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08 Feb 2009 12:00 AM by jogary Star rating in UK. 193 forum posts Send private message

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Does anyone have an update on the handover of the development to the Entity?

Has Raphael signed over the deeds yet?

Has any further progress been made in the contracting of water and electricity?

Have there been any further demands for payments from Trampolin?

Has anyone received news of their Habitation Licences?




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09 Feb 2009 7:10 PM by Daisymil Star rating. 33 forum posts Send private message

All seems to be quiet at the moment.  Our solicitor has got a meeting with Trampolin this week and we are going out to Spain on  Thursday so hopefully I will be able to get more news on the situation then.

 

 




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10 Feb 2009 4:08 PM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

Following the resignation of Keith Jones our initial concern was to find a replacement and the Committee held an emergency meeting and subsequently voted Carolina Gonzalez as replacement with immediate effect. This resulted in the question being raised as to whether the Committee could in fact elect a President when the duties should automatically have transferred to the Vice President. However, there were two deciding factors here - 1. The Vice President, since his election, has now taken on New Yorkers (the old Happy Days bar)and does not therefore now have the spare time to fulfill the position of President and its duties. 2. Because we do not yet have control of the Entity, the Committee is currently an unofficial body acting on behalf of thr Residents and we felt that in the short term this was the best possible solution for everybody and if there is continuing objection we will have to hold a full Residents meeting to elect a new President. With regard to the Entity, there is continuing confusion as to what stage we are actually at. The initial estimate from the Administrators, Pentagono, was 6 to 8 weeks from the middle of November. This did not happen but the Mayor of Murcia did agree to and signed off the Entity on the 14th January. The Entity then has to go for Publication advising of its existence and presumably as a base for any objections, then there is a waiting period of 20 days before the legal transfer through a Notary, can take place. Pentagono are monitoring the situation very closely and are trying to find out why things are moving so slowly. It seems that part of the hold up is that the Company still have some taxes to pay, re the Entity, therefore delaying official recognition. Be advised that the Committee is doing everything in its power to move things forward. Work has been going on on site during the last couple of weeks on both the Water and Electricity supplies which seems to indicate progress towards obtaining Habitation Certificates but be advised that these are the responsibility of individuals not the Committee.


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11 Feb 2009 7:58 AM by andy wild Star rating. 37 forum posts Send private message

To the commitee

as I have said to you before you must elect the president through the community not in this way if the person is to represent the people they must be voted for by the people so you need to call a general meeting and 51% of the people must vote the new president in.

 

Andy




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11 Feb 2009 3:21 PM by murciaman Star rating in london. 25 forum posts Send private message

Hi

We were never ask to vote on the first President, every house owner should receive a nominattion form and if they cannot be in Sain they can nominate someelse

who will act on their behalf. 

James Bass

 




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11 Feb 2009 3:21 PM by murciaman Star rating in london. 25 forum posts Send private message

Hi

We were never ask to vote on the first President, every house owner should receive a nominattion form and if they cannot be in Sain they can nominate someelse

who will act on their behalf. 

James Bass

 




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11 Feb 2009 3:24 PM by andy wild Star rating. 37 forum posts Send private message

James the first time and second time posters were place on the urbanisation and e-mails sent to everyone and it was placed on eye on spain this is deemed as trying to make contact with all available residents if people can not attend due to not living here etc it doesnt matter but the rules are the president has to be voted in by 51% or above of the available people not by the committee




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11 Feb 2009 5:16 PM by jogary Star rating in UK. 193 forum posts Send private message

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Andy,

Can the vice president not take over? It says that this is Richard  but he cant take on the role due to other commitments. Does this mean he has resigned the post?

The recent post by 'committee' says that the committee is currently an unofficial body acting on behalf of the resiedents

In this case, there are no rules for the committee to adhere to because it is not the formally elected committee.

I hope that when the time comes we will all get the opportunity to vote for committee members. As residents of the UK, I assume we get to vote by proxy?

I think this is important when the committee is appointing companies such as Pentagono (who I assume are not working for free)

If I am wrong, can someone please explain?

However, we are happy with current situation and believe that everyone is working hard to resolve some of the major issues we all are facing.

 

 




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11 Feb 2009 5:29 PM by andy wild Star rating. 37 forum posts Send private message

Jo let me explain the current situation at the moment people are going into the town hall in the name of the "community" and causing meyhem some boby has threatened to take a denuncia out against the townhall with regards to the pumps we have for the sewarge so now their will be delays on the hand over also people have complained with regards to the cabels in the road these are the same cabels that have been here for the last 3 1/2 years the community was very close but is now slipping away people need to stop interfering into things they dont understand because at the end of the day it is everyone that will suffer.

 




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11 Feb 2009 5:50 PM by jogary Star rating in UK. 193 forum posts Send private message

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Yes 'I'm sure we dont know the half of it!

These things are not getting reported back to the residents! Pulling in opposite directions isnt going to help.

 




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12 Feb 2009 12:13 PM by dei Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

 

Dear Neighbours,

From this moment, to resolve any issues of electricity and water services, please contact the president of the neighborhood for The Urbanisation Solera El Trampolin: 

 

Doña Carolina Martí Nicolás 

Phone number 690 68 13 44.

 

 

 

Many thanks




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12 Feb 2009 8:21 PM by Committee Star rating. 15 forum posts Send private message

 

Dear All,
 
I am sorry to say that Paul Newman (Vice President) has today resigned from the committee. He feels that his responsibilities with running the bar are not compatible with being a committee member and we must obviously respect his views.
 
This presents us with an ideal opportunity to give all owners / residents a chance to have their say as to who should make up the committee and to be updated first hand as to the current situation. To do this properly it is essential that those not resident are also given the facts and a vote where possible PLUS SUFFICIENT NOTICE OF THE MEETING. 
 
There are those who feel that a panic meeting should be called immediately, however as we are also told that there is still a minimum of 30 days, and probably longer,before any actual transfer of the Entity can take place, your current elected committee would prefer to do it properly with you able to make the decisions well within that time scale.
 
AN OFFICIAL MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE AT NEW YORK'S BAR -WAS HAPPY DAYS (To be confirmed) ON MONDAY 2/3/09 AT 11.00 AM
 
THE AGENDA  WILL CONSIST OF:
 
1. UPDATE FROM REPRESENTATIVE OF GRUPO MED. ( aka PENTAGENO) - who have been asked to attend by copy of this email - regarding their progress, with the entity transfer.
 
2. RESIGNATION OF THE ENTIRE EXISTING COMMITTEE - This gives you the chance to decide whether we have your confidence or not. 
 
3. RE-ELECTION / REPLACEMENT OF COMMITTEE  - 
Would existing committee members please advise me whether or not you wish to stand for re-election.
If anyone else wishes to stand , or nominate somebody else (please get their agreement first) please give me the name of the person, their house number and contact details.
 
Please submit answers / suggestions by 20th February 2009 so I can circulate the names of the candidates and allow for email / proxy votes. 
 
4. ANY OTHER BUSINESS - Please remember that this can only be about matters covered by the entity (transfer of charges for power and water supplies to ourselves and general infrastructure of the site and so on) we cannot include or help with problems regarding mortgages, embargos or build quality, these need to be dealt with by your legal advisors.
 
PLEASE NOTE:  This is your committee and whether you vote for existing members or alternative ones is entirely up to you - BUT DO VOTE AND ATTEND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE - whoever forms the new committee will need to know that they have your whole hearted support.
 
If you know of anybody who may not have got this email, please let them know about the meeting so that they too can attend.
 
I know some of you are already aware of the background here but, for those who are not, this situation has apparently come about because:
 
Somebody allegedly has "complained to the Town Hall regarding the the water pump and cables across the roads" . No name has been given, no date of the visit has been stated and no further details of the complaints have been supplied.
 
For reasons unexplained  the committee has been blamed for this alleged action despite any such visit not being either authorised or, to the best of my knowledge, undertaken by any member of the committee.
 
We are told, as usual by a series of second hand rumours and threats, that there is a risk that water and power could be cut off presumably, as a result of these visits. Hopefully, this is untrue and just rumours and, of course, such action remains illegal as well as, rather obviously, unfair to everyone. We can only hope that good sense will prevail and that after further consideration it will be recognised that disconnection benefits no one and can only increase a flood of complaints rather than stem them.
 
It also appears that "such visits to the Town Hall may well slow the process down". Personally, I cannot really understand why this should be so, but as this advice comes from our administrators we should all obviously bear this in mind if  tempted, as individuals, to make complaints now which perhaps could better wait until after the entity transfer.
 
A very few people, for reasons known only to themselves, have chosen to use this to spread dissension and distrust of the existing committee - all members work on a purely voluntary basis - and to question our efforts to date.  Naturally, I assume that they will be prepared to offer themselves  for election at the forthcoming meeting rather than criticise from the sidelines.
 
Finally, I note that someone has chosen to put contact details of Carolina on Eye on Spain stating that she should be contacted in the event of problems with electricity. I have no idea of the identity of the person who posted this but it was certainly neither authorised nor correct. Neither Carolina, nor any other committee member, has any control over supply - the entity has still not been handed over.
 
Currently the only people responsible for the electricity (and water) supply are the staff at El Trampolin and all enquiries can only be dealt with by them.
 
This will also be posted on Eye of Spain for those not yet on our email list.
 
Best wishes and apologies for going for so long - but you have all asked to be kept informed!
 
 
Paul Leno



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12 Feb 2009 9:01 PM by andy wild Star rating. 37 forum posts Send private message

Paul I hope the lack of water on site now make the committe bring forward their meeting as I am sure you wont see it as a panic meeting now

 

andy




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14 Feb 2009 9:43 AM by Andrew Wilford Star rating. 193 forum posts Send private message

Having myself returned from Spain only 48 hours ago and having seen Andy’s post about the “phase 2” mortgages I felt that I should, as promised, give my own interpretation of the Bank’s position. Before doing so I thing anyone reading this should bear in mind two things; firstly in reading Andy’s posts you are “reading” EXACTLY what Grupo Trampolin WANT you to believe. Secondly we have my perspective which is TOTALLY the reverse and views coming from someone who has been defrauded by the company. As such you are reading two opposing views. Having accepted that BOTH viewpoints are biased I think we have to look at the facts:-

 

1.     The earlier post regarding embargos placed upon the bank accounts held by CAM Bank IS CORRECT. However these relate to the Trampolin Hills Development and not Solera. In some ways I view this as a more serious sign since this is the one development that Grupo Trampolin wish to save.

2.     Given the above fact it must be obvious that the relationship between Grupo Trampolin and their Bankers is at an all time low. The “famed Phase 2 mortgages” are heavily in default and for sure CAM Bank will want to off load this as quickly as possible. However my understanding is that the amounts involved are now very much greater than the amounts originally loaned.

3.     Grupo Trampolin CLAIM to have no money (I say CLAIM because I am aware that a very large embargo was recently placed upon the company and the money was immediately found from “outside” of company funds to resolve this). It is a fact that the Mortgages outstanding are in all … or nearly all … cases far larger than any monies due to be received from clients. I am aware … having been contacted by several owners in the same situation … of mortgages outstanding in excess of €100K with payment due on completion of some €20K. This will bring about a huge shortfall in the amounts to be paid by Grupo Trampolin to CAM.

4.     Mortgages represent but one small part of the “charges” registered against properties. Embargos placed by Creditors represent a far bigger problem than the Mortgage itself and as such are “second charges”.

 

Given all of the above as facts due you think CAM Bank will advance any more money to Grupo Trampolin to either finish off Solera or Trampolin Hills. Their extremely “shaky” status is know throughout the Region and the industry. Do you really think it is likely that ANY Bank will advance the sort of sums of money required to fund the company on an ongoing basis given (a) the current state of the World economy and (b) the state of the construction of such developments in the region.

 

Sadly my honest belief is that the “Gang of 3” have neither the intention or the ability to resolve the outstanding issues at Valle de Sol and that they THINK they can hide behind the fact that Grupo Trampolin is NOT Solera hanging poor old Rafael “out to dry”! They have shown scant regard for embargos placed upon their properties … in fact they have so many now that it means nothing to them any more.

 

I believe I have one advantage over the majority of the Forum’s readers in so far as I KNOW that both Rafael and Antonio can and DO LIE. Some of you have been advised that they hold documentation signed by either my wife and / or I giving them permission to act fraudulently in the sale of Plot 82 to Mr and Mrs Philips. They MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT and given the fact that in Spain such an action is a “Criminal Offence” a “Querella” has been issued against the company and Rafael in particular. I am well aware that Rafael is “upset” by my “posts” and that he has attempted to suggest he will obtain a “Denuncia” against me. Rafael you CANNOT obtain such a legal caution for simply telling the truth!

 

In short, whilst I am NOT saying that Andy is giving you either incorrect or inaccurate information I am saying it is heavily coloured by his own relationships with Grupo Trampolin and as at least one of you knows is not beyond the issuing of threats of intimidation. That said Andy does live amongst you and he will want the development concluded / completed as much as anyone. Of course it is quite possible that he too is getting a highly sanitised version of the truth. M y action will continue until I get either (a) the title to Plot 82 or my money back but I do not intend to make further posts on the Forum. I have told you ALL the truth; it is now a matter for you all to decide who is or is not correct. I wish you all well and continued happiness on the development and have to say that if ANY of my words have upset or offended any of you then I am sorry. However, bear in mind these thieves owe me either my property or +-€200K. Any of you can feel free to contact me via the Message Board … including you Andy BUT I SUGGEST you desist from the threats you have attempted to make. They simply won’t wash anymore.

 




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14 Feb 2009 1:20 PM by Grover Star rating. 37 forum posts Send private message

Andy

What is the problem with the water?




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14 Feb 2009 4:52 PM by gbm239 Star rating. 13 forum posts Send private message

TODAY MY ELECTRICITY WAS CUT OFF BY ANTONIO AND RAFA WHO WERE BOTH PRESENT AND ORCASTRATING EVENTS, ALONG WITH THEIR CREW, INCLUDING MARTHA. UP TO NOW I HAVE KEPT MY OPINIONS TO MY SELF BUT I NOW CONSIDER THAT THE TIME HAS COME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. ANTONIO AND YOU RAFA ARE CROOKS. I HAVE PAID YOU AT THE PRESENT TIME E250,000 OF E320,000 FOR A PROPERTY WITH INFIOR PRODUCTS AND A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN POORLY BUILT, NOT WITHSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE CONSISTANTLY LIED TO ME RAFA I WILL NOT EXCEPT ANY MORE OF YOUR LIES AND DECEICT AND ALONG WITH YOUR BLOODY PARTNERS I WILL SUE YOU AND WILL DO SO WITH EMMEDIATE EFFECT AND AS YOU ARE PROBIBLY AWARE RAFA MY SOLICITOR IS LOOKING AT YOU VERY CLOSELY AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU AND YOU BLOODY PARTNERS IN JAIL VERY SOON




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14 Feb 2009 4:52 PM by gbm239 Star rating. 13 forum posts Send private message

TODAY MY ELECTRICITY WAS CUT OFF BY ANTONIO AND RAFA WHO WERE BOTH PRESENT AND ORCASTRATING EVENTS, ALONG WITH THEIR CREW, INCLUDING MARTHA. UP TO NOW I HAVE KEPT MY OPINIONS TO MY SELF BUT I NOW CONSIDER THAT THE TIME HAS COME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. ANTONIO AND YOU RAFA ARE CROOKS. I HAVE PAID YOU AT THE PRESENT TIME E250,000 OF E320,000 FOR A PROPERTY WITH INFIOR PRODUCTS AND A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN POORLY BUILT, NOT WITHSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE CONSISTANTLY LIED TO ME RAFA I WILL NOT EXCEPT ANY MORE OF YOUR LIES AND DECEICT AND ALONG WITH YOUR BLOODY PARTNERS I WILL SUE YOU AND WILL DO SO WITH EMMEDIATE EFFECT AND AS YOU ARE PROBIBLY AWARE RAFA MY SOLICITOR IS LOOKING AT YOU VERY CLOSELY AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU AND YOU BLOODY PARTNERS IN JAIL VERY SOON




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