Plan B

Hi All.

Was wondering what everybody is doing now that plan A has gone up the swanny.

I know a few have posted on here who have moved on and still bought propertys in Spain but what about the rest.

What are you going to do now ?.

Ken.

Hi Ken,

What do you mean by plan A gone up the swanny? As far as I am aware HdT are following the feasabilty plan, hence the questionaire.

Wishing you all the best

Tony

Hi Tony.

Can you tell me where the feasability plan fittted into plan A.

I believe plan A involved quite a few of us either living or holidaying in SADM long ago with no mention of feasability plans.

Go ahead spin your way out of that one.

Ken.

Hi Ken,

I am not too sure what you mean by " try to spin yourselve out of this one".  I did ask what you meant by plan A and thought that you may of been alluding to the feasbilty plan/proposal that was voted on.  I was not trying to be "clever", we are all in this together and I have allways mean that and still do.

As it appears you are refering to us having our properties and living or holidaying at SADM, I completely understand your comment. My property was meant to be completed in 2008 and I think that some of us have implemented plan B and are trying our best to get either our properties or money back.

Wishing you all the best

Tony

As plan A or as T calls it the completely  "un" feasable  ain't ever going to happen option that was voted for  by brain washed scared of  the legal route by SARC people   is now  a non starter . Plan B is just more years of misery and false promises for all  .

I would suggest plan C .  ie The legal route . Joint action .Lets STOP  SJ now .

With SARCs' help  SJ  are having it all their own way and  being allowed more and more  time to hide money and assets damaging all of us more with every day ,month and year that passes .

SJ should have been brought to account years ago. Their twisted accounting just does not add up and it may be too late now  but I would rather die trying than let this go .No matter how sorry SJ  say they  really only give a shit for themselves .We are just casualties of their self preservation . Every day this fiasco is allowed to continue is an insult to all concerned . Enough  is enough  .They will never deliver anything   

They are finished  !  The question is  Are you ?  If you listen to SARC you will be !

Joint hefty and immediate legal action is the only way forward .SJ will understand nothing else .They are laughing themselves to sleep at night that SARC came to their rescue did their dirty work and bought them more time .  

This message was last edited by Rason on 22/03/2011.

Rason,

first of all i take exception to being called brain washed, i joined up with SARC as no one else was taking any steps to form a joint group.

i have my own brain and in no way have SARC ever controlled my brain in what i say or do, that is my decision and only mine to make.

seeing as you are now setting up plan C as you call it, please can you let me have the details of this group action, so that i can maybe consider joining your group as well.

who are you using as your legal reps for this joint action ??

 Hi Rason

You've made the first sensible comment for years, but what legal action are you suggesting?  As I see it SJ are still trading but are in breach of contract having failed to complete. I would be willing to join a joint action to get all, or even some, of my money back if legally possible.  

Regards

John

Hi Rason,

First shall we be clear that HdT and SJI are 2 different companies & you have a property at el Pinet. Now as for trying to take legal adtion against a company that has gone through a legal process of dealing with their debt due to the fact that have no money I am amazed that you wish to throw more money away. The whole point of the adminsitration process was for the  COURT to look at the financial activity and behaviour of the companies, their proposals to resolve the problem and for us to vote on it.

Your suggestion is not tenable and based on emotional angst rather then logic or probabilty  and I wonder how you think you would even cover your costs ( every one had to pay their own legal costs, even if groups of them were with a solicitor, no saving there)

All the best

Tony

Well yes, I would agree that the developer, having taken much if not all of the money of many, know they are reasonable quite safe against legal action being taken against them by many, as no doubt they will be the first to tell them what the legal costs will be to make a challenge.
Fear can be so painfull on times.
They did need time to 'sort' matters out before they could go ahead with the development, so it is claimed. I certainly believe that the more time they have to 'SORT' things out, the better it is for them.
Oh, I do hope people are holding too much hopes of seeing what they paid a fat deposit for.

This message was last edited by Rason on 26/03/2011.

This message was last edited by Rason on 26/03/2011.

what about responding to me Rason, you have not replied to my questions, maybe you could do them in red as well,

Hi Dave R would rather not divulge the details of  the action . If you were daft enough to join SARC  unfortunately we can not trust your motives and can do without you .What we really don't need again  is everything we are doing being fed back to SJ/HdT via SARC and it's  members.  Therefore ( in red  as requested)  you do not need nor shall you receive any  further information  or details  .  Good Luck

so u can critisise others for forming groups, but are not prepared to let others join your group action if they are members of another group ????

i doubt u even got a group going, just fresh air waffle. at least some people put there money where there mouth is and made a go of doing somthing, whether u agree with it or not.

maybe when u start showing what u are doing in your group perhaps you will get the same amount of critisism that the SARC people have. however it seems like its going to be a secret squirrel group with invites only,

i would have thought the more people behind your campaign the better, so i would have thought you would on here trying to get more people to join.

I do not criticise others for forming groups but for getting in bed with the enemy ,quite a different thing . I have learnt from passed experience that SARC and it's members have  given vital fore warning information to SJ/HdT ,I therefore make no apology for being selective .

I have a very good action going and have many people so have no need to take risks and add informers  to the camp . No Dave this is not just waffle and lots of my money is where my mouth is ,funnily enough this is not all about money and has much more to do with principles .Something many have forgotten in their fool hardy attempt to protect this company at all costs . 

As this is a principled group we are basing our argument on just that and do not need to recruit  from the failed groups like SARC . We know who the enemy are and do not need anyone who doubts this FACT . Good Luck Dave  I hope your quest for justice from those who have wronged you proves fruitful . It may be constructive to have a clear idea in your head of who they really  are .

Rasan,

 a very strong reply but i read no supportive eveidence to any of this, so as i said all waffle.

ypu have no idea what my current situation is with my purchase but you seem to wish me luck ??? and if this so-called group is doing well why come on here saying this is what is needed instaed of saying this is what we are doing ???

Waffle Dave I don't think so .I do not need to justify myself to you so you can report to SARC,  T and SJ/HdT  . Our action is doing just fine without the involvement of SARC who believe every word SJ/HdT have to say . 

Where are the BGs ?  BGs never ,or they would be in place by now totally illegal to attempt to draw up new contracts without basic property law  ignored again 

When is the build starting .? Never 

 When is the finance going to be in place  ?  Never  

Why are the residents and purchasers at El Pinet  being treated so badly ? Because SJ don't give a damn

 Unlike you and SARC I know the answers to these questions .  BGs never ,or they would be in place by now totally illegal to attempt to draw up new contracts without / basic property law  ignored again  .

Whatever  Dave You obviously know best 

I do genuinely wish you  good luck .Trouble is Dave  it has very little to do with luck .

i to like you know some answers to the questions, however ask yourself this,

once the finance has been approved then as part of the finance package, comes the BGs and only then can the new contracts be offered.

this come from a very very reliable source who works in the valencian regional town hall, who i can share with you if you so want, but not sure if i should as you said below we do not want informers telling you things do we.

Dave not sure that you do know .You really need to look at the bigger picture ie back to  2003 at least  and the beginning of El Pinet .

SJ and HdT are  breaking promises and messing clients and partners around from then on .Until you  know the passed record and history of  of this company you really  should not comment .

When  you know and understand  the real history and facts we can have a debate . Until then you are just the waffle not me .

You obviously want to stick with them  in some insane hope that they may deliver .  I know they never will.

  They have never ever  delivered a complete and legally completed development  to date .This fact may tell you all you need to know .

What is different now .You tell me what has changed . I know nothing has . They should have been brought to account years ago .

So let them  continue as a going concern with SARC  propping up their pathetic  little facade or let them go down .It will make no difference to the outcome unless you fight and spend money on legal help .

As for your contact  in  Valencia , don't bother I have many contacts of my own . Who is yours  ? Where are  their loyalties ? What is their position in all this ,You may be surprised !  Not sure I want to know    , I am quite sure he/she has nothing to say that I have not heard before .Actions speak louder than words  . He who dares wins . As I have said before Dave  Good Luck .  I do hope you have not placed  all your eggs in the one  basket . 
 

This message was last edited by Rason on 28/03/2011.

Wow.....i had this private message at EOS tonight.  I wonder if its from someone at San Jose who wants to fill in my questionnaire!!!!!

orasankara@yahoo.co.uk

Hello
My name is Ora i saw your profile today at(www.eyeonspain.com)and became interested in you,i will also like to know you more,and if you can send an email to my email address,i will give you my pictures here is my email address (orasankara@yahoo.co.uk) I believe we can move from here! Awaiting for your mail to my email address Remember the distance or age or color does not matter.
Miss.Ora.

Seems to me that your luck is changing for the better, she dose seem very attactive, possibly from nigeria by any chance. ps don't forget she will be needing some money sent out for her to fly here.

best wishes

mark