Early Retirement- E106/Insurance/Pay into System/Pay as You Go

JUST A THOUGHT IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU GUYS? WHOS TRYING TO GET THERE MONEY BACK AND WHOS GOING TO RIDE OUT THE STORM. IM NOW IN 2 MINDS BUT AM GONNA MAKE A DEFINATE DECISION BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK CAUSE I JUST CANT GO ON LIKE THIS. WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS

I´m interest to see what happens next week. The meeting at the town hall ended at 8.30pm last night and now its the weekend. I wonder if or what the judge will say about the meeting. From what i´m hearing it will be decided either way within the next 2 weeks. I put my money down over 3 years ago so what is another couple weeks to wait.

We are definitely with you Grey Hair.  If we all give in now there would have been no point in fighting out this long.  I personally think they've got too much to lose if it doesn't go our way.  I am thinking positive and keeping my fingers crossed.

Good luck to us all.

OK so I have had a bottle of rioja but there is a dozen questions running through my head
1. Is it 4 to 5 or 5 to 4
2. If the mayor has to vote within the next 15 days, what does that mean
3. my arithmetic is poor but the deposit I paid times 2500 homes equals over 300 million euros. At 4% that equals over 1 million euros per month
4. How many employees does TH have, if there are more than 200 I would be surprised. how much do they get paid?  2500 euros per month on average.? equals 500,000 euros
5. Antonio can afford his luxury cars, good luck to him.
6. I have a bank guarantee that expires in August, what happens then
7. Do I cash in now or do I wait 15 Days
8. How easy is it to cash in a bank guarantee
9. In 2 weeks time are we going to have the permission and then be complaining about something else.
To hell with this I am away to open the next bottle
Keith Plot 142

hi Keith,

 

Any Rioja left ?  I could do with a drink right now.

 

gerry

Hi

Unfortunately, you can't "cash in" a BG. It can only be used if a deveoper goes bust.

To get your money back, you will have to look at your sales contract and try and find a breach on the developer's side. Usually, this comes down to the developer not delivering on time. (Probably 99.9% of developments in Spain!)

You then have to sue the developer for breach of contract in the courts (which costs an arm and a leg). From what we have discovered, this is almost impossible. The developer has so many legal loopholes on his side. For instance, the developer can claim that the project is genuinely delayed because of no fault of his own. This includes, inclement weather, unforseen building problems and even a lack of qualified builders in the area. I am sure infighting by the political parties could also be cited.

A joint effort might be better because you can share the costs and support each other. The problem on El Trampolin was that everyone had slightly different contracts. Different timescales on different phases etc.

There is loads of information on this subject on various forums and you have to do your homework.

It sounds like things are coming to a head now, so you might not have to wait much longer. Good Luck whatever you decide!

anyway I am on my second bottle of Rioja and  the GT are in breach of contract prefiero comprar un apartamento en trampolin hills esta necesario cuidami 

I'm not naive in the least, but I have one question?  Why are so many people making so many negative comments?  There are some of us that are still trying to stay positive and it really doesn't help with stupid comments.  If that is how you feel just start up a negative thread of your own and stick to you.  Sorry to sound so rude but there are those of us who want to try and stay positive.

 

Well said Tracy,

I`m with you Tracy, well said. Murciaboy I think you need to start taking more water between glasses of rioja you are becoming inco...inco...inco....we can`t understand what you are talking about.


ha ha ha

regards
Brian

Hi all,

I have just received the email below from Trampolin Hills informing me of the current situation. I was not quite sure of what it meant so i called them to ask a few questions. Basically it means that Trampolin Hills and the town hall have 15 days to submit the documents (stated in the email below) then it has to go to another vote. I have also been advised that the Judge is putting pressure on the town hall to get this situation resolved. I´m sorry i have no more information to give you all at the moment, hopefully next time i make a post it will be the news we are all waiting for. Fingers Crossed.

In relation to the issue of the definite license in Campos del Rio last Friday May 16,

Firstly,  last Friday there was no celebrating of the final license yet due to the fact that  Popular Party was not in favour that the PSO argued that the justification for calling urgently the “ Pleno” relating to the modifications of  the Subsidary rules of the particular Zone. This situation leads to the approval at this point, pending until they meet again for the definite license  and can be put to vote. This meeting will not be  held until the council is in possession of legal reports of Local Government of the Autonomous Community, as well as the Registrar of the municipality of Campos del Rio, on the compatibility of the Mayor and “Concejal” objected in relation to the vote, which must report favourably to exercise their right to vote in the full, and therefore the majority needed to unlock the political situation in Campos del Rio. The attempt on our part is that all this week we can count on these reports and as much as possible to expedite the convening of the session. We would like to impress upon customers that these reports are the only possible path to secure and guarantee the votes of the 6 councillors of PSO, as well as well as a legal guarantee of the votes of two members objecting against any complaint that the PP could put before the two councillors , and certainly could again paralyze the dossier at the Directorate General of Urbanism, until it is settled if those two votes were valid or not.

 

On the other hand, and in relation to the court order concerning the responsibility of the municipality of Rio de Campos to all purchasers of THGR, is that the measure of pressure that the promoter has in order that the council complies with the urbanistic pact made and agreed previously, of which there is nothing but only to expedite and complete all formalities necessary to achieve final approval. The aim for the promoter is to end the deadlock  and be able to build houses as soon as possible and not to start a legal procedure which result in the losing of time and that the idea of looking for compensation would would only be a last resort if  THGR thought they really could not build .

 

This is the situation as of today and we would like to thank you for  keep your spirits and patience through this last phase of the process…

I have also just received the following after I asked Trampolin for some clarity of what happened on Friday: 
It appears that the 5 to 4 vote against was purely on the fact it should be considered as a justified urgent meeting and it got no further than that being disagreed. Appears no vote was taken at all on the project. 
 
So still looking reasonably positive. Let's hope they can get the vote carried.

I guess unless you are actually there at the meetings in person you don't know what exactly is going on.  Grey Hair was at the meeting and said it went 5 \ 4 in favour of the project and the link below says it went against.  I had a message from TH today to say that they are hopeful that a positive decision will be made within the next two weeks.  Who knows, it's just a other case of watch this space!  With fingers crossed.

Article from today`s newspaper laverdad.es

http://www.laverdad.es/murcia/20080520/comarcas/campos-equipo-gobierno-niega-20080520.html

A rough translation of the article, hope it is of some help.

The government team refuses to take responsibility in the case Trampolín Hills . Affirms that it has not granted licence for the construction of more than 2,500 houses in the 'resort'

The government team of PSO in Campos del Rio last Friday broke his silence regarding the reports in The Truth about their potential liability in the event that homebuyers in the complex Group Trampolín built in the locality.

The Socialists said in a statement that "can not derivársele responsibility for something that has not authorized", in response to the order of the judge Miñarro Garcia in which it was noted that in the case of a "massive damage" - the Consistory could CAMPER be compelled to support with its civil action from the owners of 2,575 homes in the resort.

The government team led by the mayor, Miguel Navarro, further states that it is not the council, "but the Autonomous Community, who holds the competition for the final approval that will allow the land can be classified as urbanizables. The release adds that the Consistory "it is only conducting the proposal to the Commonwealth for such approval takes place."

That proposal is one that should have taken place in the failed special plenary session convened last Friday, which was held not to overthrow the PP his statement of urgency.

The Socialists claim that the council "has not given any licenses for the construction of houses" by Trampolín Hills, but adds a line that followed "can not intervene in the market for buying and selling real estate and therefore can not prevent sales made. "

Lastly, said that potential buyers requiring identification classification of land agreement with Trampolín Hills were informed that the ground was "not urbanizable", despite the fact that many affected went to La Verdad municipal sources saying that they had given "assurances" of the legality of the project

Firstly davey,

Thank you very much for the translation. however i am alittle confused, could you tell me in layman terms what this actually means which party is for us and which is against  Many thanks

Hi reach high,

The way i see it is the Peoples Party (PP) are against the development,  and the Spanish Socialist Workers Party are in favour of the development (Partido Socialista Obrero Español) . I am sure someone will correct me if i am wrong, and please do.

This link may help to clarify  whose for and whose against, sorry the link is so large, it just saves translating all the info from laopiniondemurcia.es

Click here


Davey


This message was last edited by davey on 5/20/2008.

hi all, went to trampolin today, spoke to Pilar, and my estate agent.  Went there to pick and choose tiles etc..  to me this did not look like a  company in panic , there were plenty of people in the office and mood seemed very upbeat . Basically they told me the same as what has been posted will post more if find out tomorrow.  Feeling alot better.

James

hi all, went to trampolin today, spoke to Pilar, and my estate agent.  Went there to pick and choose tiles etc..  to me this did not look like a  company in panic , there were plenty of people in the office and mood seemed very upbeat . Basically they told me the same as what has been posted will post more if find out tomorrow.  Feeling alot better.

James