Mar Menor Area

Please see the following post that I put on te forum earlier this week

Apologies if I have openned up a can of worms here however in my business we do our best to avoid these type of issues

Normally on resorts that have multiple pools line Polaris owners are entitled to use any pool and the percentage paid is all pools

There is a much larger issue here regarding the law and fences as currently none of the pools at RODA are fenced  and for safety and Spanish Law specifically requires that  swimming pool safety for public pools shared by 20 or more families has to be fenced

All of the pools as Polaris are fenced and RODA is the only resort that I know where they are not

RODA may therefore argue that by, making each pool specifically for use by a certain group of properties, that the law does not apply

I believe that the isue of pool safety should be raised with RODA and at the AGM

The lack of fences really worries me

Hello everyone

we have recently stayed at la finca, near algorfa, costa blanca, theire community pools did not have any fencing around them, however they had life saving rings hanging on notice boards which laid out restrictions on what was allowed and what was not.

dave

I was very concerned to read the posting from Mr Howitt and consequently contacted the administrators who have confirmed that laws regarding swimming pool safety vary throughout Spain from region to region. The administrators have also confirmed that all of the Roda pools are fully compliant with the necessary health and safety regulations for Murcia although it is anticipated that the laws will change in the coming two years but for now the pools are fully compliant. The pools in Roda are all considered to be private pools and as such they meet all of the necessary safety legislation in the region. This was very reassuring to discover and reinforces the benefit of having experienced administrators at our disposal for accurate information which can allay fears, worry and annoyance to other owners on the development.   

Thank  you for this information however that aside the fact is that the pools are not fenced and therefore, not safe especially for younger children and indeed others. If Roda will not  fence them then maybe as a community we should give it serious consideration.

Alternatively, and this is a sugestion only  - maybe the way forward is that  as a community  we identify what is in the contract  - as I do not recall anything that stipulate that the pool was strictly limited to those who had apartments wthin any particular phase  - thus giving Roda a let out clause.

Is Legal advice the way forward - any lawyers out  there?

Hutchibe

You are correct that the pools are not fenced and I personally would not wish to see them fenced as it will not add much to the overall appearance of the resort. Before anyone gets excited about my lack of concern for children´s safety I firmly believe that fencing is no substitute for proper responsible supervision of children in pool areas and I am sure that you would agree that there are plenty of examples of people getting into difficulties in pools which are fenced as well as those which are not. In fact I know of one example where a parent could not get to a child in time because of fencing at a pool. The issue of fencing is probably going to be a necessity in a few years time and I think that when it is legally required we should address it then in our communities or perhaps the whole resort will be finished and the entidad will make the decision as a whole. 

None of the pools currently have a children´s swimming area and as such there is a responsibility on all parents and guardians to ensure that their children are fully supervised at all times whilst they are in the pool areas.This is clearly posted on all of the pool notices and in Spain the legal responsibility for children in pools rests solely with their adult guardians.

It was agreed at the EGM for Phase 1 during the summer that ground floor owners can close off their terraces, using railings identical to those on second floor terraces etc, to ensure that children do not wander over into the pool areas from the apartrments. This was approved as a health and safety issue and is available to all ground floor apartment owners which would address the issue of children going over to the pools without supervision.

As a matter of interest the administrators for Phase 1, 2 and the townhouses are very experienced lawyers and you should perhaps consider addressing any issues directly to them as this is their area of expertise and their jurisdiction. That way you wll be sure that you are getting timely and accurate information as opposed to conjecture.

Apparently, a wee Spanish boy drowned at Roda during the last week in August. We were out there at the time but were not aware of anything until told by one of the residents.

Ann

I understand from the President of Phase 1 that a young Spanish boy drowned in one of the townhouse swimming pools at the beginning of June and not August.

Obviously the family would  like this to be treated as a private matter and this should be respected by the Forum.

I certainly agree with IP's comments.

I was aware of the full circumstances of the drowning and certainly wasn't going to share the facts with the forum.  I am sure those poor people have been through enough without all the tittle tattle which goes on in this forum.  I would have thought this forum was above all of this but it now seems full of idle chit chat!!

I don`t think that it is tittle tattle as you describe as if it makes one person think about pool safety for their renters surely this is very good news as it highlights an issue

I also think that the comments regarding the railings on phases 1 & 2, which would not have been made without this being highlighted, is very constructive and will help people on later phases

The object of any forum is to help with the free and proper exchange of HELPFULL information and most of the comments on this thread I believe have achieved this and I thank people for their constructive comments and I will be able to add contents to my  RODA buyers guide

The lack of any rule boards or life preserver around the pools required immediate action, even if only for insurance reasons, the pools should have these displayed by law

for the information of inspect a homes

I am sorry you had to add your comment.

People were aware of the sad incident from the forum.  It sadly happened, but what good does it do when people want more information, is it to feed their own minds or is it for the benefit of others.

I think most people will and should be aware of the dangers of water.  I just hope the basis of the topic is not just another way of a business drumming up trade! (ie railings). 

Most of the comments are very important safety wise but the problem I have is when someone starts getting personal about the topic.

Have you see one post of sympathy on the forum? I rest my case!

Sorry I have your PM and this is nothing to do with generating business but purely a concern for health and safety

As I always have to explain I do not carry out building work, I do not sell grills, and my only intesset here is the safety of the renters in the same way that our reports carry recomendations for C02 detectors, smoke alarms and window locks, which by the way we do not supply

My motivation is simple to avoid this happening again as normaly the first thing that new arrivals do unpack and may not be totally aware of any dangers

It goes without saying that people are upset by this tyoe of incident but prevention is always better than cure

I  was not personally attacking anybody and this is only genuine concern 

Roy ,

Why do you feel the need to have your business details on every posting in HUGE LETTERS if  you are not trying to promote your business.If you are as genuine as you say perhaps you would remove the advertisement.

At this stage there is nothing to be gained by rehashing concerns about safety ad nauseum. As I mentioned a week ago I have contacted the administrators and they have confirmed that Roda is fully compliant with current health and safety legislation in Murcia. I would certainly be guided by the administrators with all of their experience in this issue and others relating to the development.

It is only common sense to say that it is incumbent on all owners who rent to ensure that full instructions are provided in each apartment with regard to safety within the complex and that renters are encouraged to read the very large pool notices which point out that water safety is the primary responsibility of the parent or guardian accompanying the child or children.

As a responsible property owner on Roda Golf & Beach Resort I am fed up being lectured to by non Roda property owners about what Roda are doing wrong and really am beginning to wonder if there is a hidden agenda here. I think it is time to butt out on this one Roy, as previous postings clearly confirm that water safety and pool rules in Murcia are outside your area of expertise.     

Well said Ip

I am fed up with people who don't even own property in Roda adding their comments.  I think they are trying to promote their own business and I can't believe EOS allow this to happen.

I think we pay administrators well and they in turn offer us good service.

It was always my understanding that  the Roda area of  EOS  was for the mutual benefit of the owners and prospective  owners at Roda,  we could learn from each other experiances and exchange idea's and information...       

I  don't understand what these self publicists and  people clearly promoting their own agenda or business  are doing on our web site at all..     Please go away.....