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04 Jan 2008 12:00 AM by Toon Star rating. 6 forum posts Send private message

I address this message to anyone who attended the PM3 AGM and newly elected members of the board.

I have just received some information regarding the agm.

Like the treasurer I am dumb struck as to how the community is in such deficit in such a short space of time. How can we have gone over spend in excess of Euros 23,000 for repairs and sundries? What has this money been spent on and should this money have been spent out of community funds?

What measures are we taking on the security front. Are there any members of PM3 who have not been burgled?

How do we get those members who have arrears on their fees to pay up

I thank those who were elected to the board for PM3 and offer my support where I can.


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05 Jan 2008 10:04 AM by RMHP Star rating. 21 forum posts Send private message

I am puzzled as to why there are people in arrears with their community fees because when we completed on our purchase a Direct Debit was set up by our lawyer to pay our community fees.  Is this not the case for everyone?


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05 Jan 2008 12:15 PM by lomax Star rating. 51 forum posts Send private message

Hi

We were rather miffed ourselves to find that we were on the debtors list for over a hundred euros I think because like yourselves our solicitor had set up all standing orders.  We paid Ammex a visit in Sabinillas (making sure to make appointment first as from past experience they'll have you hanging around forever) and the explanation was that up until your apartment is signed over Interlaken pay the community fees then you take over.  The solicitor sets up standing order from date of signing but there is a period that you should have signed over  apparrently (or maybe this is how we interpretted it) but due to solicitor hold ups or local government or whatever????!!!!!! that is not builders responsibilty so therefore you pay. Well anyway, the more I tried to ask the more complicated it became so we just paid up and came away shaking our heads still not really understanding but it got us off the bloody debtors list.  I would think that there are many people who like ourselves never even looked at that list for a long time because as far as we were concerned we were all paid up.  So everyone, consult this list as you may be in for a nasty surprise that your name appears on it!  We were lucky that the amount wasn't too bad but I noticed that some people owe rather a lot. As for you people that know you owe this money well we have all had the same let down on our so called 'luxurious' properties and whilst it certainly makes you feel like holding back payment, how on earth are we supposed to get security and so many other things put right if you hold back this money?  Also if you're trying to sell wouldn't it be advantageous to pay up and get everything in order so that prospective buyers might actually be IMPRESSED by the site!

Helen   




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06 Jan 2008 3:19 PM by ef Star rating in Oxfordshire / Casare.... 150 forum posts Send private message

Although we are in PM1, we have also recently had problems with community fees. Before we completed in July 2007, I checked, double checked and checked again with everyone involved that community fees up to the date of completion were due to be paid by the developper. Our solicitor assured us that this was the case. But in November we received a slightly heavy handed communication from Ammex saying that we owed approx 2,000 Euros, including 1,700E relating to pre-completion. I then had about 3 days of emails flying back and forth, with Ammex saying it was my responsibility to get the developer to pay and if I had not formally notified them via our solicitor that we would be liable. I then emailed our solicitor, but Ammex and the solicitor emailed each other and between them decided that as a direct debit was not set up, our solicitor would do so, Ammex would take the money they wanted from our account and the issue was over!! Unfortunately for them and fortunately for us, we did not give our solicitor power of attorney to sign or set up anything on our behalf, I did it all myself, so they were somewhat scuppered with this plan and both Ammex and the solicitor had to actually correspond with me again! End result - after about 5 days, Ammex and the solicitor agreed we were only liable for fees since completion and between them they would do what was necessary to get the cash from the developer.  What really irritated me over the whole thing was that Ammex and the solicitor tried to deal with it between them and keep me out of the loop. I have also been put under pressure to set up a direct debit, but I have made it clear that I will only do so when the arrears are paid by the developer. I have no problem paying the community fees in a timely fashion, when I am sent an invoice in an equally timely fashion, but I refuse to have other people helping themselves to incorrect amounts of cash out of my Spanish bank account!!

If anyone else is in a similar position, I would advise them to take a stance, legally the developer is liable for the fees up to the date of completion, this is a fact, however many times anyone tries to tell you otherwise. However, if it had just been a few hundred Euros due by the developer (instead of 1,700E), I too probably would have just paid it and moved on.

As Ammex waived the rule last year about owners voting at the AGM even though there were outstanding community fees, I would expect them to do the same where the outstanding fees relate to pre-completion, as that is the equitable thing to do. However, like others, I feel strongly that owners must pay their own liability for fees, for the benefit of the whole site and if they are not paid up by the time of the AGM's, then they should not be allowed to vote. This does mean that Ammex may have to do a little more work in ascertaining who owes what fees on each apartment, prior to the AGMs in order to be equitable. I would very much support Ammex and the Presidents in being heavy handed with any owner who does not pay their fees - as long as those fees are correctly due by the owner.

 Emma




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