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Perhaps we should issue "OWNERS" with a key that will open the Spa facilities during the summer months?

Those people who are "renting" properties could have the use of the outdoor pool only, thereby, limiting the amount of people using the indoor facilities.

Should "OWNERS" allow the use of the "private" key to people renting their apartments, then extra revenue could be raised by giving "renters" the option of purchasing a "limited use/time" access pass.

Sorry if this is as clear as mud, but I feel the whole issue is, just that!!

Don't want to deny anyone access to the facilities, just think we need to limit the times for 1) Renters, 2) Families/Children, so that everyone gets a fair crack at the whip!

I am wearing my tin-hat in readiness of the bullets that will be coming my way!!!

One of my main issues remains as to the lack of ownership and care of the facilities and of the complex in general of Rental holidaymakers. We all know that there is a catagory of holiday maker that will not respect that others live on the site and wear and tear and damage will increase. I do not see why We should pay to subsides holday rentals through increased maintenance fees. Owners of rentals should take responcibility for their properties and short term rents. This is somthing I will bring to the community meeting. Please, we all need to support those that have bought to live here.

Justin recently sent a message to members asking for suggestions for his next interview.  I suggested community meetings and issues - perhaps I should also put the suggestion to cover the specific topic of rentals, owners, shared facilities as this must have arisen on other developments.

Also, Maria de Castro, as EoS guru lawyer might be able to help?

I agree with Franalonso.

I bought on this development because it was a "spa resort" & I do not see why my investment & potential income should be jeopardised by the introduction of punitive sanctions.

Why is the emphasis being given to those who live on the development & those that don't want to rent out? I bought this apartment for my own use & as an investment & it seems that according to a few, I should not be given as much priority of opinion as other owners.

I appreciate that people loose their inhibitions on holiday but what assurances do I have that the resident owners & the non renters will behave any better than my rental clients.

I agree we need a code of conduct & rules but this should not include restricting access to facilities for anybody.

Noreen

on the other hand, maybe people who take up permanent residence should pay more community fees, than those who will be renting, and using only occasionaly. Lets be honest how many weeks can we realistically expect to rent out. Certainly not 52 weeks of the year. So one could argue that most wear and tear will be caused by those that are living there by virtue of the fact that they are in residence more than the afore mentioned renter! 

Just a thought. Like to put the cat amongst the pigeons. My life is sad, and this is entertainment. I await the verbal onslaught. ( but please dont get too insulting as I am very thin skinned!)

G9Lou

A valid point. I bet that idea won't go down too well!!

Noreen

With over 500 properties on the development, how exactly how do you propose to identify who is an owner, resident owner or renter?

Are we going to have to endure a "police state" environment where everybody has to carry proof of their "staus" to produce when challenged? Or maybe we get a coloured wristband to wear!!

How exactly are you going to identify who should reinstate, compensate, replace? Assuming that the perpetrators have a modicum of intelligence, I am sure that they won't be walking around waving a flag saying "I did it". How do you know that the midnight kickers were renters - or is that just an assumption?

I agree that anti social behaviour may happen but given the size of the development & the obviously narrow minded attitudes of some, I am sure that even the owners & resident owners will not please all of the people all of the time.

Noreen

I found out when I was there last that the midnight kickers are probably residents, though not necessarily at the apartment they stayed at ( near Gareths) as they were seen bringing kettles, toasters etc.. They may have been renting prior to completion.

I agree with Noreen though, with such a large complex . There is no way on God's Earth of controlling all incidents. After all most people are there to enjoy themselves I would have thought diplomacy is more important in many instances.

Those who are in residence will no doubt see much of what goes on, just as you probably do at your own home in the UK.

You probably dont tackle every person in the street who happens to drop the cigarette butt or plays their car radio too loud as they pass you by. You may think it is annoying, but you live and let live.

I am sure that nobody is deliberately going to cause damage to any equipment. It is more likely an accident could happen (like a weight being dropped on the floor because it was too heavy) causing a tile to crack. I am sure that there is enough in the budget to replace and repair things as we go on. 

I would imagine there will be plenty of responsible owners around to control anything which could be seen as dangerous, especially where young children are involved.

I do think that young children should be only allowed in the indoor pool area if they are accompanied by a parent or guardian.

I do agree though we were told when we bought it that it would be an all year round pool, gym and spa. This is different than Resort and Hills. This is one of the reasons for buying. I would be very disappointed if it was not.

Leeandnicola

Thanks for your reasoned response.

I am supportive of agreeing suitable rules & regulations through the democratic process of the community meetings but I do think that whilst we have to be aware of potential issues, we do not need to "borrow trouble". We need to achieve a good balance so that all of us who have all paid a lot of money for our properties, get to enjoy them to their fullest extent.

I think the key word in your post was DIPLOMACY.

Noreen

Whilst "diplomacy" is needed, I also feel that the word "BALANCE" should be considered. Let us not lose sight of the reasons we all purchased on Thalassa.

Some may have purchased with the sole intention of capitalising on their investments, and making a "quick-buck" regardless of the outcome on the "long-term" investor. Others may have purchased in order that they can enjoy holidays within their own apartments, safe within the knowledge that they know what they are "coming" to! And there are those who purchased their properties so that they could reside "fulll-time" on the development.

All of this considered, we have to reach an equable balance in order that Thalassa is all things to all people. This may prove a bone of contention to some, whilst others may be happy to sit on the fence and watch the situation develop!

Whilst Seasun seem comfortable to allow things to develop at their own pace without their intervention, this does not sort things out.

There are too many unanswered questions, too many grey areas, and too many things left to chance. What part of the budget should all of these things be found under?

Questions need to be answered BEFORE the proposed community meeting.,else we may find ourselves involved in a "bun fight" without a referee.

Yours "The Rambler"

Lorraine Braid.12-3-07.

Lorraine

I think I also used the word balance in my previous post & I agree that there will be areas where decisions made do not please everyone.

We all have different reasons for purchasing but I don't believe that any one reason should have any greater relevance to solutions being put in place. I would certainly feel discriminated against if I or my guests were prevented from using any of the facilities that I have bought into.

As an extreme counter measure, would you as a resident be happy if it was deemed that you could not use the facilities for certain weeks of the year so that your use of the facilities matches mine? I would suggest not. (Please be assured that I am not having a go at anyone, just using this as an example)

I agree that Seasun need to get their act together & get this community meeting sorted out & maybe the solution there is for all owners to send an email to them insisting that the meeting is held within a realistic timescale & with sufficient notice, so that those who are not resident can either make arrangements to attend or we can arrange the UK meeting that was talked about a few months ago, so that proxy votes can be put in place.

I am happy to discuss & debate democratically to achieve the desired balance but over recent weeks, it feels that some people are dictating to others on what should be put in place & I am definitely not happy with that approach.

Noreen

I have never wanted to give the impression that i wanted to "ban" holidaymakers/renters from Thalassa, likewise children or dog-owners. I merely was offering  a suggestion to be discussed on the forum.

Sometimes when you are backed against a wall, you come out fighting! God knows, over the past few weeks I have found myself in that situation too many times that I care to be reminded of!!!

However, in the circumstances that have recently arisen, EVERY aspect needs to be explored in order that we attempt to resolve situations which, in the past, have seemed untenable. Be it Dogs, Children or Satellite Dishes (to name a few), without discussion and debate, none of these problems are likely to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

Let us not forget, that ALL residents (full/part-time/renters/holidaymakers and those who do not wish to be categorised), have a responsibility to not only  ourselves, but to others within the community. And whilst we may not agree with each other and our actions (mine included), we should attempt to be respectful and understanding of all our circumstances. Only then can we begin to develop a rapport.

Regards,

Lorraine Braid.

When all these proposed rules are in force what will happen if I, as an owner, or anyone else, breaks one of these rules . Will I have to go and see the prison warden or will I just be put under house arrest.

As an example, if all the residents in my block wish to have a sat dish and we all agree - what as it got to do with anyone else, I did not ask my neighbours in the UK if I could erect a dish. With regard to children only using the pool at certain times are we going to say that dog owners can only walk their dogs at certain times. I think that most people seem to be getting out of their pram abit - I know there has got to be a few rules but god let us all breath.

Ken

I would advise you not to get personal it is not necessary.

I also look forward to meeting you at the meeting.