The Oasis apartments- facilties, pools etc

plf this is the problem with people on these type of communities, they just won't listen or understand what can and does happen, the Spanish system is VERY DIFFERENT to the UK system, any individuak can denounce any other individual which nobody wants

The complete communities make the decisions, not the  most vocal group or those who post on Facebook

You should all work togther to improve and grow your investment not go out to p people off in the community

The only thing I accused you of is being factually incorrect, which you were many times.

I'm not worked up at all, it was yourself who stated 'your mind was being blown', because you couldn't understand a post that was cteated by an Oasis owner for other Oasis owners to comment on.

WHY CAN'T SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE FACTS.

OASIS OWNERS VOTED 100% TO KEEP OASIS POOLS FOR OASIS OWNERS ONLY.

THAT'S IT.

Wow, that post has to be a joke surely..........

I was joking earlier when I said you only had the one post that keeps getting repeated, but you really have.

I have no interest in using any of your pools mate, so please stop shouting at me with your CAPITALS.

OR actually read what we talking about.

Get a life

plf sanity check time, are you an owner of an Oasis apartment, if not I am asuming that you own on HDA if so would you like to say where

Also then you suggested that your partner, a trained keep fit instructor, should use the Oasis pool for classes, why can't she use the pool where you own, is there a pool and also why didn't you ask about the options for other pools onsite

I am getting a little confused as I asumed that you owned an Oasis apartment, if not why interfere in these decisons

All I have been doing to to try to give some advice, based on real practical experiences on other local resorts, things that actually happened

Roy, I'm on resort from tomorrow, pop over and I'll answer anything you want to know over a beer, my round ! It would have been so easy to tell you to mind your own business, but I'll rise above that.

But please can everyone stop making things up and actually read what has been written, your making the issues

Nowhere have I ever asked for a pool for my wife to use, never have done, never will do neither has she, so can you please correct that. Oasis owners have suggested to other Oasis owners that she use their pools, to provide them with a free service, end of. But rest assured no way is that happening now.

Nearly all have been in favour, a couple haven't, and that is no problem either. All I've done is correct people who have started quoting this that and the other INCORRECTLY, as you are now doing.

I will not be responding again, better things to do with my life BluePaul. You know where I'll be tomorrow Roy.

I would be happy to pop over but I have clients  all week so sorry not possible, working

It is nothing to do with interfering, as I said on previous mails I knew that there was an issue here with other communities using the pool when I was selling there and for that reason only sold Los Olivos and a villa because I could answer people honestly

I am also getting regular sales enquires for this development so I always make sure that the facts are correct

I am also sorry about the misquotes as you put it but sems to be a raw wound at the moment so my advice is to avoid comments and let things settle down, the new buyers will not understand the process

There also seems to be a communication issue here, a Facebook closed site and this forum

I also wasn't being funny about the insurance aspect, get it wrong and it will cost somebody a lot of money

Can we please all accept the facts. You can't access pools in the other communities in which you do not live as they are  for the sole use of their residents.

To the best of my knowledge us in the villas have no intention in trotting over to Oasis anytime soon. I can't see Olivios taking the long walk to Oasis and vice versa I can't see Oasis wanting to access others pools. That would be plain silly after arguing that people can't use Oasis.For those in Oasis I know you are frustrated but I think you do need to accept that  apart from Pueblo the other communities of HDA do not want to use your pools. Quite simply we don't want Oasis using ours so I would have thought and hoped  that we are not arguing that other communities can use your pool.

Outsiders reading these posts will be given the wrong  impression that the HDA communities are not getting along. In particular those wanting to buy Oasis will be put off when there is no need to be.  HDA is a great place to live no matter where you are located on the resort. HDA has  lovely people most of which do get along and want HDA to be great for everybody. 

NB: Katman. Thanks for the reply.  I'm reassured in knowing that you realised my words were intended to be kind.  It can be difficult at times to get across the intended meaning in posts! All the best to you also.

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First, i would like to say , that Hacienda del Alamo is a nice place  ( might not be everyones cup of tea, but its has its  own charm) has an up and running golf course that stood the test of time.

The resort has many communities and each community - has different styles of phases that caters to different niche.

villas- with private pools

villas -with community pools

Spanish Village (Pueblo espanol) a town commercial centre- no pool, has potential to be a real commercial place.

And the Apartments-

Los Olivos  with shared pools 

The Oasis - shared pools, private mini splash pool,gated site.

The initial release of Oasis, with its price and quality - was a good  sucess for The bank , so a new professional legal Administrator was appointed to manage it. This Adminstrator also manages, Mar Menor golf resprt and Peraleja golf resort..

Each of these communities has its own Legal Administrator which overseas how the community runs in accordance to the Community Statutes,Bylaws...(each community has its own. )

In principle , everyone in a community  understands  that anyone who buys in a community  is automatically binded in a "legal framework " and theres no such thing as "small mindedness.." Spain is very different than in UK, or any other country, in Spain owners has probably more obligations than rights.( so to speak) you really need to think things thru in Spain. 

In this thread, as i understand it, covers Two subjects-

1-)Oasis facilities and pools, for the sole use of oasis residents 

  2- )Facebook post of an owner , suggesting one  friend who is from another community to use the pool for Fitness exercise classes, ( open for all)which had some few positive support from thosewho are active in facebook.

Now, as been mentioned many times before here, - by some sensible posters."

" please accept the facts,- You cant access any pools in other communities which you dont live."-( which are officially agreed and passed)

" Nobody can just do anything in a community even if they seem such a good idea" - some people welcome those ideas but Everybody needs to know about it and agree. It does not matter how many facebook comments you have.( this should not even be raised in facebook for that matter) 

Any exercise class free or charged are viewed as  Commercial Activity in Spain which requires few things.( but many would think its no big  deal, till something happens) 

Not ALL owners are British, not All owners are in facebook, not all owners wants an exercise  class in their pool, some even if its free ! or charged.  (why  are the Fitness  instructors offer a " certain "exercise program if they dont have a facility for it?)  

and most importantly Facebook is not the  ideal place to agree  on things with anything that is community property, ( ref. Commonhold act) specially after the "issue of the verbal agreement with Pueblo espanol using the pools....

The problems with such communities almost everywhere in Spain: ( holiday homes, resorts etc) 

1-the permanent residents or the ones that frequents in the resort, for some reason thinks they have some special privileges , in creating ideas, and decision making ( happens a lot) specially when they start building relations to neighbours , or just want some sort of activity......

2-the " shrug shoulders- grin- bear- it- " group

3- the vocal ones in the facebook, - group , 

BUT then, they forget that even if the some properties look empty it doesnt mean nobody owns them, and it does not mean that the owner did not attend the meetings they dont exist or not aware , or been legally represented for that matter ,  and even if the owner does not frequent in his property doesnt mean he doesnt care  and most importantly just because he is not in social media he does not have the same equal Rights. 

Oasis is nice concept, with a potential ,  owners need to come together to focus their attention to develop  it , inorder to reach its potential. Fix what needs to be fixed, enhance it and later can move to other Plans ... As other poster has mentioned.

All the very best ! please try to be sensible , factual, and not attack posters on eye on spain, its really hard to come across as helpful in a post ....

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Hi katmon

we have just booked a purchase on Spanish village and were told that the other pools are NOT included or permitted to use and not part of the hda Spanish village.they are ,I think three different sites and three different organisations.

Would like to add some points basing on my experience with Urbanistic residential community in Spain:( also with others)

the use of community swimming pools in residential community for commercial activities( group classes, exercise, swimming classes etc)

1- first it is advised to check the zoning of your location : if they are under commercial zoning ( usually residential area community are not zoned for commercial activities)

2- you need to check with your management for an insurance - "Accident insurance and liability  insurance "

And if there will be accidents that will happen- who will take responsibility ? The community or the individual who made the activity  or is it the instructor? A formal legal waiver needs to be drafted.

insurance claims also depends on what occured- if the people slipped broke their leg, siezure, cramps, or drowning, occurs- there will be an investigation, and the urbanization insurance could be put resüonsible. Why take risk ? 

3- the President needs to sign the agreement- ( the major share holder of your development is the Bank) even if you own a unit in a resort, the unanimous vote is what matters. And your presidents signature.

there are many implications that could happen in ones action. There are set of rules and that one needs to refer before pursuing such ideas.

one of the reasons many " Resort Community in Spain and around the world- has Hotels in their site - the Hotel is a commercial entity and its pools can legally hold such commercial,activities...why not use your hotel pool? 

overall, many good ideas do exists, and with good intentions-but just has to be done in the right way. It will save everyone grief and lots of money.( so serious about insurance) 

" When buying in a community- the Horizontal law- and spanish civil law  is the basis of  your " community bylaws)

Enjoy,

Hope this is a bit helpful.

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