PROPOSAL TO RE-OPEN THE SPORTS AND COMMUNITY AREA ON CONDADO

and so this thread keeps on going, soon it will break out into insults and fighting on line as these always do.

Heres a suggestion.

Do nothing -  allow the area to fall into a crumpling down mess and a talking point for visitors and residents alike all bury our heads in the sand.

Theres a lot of opinions on what can't be done has anyone got any ideas of what can be done?

I guess not.

proposals on the table and take a vote or is that to easy?

We've just come back from CDA, and read with great interest the proposals and comments on this thread. We love the resort, but it still is very quiet with limited facilities.

To grow and develop, it needs more people to purchase the apartments that are still not sold. To attract them we need more open facilities. Looking at the Sports Zone, it is begining to deterioate. It needs to be open and maintained, otherwise it will become shabby and a blight to prospective purchasers. At the moment CDA hasn't enough to offer, and no choice of bars or shops other than drive down to Campasol.

At 2 Euros per month, the 2nd proposal to me looks superb. Why worry about the the purchaser making a profit ? Whoever opens the Zone won't do it for free. Lets get the resort developed, into something thats well managed and that all  can properly enjoy. More investors means properties for sale become scarcer, therefore values will rise.

If we do nothing, the resort will go backwards, and we will see little or no demand for property sales. A pat on the back for people who want to take it forwards, and give the resort some life.

I agree with onecall.

I have not got the energy or the inclination to use any of the sports courts but do feel that we need to add more attractions.

If I was looking to purchase on Condado now I would not think highly of it with The Sports Zone unusable (Yes I know you can tresspass) but If I had never been on Condado before I would not know that & with an almost empty shopping area I would not give Condado a second  thought.

Lets be realistic here. New businesses will not come onto Condado & Polaris wont rent out until the foot fall increases.

That wont happen until a hell of a lot more apartments are sold. Catch 22 I`m afraid as apartments wont sell for lack of facilitities. So  Ham & I are quite happy to give a  few euros to someone willing to give it a try.at least it wont be yet another empty space

Jan & Ham

I've done nothing but repeat myself on this thread so have deleted my posts as I dont think I've offered much worthwhile. Suffice to say I'd like the zone to be re opened not because I'd use it massively but because it has  to be an asset to the resort and it will deteriorate otherwise. I'm not keen on the CC being used to shore up private ventures who take a wage and also profit if they should sell the zone leaving us to the mercy of new purchasers. I think restricted opening of the cafe (10am-8pm or less- with even greater restrictions seasonally) would prevent too much competition with The Clover even if it also hosted some regular functions with slightly later openings.

However, I hope the community can look at buying the zone as I think the deal on the table is likely to be better than last year and so may just make it possible. In this way the resort supports itself but I agree that this may put us in danger of falling into great debt with little way of climbing out without a massive bailout through the Community Charge. We must resolve the parking at the sports zone though as part of any new arrangement- its grossly unfair to owners either side of the sports zone to loose their parking  if the zone is open to the local area.

Hasta la vista.

That's a very good idea - open until 8pm.  That way it will not affect the Clover much and the residents on the gardens closest to it will not have to deal with noise etc after this time.  I wasn't knocking the idea of someone opening it - merely expressing my thoughts on individuals supporting someone else's private venture.  I'd glady wander down and spend a few euros on a wine and some tapas during the day - and I genuinely think most folk would.  I don't even think that a kitchen is necessary - a cool shelf for the various tapas (which can all be bought in catering tubs) is all you need. Personally, I would prefer to pay a few euros per month to have a couple of heated Jardines pools for use throughout the year.  Arlene.

I dont think a lot of people have grasped what Condado is yet!

It is an urbanization which is owned by the people who have bought properties on it and it is up to them to do something about its present condition.. If we all just sit on our arses and moan and groan as Brits do then nothing will develop and nothing will happen except that the resort will suffer!

Polaris this Polaris that!! SO WHAT!! We need to get a grip of OUR RESORT AND URBANIZATION and get it up to 5 star! If we wait for Polaris then Hell will already have frozen over!

Forget about Polaris and what they should have done or should do or should repair, lets just do it ourselves and show prospective buyers that IT IS worth buying on Condado..

RANT OVER

 Opening the sports area is a great idea, I welcome the prospect.  However don't ask me to fund it in any shape or form.  If someone wishes to invest in this proposition great, let them dig into their pockets and produce the finance to fund their venture.  Once this is done they can set out their stall and introduce charges, membership fees etc to finance their operating costs and hopefully give then a well earned profit in return.  That is how businesses operate, simples!   I would frequent the cafe/bar area, although I would have no use for the sports area.  I appreciate the privilege of being allowed to decide where, when and how I spend my hard earned cash.  I have been in the hospitality industry for 25 years or so, for the life of me I cannot see this being a viable venture in the current climate.  I would not use your money to finance this scheme let alone my own, although it would seem that if you are daft enough there are people out there who are only too happy to relieve you of your cash.  If you decide to invest your money in this venture the least you can do is insist that you are a shareholder in the business, should you wish to sell up at Condado and relocate the purchaser of your property would also have the oportunity to purchase your shareholding in the sports centre.  Anyway, enough said on this subject, in my opinion it is a non starter.  If you have excess energies to expend may I suggest that they would be better spent putting pressure on the main presidents to encourage Olagolf to build a clubhouse at their expense for all to share, that is if we decide we wish to.  Sorry Duncan, Peter and Theo, your business plan stinks!

It appears to me that there is one fundermental flaw in all of this discussion regarding the Sport area/ bar.

Condado is multi national. I do not know the % mix but there are certainly a high prortion of Spanish owners.

Everyone on this thread is  discussing proposals to increase and use CC on the Sports area, on a site I suspect not frequented by many / if any  Spanish owners, on a proposal which requires everyones buy in.

When the surgery was open, I rarely saw any Spanish owners in there, a few used the paddle ball, but I suspect even these were non owners.

Although I would like to see more facilities on Condado, unless someone is getting the other non brit owners buy in,  in my opinion this is a total non-starter.

Should one of these venture manage to go ahead I would put money on PW closing the Clover, It can't be profitable the way they run it, and opening the Sports bar would, I suspect, immediately release them from their legal obligation to provide basic facilities. (Same observation if Olagolf open a bar in a club house for that matter). So if the venture then fails we would be left with even fewer facilities than now.

So for me there are far more questions than answers at this moment in time.

might as well do nothing then.

2 years from now the buildings will be a mess - watch that space.

Then we can all moan and blame government, Polaris World, the Presidents or even luck.

QUALITY

no club house as the clover will shut down - fear to loose what we have got when its not that great (supermarket and an expensive plastic irish bar in a desrted square), should not hold back the developement of the resort.

Prey that Paramount deliver or this will always be a white elephant.

One very basic fact keeps coming back to me.

Polaris are off sight, and ain't interested in what they have built. Therefore if we, the owners don't get our fingers out and maintain and develop what they have left, the resort will die. I walked around the place last week, and my wife and i still love and believe in it.

However, the whole place has not wintered well and is begining to look unkempt and shabby, i.e numerous damp patchs, exterior tiles coming off walls and steps, the football pitches covered in 1 foot high weeds. Not all big problems at the moment, but if left these issues will grow and multiply. Its up to every property owner to make sure that his property is maintained. We know the build quality is not good, but we have made the investments, and now need to protect those investments. Forget blaming Polaris, that won't repair your property.

This is our estate and these are our problems. Polaris aren't around, look after it ourselves. Good luck to the people brave enough to invest in the Sports Zone. They want to make the differance. To me its obvious. Now is the time to get behind and support the Presidents and those who want to develop the place.

well said onecall

even if it costs a few quid

Polaris will not abandon the resort whilst Parador are around the corner. and if they do it aint that bad.

time for some one to act.

I agree that something ought to be done here.  At the very least these proposals have got people talking and thinking.  It would be a shame to let this fade in to nothing, whether that means one of the propoals going foward or something else with the community/presidents being more involved.  Somewhere in all of this there has to be a solution that get the facilities back in use and where everyone gets a benefit?

We'll only be there a few times a year for now but if a few extra euros (each month or paying as you use) improves the resort , my view is that this can only be a good thing; provided there is a benefit for the resort/community and not just the people who end up running the facitities - although they need to get a return if they are investing their time, effort and money .  I'd like to think that as our kids get older we'll be at CDA more often using (one of...)  the golf course(s) and the sporting facilities (and one of the many resaurants/shops in Al Katraz!).  One thing that everyone seems to agree on is that it is a great resort and has masses of potential.  Lets be positive.

And finally...is there any reason why the gardeners who look after the rest of the resort couldn't cut the grass on the football pitches?

David

 In response tyo David & Ellie Polaris World own the football pitches however our Gardeners have cleaned up and cut the grass on one of them so the owners can get some use.

 The Spanish use the tennis courts and the paddle courts much more than any other nationality.I am sure they dont want to see these facilities deteriorate either and of course having somewhere to get a drink afterwards shoudl appeal to them as well. Paying just 2 euros with the possibility this could in effect be refunded if the venture is successful will hopefully appeal to them. My missus is spanish and has volunterred to  give up some of her time for free to interpret  to any of the spanish presidents should a proposal or meeting eventually get called if requested.

There is quite alot of buying interest on the resort at these prices but if we let the facilities slip away without doing anything about it we will see the buyers quickly disappear and the sellers happy to get out. Something must we done to protect our assets.So well done to anyone  who is interested in getting involved as long as its a benefit to the community and easily affordable.

There is hope!!!!!

Darren hows your glass - half full or half empty?

Fozzer, Think I need a smaller glass, coz mine is still half empty.

I will never use the sports zone, so think you should have to pay to play, dont agree that the whole comunity should subsidise the few people who want to play tennis for free.

One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is the price of the Sports Zone - 1.8 Million Euros, is the figure I heard!

I am currently building a house, so I have some idea of how much things cost to construct and I feel that 1.8 Mil for a bankrupt sports zone, in a quiet urbanization is a little bit too much to pay. The banks need to be more realistic if they really want to sell this.

Ultimately, if any proposal needs 100% approval to obtain community money, I dont think they will get it.

Think I got this now. It,s between

Pay 2 euros or 10 euros or do nothing

Nothing means disrepair an eye sore and less facilities and less desirable properties dont like that one.

Love the arguements for it , - dont use dont care!! Can still sneak through the fence(how long will the courts last?)

will polaris close everything.. lol POLARIS so some still trust them, they will do what ever they want whenever they want and have proved it time and time again. sports - clubhouse - resuarant- building quality do I need to say more. On other resorts they have a Clover - hotel Bars - numerous resuarants all open together.

10 euros

we pay for a building and commit to 5 years for someone to own at the end and sell, we also pay all the setup cost. They could then sell when paramount comes make a huge profit and risk nothing, another down side is that they do not have to make the facilities work as they will have enough money from us to pay all their bills and commitments,

Up side - at least we should have some facilities and they are trying to do something. they will also be able to guarrentee the facilities for 5 years( but to what standard)

2 Euros

This one intends to rent the facilities from the bank.

Up side - Gets the sports zone open and maintained. Reduced cost to the community. they have to make a success of the cafe/bar and facilities as they will be risking their own money in the venture.

Down side - the bank could sell after rental lease or possibley during( at least new owner should keep it open)

Many people have expressed an opion that they would not wish to pay anyoneone to have this open and it needs to be a stand alone business.

The fact is that the amounts the bank are requesting mean that at present and definatley not for 5 years and paramount comes this cannot be a stand alone business. so its pay or have nothing. If you use it you would hopefully recoupe 2 euros on reduced prices(compared to clover in one round of drinks) and 10 euros in a night.

If you do not use it, it will make you property more rentable( biggest complaint from renters is lack of facilities.)

If you do not use or rent at least the complex you property is on will have better facilities and make it better value.

Golfers will also have somewhere to go before and after unlike when the bar did not open to 5 in the evening in the winter(what a Joke)

So lets support someone or get the presidents motivated but please lets not do nothing that is the most dangerous option of them all  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Do nothing!  Let Polaris worry about their property going into disrepair.  The complex we are talking about is far too small and insignificant to make any real impact on the resort and associated rentals.  Don't entrap unwilling residents into additional debts they may not be in the position to afford for a project that to any fair minded person is a  non-starter.  Should Paramount come to fruition I'm sure that the facilities will take care of themselves.  

I thought it was clear that Paramount would build?

 del. i  bet you are the first to complain we dont have enough facilities!  well please done mention those words in my ears please. good people here are trying to improve our resort and give something back .