New prices for Olagolf Courses

I have recieved some good news from olagolf this week regarding the pices for mar menor, saurines de la torre (formerly known as las terrazas) and alhama signature course. They will not be €100 per green fee as was first said. Due to the info the have recieved from people and players they have decided that €100 is to steep.

The Prices €65 for all courses in the high season (1st oct 2010 to 30th april 2011) for pubic rate i will find out the pricing for residents he did not send that through to me.

Low season €50 for all courses in the low season (1st may 2011 to 31st septemeber 2011) for public rate i will again find out pricing for residents.

However my prices will be lower than these due to the agreements i have with olagolf. 

Just thought id share some useful information with you all.

Many Thanks

Rob

How much are the PW golf resorts charging - any ideas?

Have spoken to Alfredo and he says prices will be as last winter. As Rob says it is 65e for visitors - cant remember but thought it was 50e for residents and 40e for society. He will confirm society rate later.

Also says Polaris have nothing to do with clubhouse.

Sorry Skell we now have 360 members and increasing every week with handicaps changing also. Would like to put them all on golf website but too big a task at moment.

Barry

did he have any further information as to when it would be built?

Not looking good. Bank now wants to know why do we want a clubhouse? So looks like there are no immediate plans to start anything.

Also society rates will be 40e with a buggy. Last winter no buggy included.

However, as a member that is not available to me. Every time there is a special offer members get no deals. So for me to get a buggy, I will pay 24e plus my 7e due every time I play. So I pay 31e when a visitor with the society pays 40e. After paying 1200e for membership that is NOT a good deal.

As things stand I will not renew my membership in December, thus allowing me to take advantage of these offers, no capital outlay and more flexibility to play elsewhere and look around for deals.

Barry

Barry

Is the society rate with a buggy dependent on someone else sharing the buggy with you?

What would happen if I played with a member who chose to carry their clubs. Would I still get a buggy? Or have to pay extra?

Shane

Well that's very disapointing to say the least.

A golf course without a clubhouse. Deary deary me!

This is indeed worrying news on various fronts, and hopefully commonsence will prevail and the Banks will realise there is money to be made by erecting a Clubhouse.

At the moment, if you tee off before 10.30 (ish) you cannot get a drink or food anywhere on Condadodue to the opening times of the Clover.

If /When we get a Clubhouse, the first point will be addressed and also later tee times will have a choice between Clover or Clubhouse. Golfers like to "hang around" Golf Courses and, in my opinion, will therefore prefer NOT to use the Clover.

Olagolf will see a return on investment immeadiately, although not significant, due to moving the Golf office to the Clubhouse and not paying rent tp PW. Which I guess will not be cheap.

The Golf Course is something special, albeit periferrally untidy, and Societies need to see this, it is unlikely visitors/Societies will wish to make return visits if facilities are not available "on the doorstep". I suggest many visitors would set off on thier return journey homes once sat in thier car rather than make the trip to the Clover - if it was open.

Olagolf are trying to attract visitors with thier pricing offers, yet are not able to take advantage of  thier presence without a Clubhouse.  My experience tells me that golfers will have one or two drinks and at least a snack (remember Condado is, on average, an hour's drive from most areas) before setting off home. 15 - 20 Euros average per head on parties / visitors and our own society soon mounts up, and if enjoyable they will return. By all means give cheap golf, but get money off them when they are here.

Finally, Barry, you and Graham have done a fantastic job with the society and without your dedication the society would not be what it is today (Olagolf take note). I hope your thoughts on not renewing mebership was a knee jerk reaction to new pricing structure, once you get your Yorkshire calculator out you will hpefully change your mind. However you are right in saying members do not benefit from "offers" and Olagolf should realise this somehow. GIVING US OUR CLUBHOUSE WOULD BE A START.

Bloody hell, that went on a bit, din't it?

Banks want to know why we want a clubhouse.

ARE THEY FOR REAL. CONDADO IS THE ONLY GOLF COURSE I HAVE PLAYED WITHOUT ONE.

EVEN CAMPOSOL HAS ONE, THEY NEED TO GET A REAL GRIP ON REALITY SOON OR THIS WILL HAVE A MASSIVE EFFECT

ON THE RESORT AS A WHOLE.

I am not surprised that the banks wont build a clubhouse, its not what banks do. They dont want to own a golf course, but they had no choice as Polaris used the course to clear some of their debt. Thats why they handed to course over to Olagolf, to run the course till they can find a buyer.

Even if the banks believed that the clubhouse would make a large profit, they are not developers and would have no interest in building it.

Look at all the repossessions the banks have on their books in the UK, if they spent a small amount tarting them up, they could sell them easier and get more. Yet they cant because that not want banks do.

a very good point Darren, it's just extremely disapointing considering they told us they were building one.

 It is a good point but we weren't promised a proper club house by the banks, just a temporary one which would be better than what we have now.     As Davell says,   a golf course, no matter how good, aint going anywhere without a club house.   Even as a resident, I don't  want to have to keep driving down to Al Kasar to pay,  drive back up to play,  and then go straight home after.   So to keep outside societys and me, interested they have to have some form of club house.  

Why are they saying this when Terrezza is getting  the golf course completed and a club house,  don't the banks own that too?  If so does anyone know who's  footing the bill for it?    

If the banks didn't  want to build some form of club house because it's not what they do, why were they hell bent on getting the golf course?  It's common knowledge that PW were trying to hang on to it  right to the death.  

Rob, you will probably be reading this at some pont.   Do you know what' happened to our flat pack?   Does anyone know yet what the licence application for coffee shop and golf club business is referring to? 

Does anyone have a contact email for the bank consortium?

June

 I wouldn't suggest contacting IRM directly,  the last thing they want is a load of owners ranting that them, which is what will happen if someone publishes their email address on this open forum.

If you have issues, contact your president and let them lobby IRM.  It's better to have a focused communications point than hundreds on individuals hassling them.

All my opinion of course, so feel free to moan direct if you wish.

L 

First of all, L, No disrespect to you,  but,   I don't really care what they want.  Do they care what we want?

Second,  anyone with an ounce of sense would PM the email address,  I know I would.

Third,  you don't know what I want the email address for,   believe me it will be a very focussed  email.  I have asked presidents about this, and have had nothing back apart from, they are trying to do something with the gym.  I haven't asked about the gym.  The golf course, club house, whatever is nothing to do with the community.  Why would they want more hassle trying to sort that out?

Fourth,  since when is wanting an email address to try and get some answers, having a moan?  As far as I'm concerned, only my opinion of course,  it's a positive move to try and stop the negative moans on here.

June

 June,

I'm not aiming this at you, but you are not like the majority of those that read this forum

"an ounce of sense".  looking at the past posts on the forum, that not a quality shared by the majority! 

If these email addresses were posted publicly, and given your experience of a lot of the posters on EOS, what do you think the tone of their emails be like?

Not sure what the gym has to do with this?  Ask a specific question, and I would hope you will get a response.

I've no idea what your particular  email would be like, but as I say, I'm sure the moaners on this forum would have a field day.

The administrator, presidents and golf society are all lobbing Olagolf and IRM for answers  ( which for me is the correct channels ), having individuals contacting them as well will not help.

All my opinion of course, so feel free to moan/contact direct if you wish.

L

Does anyone have any idea of how much these temporary flat pack clubhouse's cost?  Just interested to know as it would seem the banks are not interested in paying for one.

No help from the banks, no help from PW.  Olagolf are trying but obviously not cash rich and in no position to invest for the benefit of Condado.

I think it is essential that a clubhouse is built for the benefit of the whole resort.  The golf course is central to any potential growth/development on Condado.  Not having a clubhouse can only be detrimental to the resort's main asset.

Difficult to see where investment is coming from at the moment.  Just hoping something turns up.  It may be that the owner golfers on Condado eventually have to club together to invest in a temporary clubhouse just to get the resort of the ground and progressing again?  It's all a question of numbers of willing investors and cost.  Just an idea if nothing develops with external investors over the next year or so.  It's something I would be willing to consider if the numbers were sensible.  A legal minefield too, but other ideas will have to be put forward if we can't get past the brick wall that is IRM and/or PW. 

Cuz, Terrezza is getting a club house built by Polaris, because they have property to sell on that resort and know that the clubhouse will help them shift the properties.

Polaris have no properties to sell on Condado, so Polaris wont "Waste" any more of their money on us!

Banks regularly go back on their promises, I am in the banking industry!

Hi Folks,

Are we not jumping the gun a wee bit here, all the banks have done is ask a genuine question.Like Darren has said, banks are not developers so they obviously want to know the return on any investment, I know I certainly would.  Hopefully Olagolf will then construct a favourable report outlining the benifits and potential profits to be made, then if the banks say no,  do we not then start lobbying, shouting and moaning.  I for one do think a club house is essiential to the resort, and will be very disappointed if it doesn't happen. 

Ali

First of all Shane think if you can't get a partner to share your buggy you will have to pay extra (don't know how much).

Dave, whether I am a member or not I will still be organising the societies golf and reporting on it so nothing will change.

Steeley, there are just 5 golf members of Condado who are permanent residents - don't think we can fund the building of the temporary clubhouse!.

Barry