PROPOSAL TO RE-OPEN THE SPORTS AND COMMUNITY AREA ON CONDADO

no schooling  i am a gipsy  sorry about that but you got the idea

Yep no worries Paddy I got the idea ok!

Hi,

I think the sportzone should be owned solely by the community and all profits go back into the community for our  benefit. I also think it is only fair that the people who use it pay for it and the comments made by Lisinopril   way back on the 6/4/11 are totally correct and they are as follows;- 

Why we the community want to pay a private company over €1.9M over a 5 year period to buy and run the facility for their own profit? Oh, plus €10 per property Membership, so that's 30k towards the startup costs covered!  If someone wants to buy it, then why expect us to pay for it!    For that price the community could buy it ourselves?

IF the community were to increase the fees, then it should only be if the community is taking on the facility ( as was suggested last year ) then any profits could be used to offset the costs and hopefully make it self sufficient in coming years.

Just my thoughts

Ali

I like the fact the thread is still running it shows an intrest ( I cant spell either)

Do not understand the negativity though the 2 euros option I believe is rental so the community could or should not be able to get in debt and the investors would loss out if the zone did not prosper not us.

10 euros a commitment and yes we might suffer as a community if it did not cover their costs but at 10 euros plus membership how could they poss fail thats 10 times 3000 per month. with 30000 euros a month coming in anyone could pay the bill they would not even have to open the cafe/bar and would still make money.

But lets wake up I dont no if the community can rent it and who would manage it!!! but its an option that the presidents should look into and report at AGM.

What I do know is again doing nothing to me is not an option we will end up with an eyesore that will fall into ruin and if anyone thing that the facilities will maintain themselve they are being a little naive.

10 euros is a bit eccessive but if that was the only option I would pat begrudingly but its still better than nothing.

2 Euros and not long term commitment from the Community seems better but lets get details and see if its viable.

BUT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOTHING SHOULD NOT BE A OPTION. and all the negative comments must stop we need to move forward. If some works hard and make a profit but my facilities are improved then good for them its win win( again sorry for the spelling)

It's a great thread........... it seems that most of those who want to use it are happy to pay for it and all those that won't use don't want to pay. I guess similar to the club house suggestion.

Keep it simple pay to play as the golf. Or, if you want your own business start one but leave the community out of it. The unknown liabilities past and future, taxes could go on for years............ and I'm guessing you don't even know what the liabilities and are (or have any idea what bad debts are outstanding) yet and some are still happy to go ahead. You're welcome to commit to want you want to personally, but do not commit the community. 

 Gawn yursel Daniels, you've hit the nail square on the head.  If you want it, pay for it, and leave the rest of us out of it.  There are so many unknowns in this venture yet so many people are queuing up like lemmings towards the cilffs edge.  Jump yursel if you wish, but leave me out of it.  If you think it's a great investment go for it, I truly wish you all the success in the world and hope you make a great profit, although, not at my expense.

Difficult to fathom some people who are so tight and narrow minded that they cant see the wood for the trees!! If we all do NOTHING then the place will fall into disrepair, there will be no further sales, no repairs and YOUR INVESTMENTS will become worthless almost.. The negative do nowt brigade make me sick! 2 EUROS FFS!!!!!

 Difficult to fathom how the restoration of this small area is going to have purchasers rush to Condado in their droves to buy up all outstanding stock, particularly when they realise they shall be hit with an additional levy of 30e plus a 10e per month increase in what is already an over inflated community charge.  I am not saying do nothing, I am saying don't charge ahead like headless chickens committing the whole community to an ill thought out project which we will regret for many years to come.  Not a question of being tight or narrow minded more a case of being prudent and concerned for the community as a whole.  Too many saying lets go for it, it is almost panic.  All I have been saying is let the senior presidents enquire, negotiate and put forward a better thought through alternative.  Only an opinion.

This message was last edited by del007 on 26/04/2011.

 I think the 30 euros start up and the 10 euros per month proposal has long since been forgotton on this thread and that is not the one that people are supporting yet it keeps getting brought up......!!   it is the 2 euros per month that people are in support of

If that is not acceptable to some then maybe it just needs tinkering with and do it on a membership basis, those who want to join pay the 2 euros per month, those who don't but occasionally might use the facility then they pay an entrance fee say 1 or 2 euros per person each visit????

As many people have said doing nothing is not an option

This message was last edited by smivs on 26/04/2011.

Difficult to fathom some people who are so tight and narrow minded that they cant see the wood for the trees!! If we all do NOTHING then the place will fall into disrepair, there will be no further sales, no repairs and YOUR INVESTMENTS will become worthless almost.. The negative do nowt brigade make me sick! 2 EUROS FFS!!!!!

Chaddyowl - read your own post - narrow minded, woods for the trees!

We can all have differing opinions without being aggressive and rude.

Hi Smivs

We are in favour of the 2 euros, afterall it wont break the bank.

Naturally we will want a lot of questions answered beforehand but if the answeres all meet our expectations then they have our vote. As I have said before, I doubt if we will use the sports area but I am all for enterprising people having a go.

Best of luck to them. 

Daniels

I agree with your sentiments

If we all do NOTHING then the place will fall into disrepair, there will be no further sales, no repairs and YOUR INVESTMENTS will become worthless almost..

Jan & Ham

www.luxuryletmurcia.co.uk

 Good constructive point from Smivs!  Those who wish to participate pay their 2 Euros per month, those occasional users pay per play at a slightly higher rate than 2 Euros.  This way the members get the benefit of lower rate and the part time user pays slightly more.  Seems fair to me.

 I can see the responses to Smivs point now! " Why should them who paid 2 euros a month get it cheaper than us" LMFAO Daniels will be 1st on this bandwagon along wiv Paddy! Watch this space!

There's obviously a lot riding on whether Paramount actually gets built,  but I can now see Polaris back on the resort before too long, I'd expect this to be in modest way and maybe not delivering the resort as per the original plans certainly in the short term. Planning permission has expired by now and that gives them opportunity to manouvre. But, I think they would take back the sports zone themselves once Paramount begins its build.

Apparently there were up to 2,000 people on the resort over the Easter weekend and I sure those sorts of figures wont have passed Polaris by. They may, for the most part, have washed their hands of CdA in the last two years but even they will see the potential if those figures are even close to accurate and are not even the high rental season. Afterall their arrangement with the Banks has given them several years of no mortgage payments and enabled them to stabilise- no matter that their reponse to getting repairs done is that they have 'no money' (which wasnt what they said in a recent  A Place in the Sun report) If Polaris dont take it back I'd think the Banks will put in a management company as they have with the golf course- thats maybe why they have priced it so high as to make it almost impossible for an outside venture to take it over.

I also begin to think the 10 euro option may have been a red herring designed to make the 2 euro per month option far more attractive to us all. At 10 euro's a month its overkill and the sports zone would be totally paid for in the 5 years that the community was tied into an agreement and to be honest they wouldnt need 100% of owners to agree as they would have excess money in the pot, without any personal outlay- even with insurances, utilities and wages covered.  So if PW or the Banks dont step up to the mark I'd prefer our Community to try to make the purchase and at least it would be an owned asset for the resort and can be run as the resort wants. In the total planning though I dont see the cafe being able to be open in anything other than a restricted or seasonal way- I believe The Clover can be empty for a majority of the time and that needs to improve before a cafe opens full time as well.

DEL1007 ARE YOU FROM GLASGOW...GAWN YURSEL...JUST WONDERING???????....STEVIE FROM GLASGOW...

Just a thought, the 2euro a month  sounds a good propersition for Condado owners and for small change its got to be worth it to get the ball rolling for the good of the community, But does anyone remember when the bar was open previously ? Some people moaning that it was bland hence the nickname "The Surgery" etc . The Clover opened  with great anticipation and was soon gaining rave reviews, but before too long the moaners started complaining about this and that, similar thing with the restaurant. We seem to have more than our fair share of Victor Meldrews amongs us , who want everything  then just seem to knock it. for this reason i can't see anything getting off the ground unless totally privately funded, and even then the Victors will have something to say.

By the way,  Condado for us just seems to get better and better with every visit, had  a wonderful night in the Clover last night with great company, everyone we chat to seems to love the place,which begs the question where are the Victors ? My guess is moaping about elsewhere looking for something to complain about, an old British tradition i'm afraid

I'm in agreement with you there Beau's though probably am a culprit myself as I'm keen for the right thing to be done. However, I like CdA very much and see it has bags of potential. I'm hearing great reviews of the last week or so and hopefully this increase in use and owners is just the start of a great revival for the resort. We are afterall a young resort and with a big blip like the recession it was always going to take a long time for things to come together.

I hope one way or another someone can come up with a viable proposition for the sports zone that we can get close to 100% of owner on board with- if only to prevent it from going to rack and ruin until the tide turns for us.

'The Surgery' lacked atmosphere unfortunately and service was poor, The Clover suffers from much the same problems unless they have an event on and neither were p[riced very well. The restaurant priced itself out of business! PW are clearly uninterested at the moment, if there advertising technique and business plan  is anything to go by- the restaurant is open for a few days and then closed again? But potential is there and with more owners, residents and visitors we can hopefully move forward. If 10 euro's isnt considered to much for an increase in the community charge maybe part of that 10 euro's could go towards the sports zone and part into the coffers to provide more shrubs or to heat some of the pools.

People seem to be coming round to the fact that the zone needs to be opened and maintained. A alternative to the clover also is needed especially for families. A childrens area would be good.

If we are unwilling to support any private investor then we need to look at it as a community, I always worry a manged house is never run as well as a privatley owned one( look at the old surgery!!!! and the clover)

love the pools heated but it would be all or nothing imagine heating 3 pools the the whole community would be in the gardens with heated pools and i'm sure the victor meldrews on them gardens would be up in arms.

We have an AGM soon lets force the presidents especially the new enthusiastic ones to look into improving the resort rather than just trying to keep in at the same level. altering lighting has saved a fortune with no bad effects.

SO lets all at least agree to look into the proposals community owned / 2 euros or 10 euros and lets see concret proposals and fact and figures because I cannot understand some comments when they have no idea of the facts.

on a parting note I love condado but would love it even more with more facilities have family with children coming over in August and am worried they will be a little put of with the lack of facilities.

PS 2 euros is a small beer in the clover

Hi glesgasteve,

  I cannot possibly tell you of my place of birth or indeed where I am currently domiciled.  In my experience this is how it all starts, next you will want to know my address, come to the pub with me, run aboot wae me, and be in my gang.  This will lead to you having an affair with my wife and I shall not be responsible for my actions and end up in the Bar L on a lifer.  Sorry glegasteve, but thank you for your interest.

I see The Quiet Man can't actually stay quiet - funny since he said he was off to pastures new (I thnk that's twice now) .... some habits hard to break ? Anyway, for my 2 euros worth - it's great to see someone get off their backside and make a proposal that tries to improve Condado. The negative comments are unreal , you'd actually think some people that actually own property here want to see the whole thing go down the plug hole. As for me, I'd rather pay more to ensure the place is properly maintained with the right facilities. It is already evident that many properties need painted and the some of the rendering repaired and the community needs to build a budget to do that as well as repair the garden lights that get kicked over, and just generally keep the place looking right. Penny pinching will ruin the place.