages or not!
 
Regards to all.
 
Paul



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09 Apr 2009 4:22 PM by miketmclean Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Hi Paul

Is that true,Trampolin Solera are about to go into liquidation.



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09 Apr 2009 5:58 PM by Andrew Wilford Star rating. 193 forum posts Send private message

Hi Mike ... sadly for those residents I am afraid it does appear to be true ... this was a "rumour" started by Leno (?) which has since been verified ... either way basic arithmetic will confirm that there is no way they can meet their liabilities. They intend to cut Solera loose and attempt to bury the debts leaving anyone without an escitura … regardless of what they have paid … simply as a Creditor of Solera with title potentially to nothing!




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09 Apr 2009 8:12 PM by Laurel & Paul Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Mr Wilford,

Firstly it was certainly not me who started this rumour! And, no matter what you say, that is all it is at this moment as far as I am concerned.

Although I have been asked several times over the last 24 hours whether it was true, my reaction was, and remains, "I don't know, maybe, we'll have to wait and see."

Unlike, yourself I do not believe in spreading unproven gossip as fact and I particularly dislike having my name used by those who do so. With the possibility of elections coming up shortly for the residents committee your comments could have been particularly damaging to our cause.

As a point of interest,  I do not normally even look at this site  because of the amount of rumour mongering that it contains. Postings on behalf of the committee are placed by another member to aid communication.

It is only as a result of a friend who saw your posting that I became aware of your  ill founded accusation - albeit with a ? mark against my name.

May I suggesrt that you do two things.

1. Post an immediate retraction and and apology if you have any principles at all.

2. In future check your facts before using names.

Paul Leno

 




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09 Apr 2009 9:07 PM by Andrew Wilford Star rating. 193 forum posts Send private message

Hi Paul ... I don't know you but only YOU know who you spoke to yesterday and WHO YOU told of this rumour ... regardless it is apparently correct. If indeed you have been "miss-quoted" i suggest you are little more careful in future about who you speak too. My information is correct ... I have checked out the source ... and your advice to that person was also correct. Neither of us therefore having anything to apologise for. Perhaps you should bear in mind I had never even heard your name until you were quoted back to me yesterday. All the best. Kind regards .... Andrew Wilford

 



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10 Apr 2009 4:10 PM by Laurel & Paul Star rating. 4 forum posts Send private message

Mr Wilford,

Again, you miss the point!

I told no one. When asked, I said that I had no information as to its veracity either way. Tha fact that you see no reason for an apology, whilst disappointing, comes as no real surprise having now read some of your previous postings.

I assume that, despite my making it clear that I had no knowledge of the facts, someone chose to give you my name as a 'source'  - which you then used, without my approval or checking the accuracy of what you had been told or chose to believe.

As you say, I clearly must be much more careful to whom I speak - perhaps you would like to now ask that person to identify theirself to me [I assume that, based on your past actions, that should not be a problem] so that I can make my feelings clear to them personally.

If what you say about the rumour is factual then my reaction is one of sympathy for those affected. The "See, I told you so" tone of your earlier posting does you little credit I am afraid - but then again that too is perhaps hardly surprising.

This will be my last public posting on this matter.  I have no wish to maintain a dialogue with you as we clearly do not share the same ideas regarding ethical behavious or inegrity.

Paul Leno

 

 




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10 Apr 2009 7:01 PM by Andrew Wilford Star rating. 193 forum posts Send private message

Hi again Paul ... I have clearly now read your "personal" message / email in reply to my own and accept that had you seen this first you would have respondede a little differently. The content of BOTH emails is a private matter between you and I and fortunately it does now appear that you understand my stance a little better but yes ... you are right ... "you DO catch more fly's with honey" and that change has been noted by those concerned. There is zero point, Paul, in arguing about who said what and why but yes ... just perhaps be a little more cautious in future! Having said that I also suggest that you and all the Residents are very much alive to what I am saying since those WITHOUT escituras will become little more than unsecured creditors. I at least have the slight comfort of an embargo and a "querrella" (bad spelling I think) for fraud against Rafael ... Mr and Mrs Philips too have an element of protection I suggestion on exactly the same basis but NOT against plot 82! Kind regards Andrew




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10 Apr 2009 7:07 PM by stevejohnson Star rating. 6 forum posts Send private message

Weldan Paul you are clever

Andrew Wilford had no brains his head is empty

 

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10 Apr 2009 8:29 PM by Worried Star rating. 34 forum posts Send private message

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To Andrew Wilford - I haven't got a clue who you are and I have no doubt you genuinely have issues with El Solera (El Trampolin) or whatever the Company  called itself when you signed your contract with them.

However, can I just say that every time your name comes up there is a sigh of "oh no, not him again".  Whilst I appreciate that you obviously have a major problem with the builders I would like to ask you why you persist in your unfounded, libelous comments about every Tom, Dick & Harry who happens to live on El Trampolin - why don't you target your obvious frustration at the builders instead of dragging every decent person who lives here into your private battle.

Why is that every message you post is in huge letters, in bold.  None of the residents of El Trampolin are blind (so far as I am aware!).  If you are so determined to carry on your hate campaign against everyone whose name you happen to come across, could I please ask you to at least have the courage of your convictions and turn up on site and hold a meeting to put across in a sensible way the issues you have - I have no doubt that you will find many allies on this site.

However, what I find intolerable if your constant snipping at people who live here permanently (unlike yourself) who have endured everything that has been thrown at them but still manage to hold their heads up high and act in a dignified way - something which I am afraid you have not done!

I have lived here permanently since 24th March 2005 and have been threatened with everything under God's earth but I can say here quite publicly that given the option I would not go back to live in U.K.  If you think this country is corrupt take a long,  hard look at what is happening in U.K..

I would suggest that one of your biggest problems is that you have not had adequate legal protection from the word go - but, then again, I do not know your personal circumstances and, quite frankly, have had enough of my own problems to deal with without dragging everyone else into the equation.

If you were a permanent resident here you would have a much better understanding of what the majority of people here have had to put up with and realise that the "sympathy vote" for your circumstances is wearing thin!

Paul Leno has been the President of the Committee for some time now and during his "reign" things have moved forward to a point where things are looking a damn sight better than they have for the past 4 years.  Your sudden appearance on "Eye on Spain" (after your comments earlier in the year that you would not be posting messages again!) makes me think that you are getting nowhere in your persuit of justice and are lashing out at anybody you happen to have the name of.

Please Andrew, I ask you as a personal favour, not just to me but to everyone else who lives here, sort out your differences with El Solero via whichever means you need to, but PLEASE stop your constant sniping at everybody else who lives here and at the people who are trying their hardest to get a satisfactory resolution to the problems we have ALL face.

 




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10 Apr 2009 8:49 PM by Daisymil Star rating. 33 forum posts Send private message

Well said Worried!!! I do not know who Mr. Wilford is either, but I can see he is very bitter and should sort his differences out with Trampolin. Perhaps everyone would have sympathy if he was less critical of the people who live out there.  I do not live there but spend alot of time there and find all the people who I have met both supportive and helpful and I am sure that all our problems have bought us closer together.




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11 Apr 2009 11:27 AM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

'Are you an owner on the El Trampolin site at Gea Y Truyols?
 
If so, are you receiving email updates from the committee? If not, this is probably because we do not have your email address or, if no email, a postal address.
 
If you would like to be kept updated please advise your appropriate details, together with your name and El Trampolin house number so that we can add you to the contact list.
 



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11 Apr 2009 12:47 PM by Worried Star rating. 34 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Committee, am a little bit confused, no change there for anyone that knows me!!  Who is the question  "Are you an owner...?" addressed to?  Is it Worried, Daisymil or Mr Wilford

 



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11 Apr 2009 1:17 PM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Reference to "Owner" is directed to ALL owners who have not, as yet, supplied us with contact details




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11 Apr 2009 3:14 PM by Andrew Wilford Star rating. 193 forum posts Send private message

FAO: "Daisymill", Steve Johnson, Worried AND the Committe ... Clearly Steve's comments apply more to you all than they do to me ... I am sniping at NONE of the owners or the residents save those who have sniped at me and CERTAINLY NOT PAUL LENO ... an individual who's name i heard for the first time when he telephoned a mutual contact to advise that Solera are goiung bust this week. ALL of my attention and criticism is directed towards the three Crooks who took my money ... a percentage of it towards Andy who attempted to threaten me and ALL my sympathies towards Mr and Mrs Philips who have been provided with a fraudulent contract to purchase Plot 82 ... there can be only one and my wife and I hold that. I only get personal when I am attacked PERSONALLY so ... Steve ... clearly it is YOUR head that is "brain dead" either that or you are dyslexic ... look at what you have written!

I bear NONE of you any malice at all ... I just wish you would all open your eyes and see the true picture and not the one you are viewing through Rose Tinted Glasses and read again all my posts ... I am critical of none of you ... indeed deeply sympathetic because UNLESS you have an Escitura, or an Embargo you will all be just unsecured creditors. I at least have an embargo and an ongoing CRIMINAL action against the sole "Director" of Trampolin ... Rafael ... as for the rest of you I don't really know ANY of you so cannot comment adversley in any way. That said I have paid a great deal of money towards my villa at Trampolin  and simply want either to complete on the contract with vacant possession or have my money back ... not too concerned which it is. So ... "Worried" ... NOBODY is sniping at you at all ... at Antonio and his crew yes BUT NOT AT THE RESIDENTS. Paul knows just as well as I do what he has said and it is for him to remind himself of that fact ... I have absolutely NO DOUBT that he is a first class guy but don't shoot the messenger! As for you Steve ... I am willing to give you free "English Grammer" lessons when you are next in the UK!

 



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