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15 Dec 2013 6:50 PM by hughjardon Star rating in Jaywick Sands. 418 posts Send private message

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Another blow for the dumbest goverment on the planet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25369033

When is this stupid goverment going to start thinking about the future of its people 

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16 Dec 2013 8:35 AM by Roly2 Star rating in Almeria. 646 posts Send private message

I seem to remember the UK dropped these super casinos not so long ago.    Maybe the government(s) are thinking long term rather than short term blight.  





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16 Dec 2013 9:00 AM by mac75 Star rating in Valencia. 415 posts Send private message

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I don't think it has anything to do with casinos, I think the problem lies with making certain laws exempt with in the casino complex, such as smoking and gambling addicts being allowed to enter. The government is effectively being held to ransom for something it cannot do.

So the only choice is to let the project go.



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16 Dec 2013 9:18 AM by mariedav Star rating in Ciudad Quesada. 1222 posts Send private message

Plus the American owners of the casino wanted a virtually tax free environment.  A shame the jobs will be lost but the Americans wanted to be able to build and run it with no tax liabilities much as the one they built in Macao.  Talks broke down more due to the intransience of the American company rather than the Spanish government.  More to these stories than meets the eye.  Yes, the catholic church did object to the building but they are hardly a major force in Spain anymore.

 





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16 Dec 2013 10:23 AM by baz1946 Star rating. 2327 posts Send private message

The tax thing that Mariedav mention is probably the biggest stumbling block if someone in Spain realised that almost all the large American companies that work outside of the US don't pay much in taxes, if indeed any to the host country.

But the downside is the loss of perhaps 250.000 jobs in construction and running the place, many being  Spanish and when these wages were paid,  taxes of one sort would have also been paid.

You can be sure as said more to this then meets the eye.





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16 Dec 2013 11:35 AM by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message

Opus Dei and the Catholic mafia lobby objected to it. The PP governing part are close to them and raised obstacles they knew the investors would not accept. 

 


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16 Dec 2013 12:53 PM by mac75 Star rating in Valencia. 415 posts Send private message

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I don't think the Opus Dei or the church has anything to with it, the PP got this whole thing in motion and  stole the bid from Barcelona. Those obstacles are laws that have already been passed in Spain. You can't create a lawless piece of land within a capital city just to create jobs, it undermines everything and would create a civil war within the national hospitality sector.



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16 Dec 2013 12:56 PM by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1754 posts Send private message

I do not see this as a blow to Spain – yes construction and employment may suffer a bit but why should any govt be held to ransom by overseas companies making demands on taxation and laws for their own profit etc.  These laws apply to everyone else why should they be granted an exception, far too many large corporations get away with avoiding tax etc as it is.

You could argue about the spin offs etc but it is still wrong to be selective on tax and law etc.

I say well done Spain for standing up to these greedy large corporations



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16 Dec 2013 1:24 PM by windtalker Star rating. 1950 posts Send private message

It takes some beleving that it would have created over 250,000 jobs .





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16 Dec 2013 1:38 PM by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message

The Catholic church raised substantial objections to the project. This was probably not the only reason the government negotiations with the investors failed. However the influence within the PP party of the church should not be underestimated. Rajoy is an Opus Dei member and so was Jose Marie Aznar.



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16 Dec 2013 2:13 PM by txakoli Star rating. 18 posts Send private message

"Rajoy is an Opus Dei member and so was Jose Marie Aznar".

 

Was or still is?  Wouldn't trust the man an inch; nor any politician with a moustache! 





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16 Dec 2013 5:07 PM by casperruby Star rating. 165 posts Send private message

Good on spain tell the yanks to foxtrot Oscar, why should spain and europe be dragged down to the level of the americans which are in effect a third world crass and morally tasteless nation. With a far bigger gap between rich and poor of any of the developed world. As for 260000 jobs what a load of tosh!



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16 Dec 2013 5:28 PM by baz1946 Star rating. 2327 posts Send private message

The amount of jobs / work created is probably correct because the companies given the job of working out the logistics before any work has taken place on a project of this size do so by estimating the entire work force needed for the entire complete job, this includes everything from the ground up to the opening day. 

For instance they will include high employment figures if someone provides concrete for the ground works that this concrete company might have to take on many extra staff to service the length of the concrete contract, this overall high figure does't mean the project will employ 250.000 people at any one given time. It's the knock on effect of providing materials and the manpower needed thats nearly always counted.

Tesco's in the UK are probably one of the worse companies for doing this, many times to get council approval for a new supermarket they will tell the council these works will bring employment to your area for anything up to 100.000 workers. Does it?...Looks good though.





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16 Dec 2013 5:52 PM by mariedav Star rating in Ciudad Quesada. 1222 posts Send private message

El Pais actually quoted 25,000, not 250,000. The American company also required a guarantee that future governments would not change the rules, like overturning the smoking rules and tax breaks. As no future government can be held liable for a previous administration's ruling then it would be impossible to agree to those terms.



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