FACTS OF THE MATTER ARE .........

Brin,

What did vinni look like - 6 ft 6 with a beard & glasses, scottish accent? Was Vinni his first name? Where was the original office he took you to? 

Bob

Hi Bob, No Vinni was English about 5 ft 10 tall thick set type of guy who lived in Spain ,with if my memory serves me right a wife and 2 children. He would of been 50 ish with short cut hair.  He used to take most of the clients for the said Finca Parcs to the site. He answered all the questions we gave him and seemed to know just about everything about what was going on and what was proposed to happen.We went to an office under a house in a place called Delores. He told us it was the house of the boss and that they were moving to offices in Murcia. Hope this jogs someones memory as if he can be tracked down we might have someone who could throw a lot of light on many a subject ref. Finca Parcs and Cleyton ges. If he were open to talk to us

Again regards Brin

Dear Ricman,

Your message of 31 December contained the following sentence:-

"If requested we will stop posting our answers, updates and photos on here and you can source them yourselves from your agents"

Please kindly treat this message as such a request.

Yeah great fun for those like me £20k down and nothing to show for it, I 'm killing myself with laughter - Not!

OK guys......am I missing something here?  Been away for a month or so, just come back on the forum to have a look and cant believe what im reading.

LAUGHABLE  you say jordy, well let me tell you, this whole situation is completely not laughable as far as im concerned.  I agree with dbaile here.  I have bought on this development and am also a sh*t load of money down due to the exchange rate and delays. The only thing that is laughable are some of the comments being made.  some of you obviously have money to burn if you think its so funny.

Also crafton cannot possibly be in his 'right mind' if he has bought on this development and doesnt want anymore info from the ONLY person who has been supplying us with updates.  thanks for making the decision for all of us!!!!!  have i missed something that the managment company have done wrong to p**s a couple of you off?  all i can see written here are updates from them letting us know what the bl**dy hell is going on. 

I find it difficult to believe all the stuff posted on here, and it seems wierd that there are so many new people suddenly popped up out of the blue with nothing to do but  be sarcastic and dream about making films !!  wouldnt some adult conversation be more appropriate on such a forum where people can chat about whats going on.  with such childish behaviour, you should try nick junior.

Mark

Jordy,

Can you elaborate on your statement about the bank guarantees being null and void please.

well to anser you question independant if you look at other postings mentioning guaratees they also say only phases 1 and 2 got the bank g's. 3 4 5 dont as cam arnt doing them are they. cant answer for 1 and 2 - maybe someone else can coinfirm this?

ok, it aint funny, but its posted in tongue in ncheek, im likely to loose alot f money to. its been very bad to see how its all gone wrong ive been duped too. I never really took much notice of this site as i got information direct but as ive seen on here if all these things are true and its been covered up for some time then ricman has been conceaing it all surely, as he is onsite all the time he must of got a sniff?

anyway kram dont let the bastads get you down.

It´s been interesting that since the last exchange on e-mails that Ricman and the company have not been very quick  to respond or defend any statements made, especially if they were not correct

I actually knew about the family relationship but didn´t feel that it was appropriate for me to post this as I am not a buyer of a property on this development and again would have been called a trouble maker

It has been proven that the development near Almoradi never actually had planning permission from the Town Hall so the owners have a worthless properties and a potentially lengthy legal battle to legitimise the properties 

There were comments made that buyers on phase 1 would be receiving copies of the building permits, that the COH was about to be issued and that there was no case to answer on the issues with planning but there hasn´t seemed anybody confirming these statements

Sorry but they don´t have a great track record ore referencable customers

Perhaps the reason ricman hasnt been posting on here recently is because crafton told 'em to bugger off earlier this month.

Message from crafton as follows (who incidentally claims in a previous thread that he hasnt even bought on this development, or words to that effect).

Dear Ricman,

Your message of 31 December contained the following sentence:-

"If requested we will stop posting our answers, updates and photos on here and you can source them yourselves from your agents"

Please kindly treat this message as such a request.

Looking forward to the next installment of 'Tales of the Unexpected' or is it 'Sons and Daughters'.
 

Dear Kram,

On reflection, and as I believe in free speech, I toatally and absolutely withdraw my post of 5 Jan having recognised the hurt and anguish it may have caused. Ricman is therefore at full liberty to resume his colourful commentary on this project. He was always, of course, at full liberty to ignore my kind request that he desist.. I am also a strong supporter of family values and see no reason why Ricman should be criticised in this respect.

Crafton, stop being so pretentious.

I raised the issue that Ricman was related to Gill the Cleyton ges Company Secretary and therefore could not be independent.

This site, frankly has had too many people concerned about the colour of the gravel and whether to have lemon or lime with their xmas gin and tonic rather than the serious business and risks involved in purchasing property from the developer.

I have raised concerns on numerous occassions about the status of the development, and substantial problems, along with other contributors such as Bernice Robinson and Inspector homes. At various times, contributors raising problems and concerns on this site has been criticised for doing so.

Well the reality has now hit home, and the reality  is that you won't be getting a Finca Parc Home or your deposit back if you don't have a bank guarantee!!

David 

What has this forum turned into, no wonder so many have now started their own social groups and chat forums. This seems to resemble a tool that is being used to slate people rather then give any constructive information expecially for those of us that actually are looking to keep our properties and investments. The latest comments really do show this forum up for what it has turned into. Im really not interested in who is related to who and where they have worked before. It seems that this forum is now only left with either those that can not afford to proceed with their purchase and looking to see a way out by any means, and those that have nothing to do what so ever but for reasons of their own would rather see a negative outcome to this project. What has happened in to the light hearted banter and constructive information that used to be a refreshing part of this forum. I along with some other investor friends are looking to visit the project again in the coming days and we will reserve our judgement till then after which we intend to publish our findling on sc. where we are able to have more balanced conversation giving constructive dialog on both sides of the story.

Rae

To Toddie and those of you with genuine intent.

I agree that some folks have come on to this forum to be agressively negative which helps none of us. So this will be my last post also. But lets not lose sight of the fact that I have for example just booked my 2009 holiday in Spain in someone elses villa at my expense. I should be enjoying my home at Finca Parcs this summer and should have been for the last year or so. So whilst I disagree with the agressive stance of those folks mentioned, I personally have tried to remain balanced. This does not change the fact that I am a number of thousands of pounds down with no end in sight.

And whilst I try to stay optimistic, and was really looking forwad to someone posting to say they were in, their transaction had concluded satisfactorily and they were happy with the end result, today it is the 18th of January 2009. We enter yet another new year enough said I think.........................

I don´t quite agree with all of the comments made last but I will try to present a calm balanced view based on general dealings in Spain but there are a few things that I don´t really understand about the development

First of all providing people do not complete, until they have a Certificate of Habitation and the case regarding the query on planning consent is resolved,  they cannot be left without services. With a COH  It then becomes an obligation of the utility organisations to make these connections.

On the other development people completed before the COH was issued and it will never be issued while the properties do not have any planning permission. Legally a property is not viewed as being complete without a COH and you do not have to complete without although often builders tyr to force the completion.

There is a lot in the press about Bank Guarntees and the fact is that it is ilegal to sell a property in Spain that does not have a BG, a constructor can be fined for this offence and in some areas contracts have been cancelled. What I don´t understand is that all buyers would hvae had a lawyer whose professional obligation was to ensure that a valid BG was in place and that the contract was correct and legal.

There may be a case to bring an action against the lawyer regarding this, especially if the company folds, and you could use the Spanish complaint form system to ask for the Town Hall to investigate this, remember these documents cost the builder money to setup and they check into their finanaces. You should certainly be asking the lawyer why there is no BG especially as it is promoted i the electronic and paper copies of the sales guide and when I enquired for the investment froup I was told that they were issued for all properties

You cannot remive a BG once issued howvever they should not have an expiry date and many do, again there are lots of problems with banks refusing to payout on expired BG´s, see the thread on La Tercia Real, a development where the builder just stopped building and left people high and dry.

You have to be realistic about commercial centres as there are so many sites now where the promosed facilities have not been built or scalled down and contracts normally don´t legally include an obligation to build them, again I asked for the investment group if this claiuse could be included and the answer was no.

I don´t agree with the immediate approach of getting an Engish TV or news people involved simply because history has shown that it doesn´t achieve anything, nothing changed at Polaris when it was on Watchdog, and you are better off using the Spanish system to resolve matters.

One thing that´s not being talked about is the REAL value of the properties, based on the actual site and facilities. I would always advise getting an independant valuation, not one from the bank working with the developer, and then see te real investment opportunity. One of the biggest problems now is getting mortgages based on the original contract value verses a much lower valuation and this goid advice for any Spanish property purchase.

I hope that this information helps

All,

I have recieved a letter from my agent (after 3 months of chasing)confirming that the commercial area will commence on phase 2 and run through to phase 5 for eventual completion,when i bought my property i was told that the commercial area would be finished with ph2 which is why i purchased a villa on ph2 within close proximity to the commercial area to allow my children to utilise without going to far,i now assume that since there are no definitive dates for ph 3,4 and 5(never mind ph 1 and 2) then the odds of completing the communal areas prior to children leaving home is very slim,I bought in may 06 with completion originaly discussed as mid 07,unfortunatly it looks as though i will now have to walk away as this development without the commercial area for my 3 children to enjoy is just not a family holiday home,looks like its back to polaris??