PROPOSAL TO RE-OPEN THE SPORTS AND COMMUNITY AREA ON CONDADO

As I've said I emailed my support to ML and got the following response:

Thanks, we register your support for the proposal.

 Regards.

 Ana Belén Jiménez González

Would be great to see facilities up and running again but would prefer private enterprise to do this.Would have no interest to me when I visit 4 or five times a year so wouldn't be happy to pay more community fees to make this happen.Non golfers don't contribute to upkeep of golf course and Sportszone should be the same.Great if you are happy to pay to use but no value if you would not use facilities.

It's for the benefit of the resort that this happens.

Like I have prevously said this plan needs tinkering with but it's a start

As the original post requested that we contact M-L to register our support for this proposal, should we do the same if we wish to register our disapproval? Otherwise, I don't quite get this - it's not a very fair system of deciding its popularity if you can only register your opinion in favour of it, is it? It also seems a pretty strange way of going about things, I'm sure there are many owners who don't come on here or other forums and who therefore know absolutely nothing about this proposal to hike up their community charge.

So I sent an e-mail to ML on the link provided in the orginal post, asking them how the decision on whether or not to accept and adopt the proposal will be made (i.e., will it be based on the number of positive responses?) and who will make the decision (The Presidents, M-L, the Owners by way of a vote?).

I just got a reply acknowledging my e-mail, but failing to answer any of these legitimate questions. They just told me to put these questions directly to the person I first heard the proposal from. So since that was on here in this thread, can the original poster answer these questions, as suggested by M-L?  

- How will the decision be made on whether or not the proposal will be adpoted?

- Who will make that decision?

- What attempts are being made to inform all owners of this proposal before a decision is made?

- Will there be a way to register your disapproval, as well as approval for the proposal?

Many thanks in advance for your response which I hope will clarify things for all of us.

I’m all for seeing improvements to facilities and increasing the choice of establishments on the resort but not sure this is the way to go about it. I don’t see how  a community run business would ever get off the ground given the limited number of permanent residents. Seems unlikely that those who do not visit very often and/or would not use the Sportzone would be keen on contributing more community fees.

Surely if the necessary research is undertaken / business plan etc and the numbers stack up that there is some company that would be interested in taking over the lease and running this as a going concern.

I would in all likelihood use the tennis courts but as an infrequent visitor. I would rather pay on a case by case basis for what I use rather than through increased  community fees. With an open membership scheme, there are no guarantees that I could turn up and the facilities would be available unless there is someone managing bookings/ensuring fair usage etc. These are always the sort of issues that are better handled by a 3^rd party, profit driven business who could avoid any conflict and arguments between owners/renters.

Primarily it would be great to see a café bar/coffee shop open up there to provide competition to the Clover and offer more choice during the day. I think this element would be more attractive to the owners and occasional visitors rather than the sports facilities. If it is run properly and prices are competitive, I think this could be a success during peak times. Whether it could survive 12 months of the year is the bigger question.

From what I have been reading leasing or renting the sports zone means that Polaris World can use their option to buy it all back. They come in once its up and running get rid of everything tar it all Polaris and charge inflated prices and all the good work is undone. Buying is the only option to keep Polaris out, especially once Paramount is a reality. But there are no takers and its priced at  over 1.5 million euro's before set up of facilities- there's a lot of financial constraint in Murcia at the moment so it wont be seen as viable or worth taking a punt at for the reasons stated in Waddles post- can it make a profit before Paramount comes?

So this suggestion is worrth consideration as I have just been told the Community can't buy as they cant put themselves in a position of potential debt. 100% owner committment is needed to raise the funds.

At first I was jumping for Joy.

Our apartment looks over the courts & I do miss my stroll across the road for a cappuchino & doughnut,bt we were on Condado once last year & though we were out late feb & will be returning in June I`m not sure that I would want to pay 126 e or there about.

for what would be a total of 4 weeks a year

We are looking to rent our apartment again later in the year so having the added facilities would be Ideal. Then I think I would say yes to paying but not now i`m afraid

I am concerned about " the hiring of a proffesional to run things" I was under the opinion that the Clover was run by "proffesionals" but I did read quite a lot of negative threads last year. So who determins what the word proffesional means.

Looking @ the project through financial eyes I think it would be a waste of money to plo such a large sum of money on an area that may have very little use except during holiday times.

Looking at it as some one who enjoys her time on Condado I believe it  should be open,but who is going to gamble a large amount onsome thing that may not prove viable for  most of the year. I`m in the middle @ the moment. Cant make my mind up Yes or No

When I was starting my business quite a long time ago mybank manager tried to persuade me not to go ahead as the building was not proven. On this  basis I and others argued that we should be given 12 months rent freeto see if we could survive. We all had set up costs & the cost of buying our stock but at least we didnt have rent to find.

If there is some one desperate to have our views about it re opening would it not be a posibility that the community could negotiate something similar.

I wonder what happend to all of the furniture after PW removed it. Is it in storage for the future. if it is maybe a rental fee would prove a better option with a view to buy,minus discount re rent at a later date

Jan

Hi Mirador Heights, sounds like you're going the right way about it, many thanks for the clarification.

Just one further question though, if it will be fully and properly discussed and voted for at the AGM, what is the purpose of encouraging people to e-mail their support for the proposal to M-L?

A change to the costs imposed on owners and the changes this would make to the operation of the Community would surely require under the Statutes 100% positive vote at the AGM rather than just a majority vote? Witch I can’t see happening.

Phil

Hi Cappielow

Basically I would love to see the sports zone open.

1.8 million for the sports zone seems very expensive and with the amount of visitors to the urbanization I cannot see the place making enough to cover the loan repayments, yet alone the insurance and wage bill.

Could some land not be bought outside the parimeter, and a prefab constructed. I bet you could get the land and a decent structure for a fraction of that cost, then maybe do free mini bus transfers for those who dont wish to walk.

I have watched this thread with interest. As far as I can see what is really required is a decent bar/restaurant/takeaway at the sports area, as all the other facilities appear to be open and in use. I was there two weeks ago and played squash albeit without lights which did not matter. The paddle courts were in use and I believe acces to the tennis courts was available.

Perhaps this is not the right way to use the area (free of charge) but it would be good for the people from Jardines 1 upwards to have a bar nearer than the Clover. Prices for food and drinks need to be realistic and I am sure it would succedd. Perhaps Milennium should run it.  There are 3 squash courts hardly used. Could two be converted into a gym?

And then Naranjos 8 downwards would ask for the same facility at the other end (just playing devils advocate)

Phil

For brief while there was a gym in the room behind the cafe. It actually housed a small supermarket before Al Kasar opened.

There isnt a way just for ML or anyone to just run the facilities because it is all owned by the Banks and renting from the Banks doesnt appear to be an option unless its by an independent who doesnt use the Community Charge to do it- or at least thats what I'm getting from this thread. Plus it could be that PW could step back in if there's just a rental arrangement. Whether PW have any intention of coming anywhere near CdA again is a moot point but buying seems to be the only way forward. How to do that when none of us seem to have the odd 1.8 mill euro's lying around is the question.