Land opposite Lidl's at Playa Flamenca

Hi All Phase 1 owners

We have just received a letter from the Multiservice Bureal L.M.C, based at Miradores, La Manga Club.  In it they say as they specialise in the administration of Communities within Golf Resorts, Roda Golf has requested their help in setting up the Community of Owners and to organise the AGM.

They enclosed a budget for the 9 months from 1 March to 31 December 2007 as well as proxy forms and forms requesting information about individual ownership and an agenda notifying of the first AGM at the 525 Hotel, Los Alcazares on 16th March.

Now, the budget for the 9 (nine) months is a whopping Euros 583,252 and is in respect of 378 dwellings, averaging Euros 1543 per property for the 9 months, which when extended means approximately Euros 2057 average community charges per profperty or at euros 1.48/£ about £26 per week per property. 

Does anyone have any comments?  For example is it normal on community charges (as in England) to apportion per size of property? 

Also, does anyone know what a Conjunto Inmobiliario fee consists of - this is some 68.85% of the General Budget and amounts to Euros 226,019.  There is also a reserve fund of some 95,318 euros.

Look forward to hearing from you either on the Board on via pm.

Sandra & Allan

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Sandra

 

This figure seems very steep.  I think its normal in Spain to proportion the cost out by the size of the property.  So we'll have to wait and see.  This figure also seems very steep considering they haven't finished the landscaping on P1 or the planned facilities.

I agree that this sounds very expensive - we have also bought at United Golf and although some may say that is not of the same standard as Roda, we have been told the community fees will be 40 euro p/mth and that will be with all of the sports, etc facilities up and running at phase 1 completion. This sounds like another example of Roda taking the proverbial if you ask me. So Roda are four times as expensive as United, not too sure what extra we would get for that premium - very little I would imagine !!

What choice, if any do we have in accepting the offer from Multiservice or can we choose do go elsewhere ??

Also, how many people will actually be able to attend this AGM in March at such short notice, not many I reckon ??

Hi there Sandra

We received the community charges today as well, and there are lots we do not understand. For a start we thought there were at least 600 properties on phase 1. As there are 1800 properties in total and phase 1 is the largest phase, 378 dwelling is not logical. By the way conjunto inmobiliario  =  real estate assembly………..and no I don’t know what that means, either. When we first looked into buying at Roda, we were told the charges would be about 800 euros per year. I am writing to Roda now to see what they have to say. 

I did a bit of searching on the Internet and found an email address for the Abogados at La Manga who form the Multiservice Bureau and have sent them the following email tonight: to angel@msb.es

 

This is great work Sandra - how do you fancy becoming President  ??

Seriously though, this needs some real expertise otherwise we will all get railroaded into being overcharged for who knows how long.  Appreciate your efforts so far and will let you know if I can think of anything else - certainly I would not expect to pay one penny for the golf course upkeep as this should be a stand alone business.

Thanks for the vote of confidence - but my skin is not that thick!  Terrible job being el Presidente!  Although we are going to have find someone from the owners eventually to do the job  - I understand from other friends who have done the job that it is a thankless task.  I am just concerned like Mike and yourself that we do not get ripped off and that the proposed charges are fair and reasonable.  I am totally gobsmacked by the Immobiliaria charge - mainly because its a huge amount of money - 67% of the budget and I don't know what its for! 

 Is anyone intending to attend in person? 

At the moment, I feel like booking a flight out there for the meeting but have in the meantime written to my lawyer for some advice on the whole subject as well as Roda Golf.

Looking forward to more responses and more questions please.  Let's hope we can get some answers from the Administrator and/or Roda Golf.

Sandra

 

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Hi Sandra

 

Just booked flights and will be there for the meeting Friday 16^th of March (hope they don’t change the day). I am going to go the day before and come back Saturday. Got really good flights £45.00 return (all inclusive) with Ryanair. Funny thing is we are going out on the 2^nd of March for a flying visit! Sods law I think.

I forgot to say, in your letter, can you ask if the figure 378 is just a proportion of the dwellings on phase 1, sounds to me like it is just the apartments.

     Hope to see you and a few owners there

Cheers

Mike

After an email from Frank here we thought we'd give you some background on this.

The first year, or 9 months in your case, is always a nightmare.  The developer appoints an administrator who then puts together the budget.  It is quite normal to fire the developer-appointed administrator after the first year, as they are not always the best for the community.

The first year budget is a lot of guess work as no one really knows how much it's going to cost to properly run the community.  It therefore tends to be higher than it should.  All budgets must have a 5% reserve amount in them by law.

You may find some of these articles interesting on this subject:

Entering a Community and the Role of the President

What is a comunidad de propietarios?

Please feel free to ask us any specific questions that you may have.

Justin

Thanks for your advice Justin.  I will continue my researches and probing questions to all concerned!!   Its a minefield - I thought the time leading up to completion was the minefield, but this is a real challenge!

 

Regards

Sandra

 

Hi

We did get the letter to day. And we are not happy we dont onderstand this fighers.

1.Conjunto immobiliario fee : what is that, we have payd for cardening, clening, the lifts, water and electricity, insurance policy that what is left?

2. 378 Dwelings ? That we dont onderstand is ther not 600 apartments on face 1.

3. Are the fighers going to get higher when they hend over the rest of faces on Roda golf?

I did fhone Roda golf and they did not knove enithing then i did get a phonnomber for somvone that do knove. Her name is Maresol and the phonnumber is: 968 1751 46  and the email is maresol@msb.es

I did ask her about this qustions and she told me that it is not final and they are looking for somwone to get it chiper. And i did understand that the 378 is not the hole face 1 ? And all of my qustions will be ansered on the 16th of mars.

We are not happy with this, and we are thinking of comming over if we can get some time from work. We hope that we will get it chiper then this and we are hoping that we will meet you all out ther.

Best regards Hildur and Elvar from Iceland.

 

Hi Hildur

I am now planning to attend for this meeting.  I have got some correspondence now from the Administrator but they are still saying that all will be explained at the meeting.  I am not sure that this is terribly satisfactory but I am still trying to get rationale's for their budget guesstimates.  If I get any new information I will post it here.  I have a feeling that some of this budget relates to the whole development and some to just the compelted properties, but I can't be sure!

Equally, if anyone finds out something concrete, then let me know, please.

 

Sandra

Hi

We have also received our letter today and are amazed at the proposed costs - also do not understand why some of the costs are even in there. We will  not be able to come to the meeting on 16th march but have to send our proxy form to someone who is going and is willing to be proxy vote for us. A volunteer please and then we can put the form in the post to you. Suggest others do likewise or we will end up being railroaded by this management company.

Ruth and John

HI,

Yes another one about the charges, I havnt a clue what all this means but we cannot go to the meeting on the 16th as we are off on a cruise.So is it possible I could send out form to someone who is going over. They havnt gave much notice for the meeting, and the costings seem well out.

 

Hi

we are on phase II the fees obviosly are high what are they ??as we have not had anything yet being on second phase?

Hi - see first post at bottom of page 2 of this thread for details.

 

Regards

Sandra

Hi All and Mike B

Just to let you know that I will be at the AGM on 16th March  to see what is going on regarding Roda Golf Community Fees.  If any Phase 1 would like me to act as Proxy, please pm me.

 

Sandra

 

I intend travelling from Dublin specially for this meeting and am happy to act as Proxy for anybody.

 

I will be out from 12 - 16 feb and will also be attending the meeting --- happy to help those who cant if desired.

How time flies  --- my last post should of course  have read 12-16 March