Is the EU responsible for Brexit chaos

Interesting Micky that you blame 11 MP's who are voting on the princple that all parts of the UK should be treated the same when there are 246 Labour MP's many of whom beleive in the deal and all of which were elected on a manifesto to leave the EU.

For those who did not vote the ballot paper said ‘leave or stay’ there was no option to vote for any sort of deal. It’s the bad loosing undemocratic remainders and two faced politicians who are responsible for the chaos.

The system of government and incidentally the supreme court in Britain gives parliament the responsibility to implement the recommendation of the referendum result and the withdrawal agreement. You would expect parliament to proceed to find the least damaging way for the nation to exit the EU. A referendum is one thing, a plebiscite of public opinion on a date almost three years ago. However, parliament is sovereign and the executive has to agree a path to that exit which preserves the livelihoods and security of the public. Anything less would be to abdicate the burden of responsibility.

I doubt the ballot papers or any politician ever mentioned this is only a recommendation vote. Would it have been a recomendation vote if the result was stay?

Parliament represents and is the servant of the people.

Parliament asked their masters the people for a decision.

They were given that decision and have failed to act on it.

If they do not sort out their act before the next election they should expect wholesale changes.

There are second rate MP's in all parties that we might be glad to see the back of but it's likely to be indicriminate with good MP's going because of the line taken by their party.

There is another way to see this crisis.

Imagine for a moment the government announced after the referendum the UK would leave the UK immediately. Or even on March 31st with no deal whatever. The ongoing consequences of blockaded ports, a lorry park on the M20, food shortages, medicines running out Sterling worth less than a Euro, interest rates substantially increased, borders manned by the military in NI. In other words, a worse crisis than the UK actually has at the moment.

Now, who would the public blame for that? Yes, the same people they currently blame for NOT leaving. Governments and leaders everywhere are always dammed if they do dammed if they don't. It's the medieval equivalent of the village stocks.

But that’s only your scaremongering fantasy opinion from someone who never voted. The electorate voted leave with no deal, respect it and get on with it.

Get your facts right Minky.

March 29th was the date that the UK was supposed to leave the EUSSR, not the 31st.

These were just a couple of the predictions of what would happen IMMEDIATELY if the result was leave

House prices will plummet

Hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost

All lies.

Who do people blame for the chaos? - a small majority of remainers who cannot accept a democratic decision, and a Parliament that will be cleared out of the same dross when there is a general election. 

It's very easy to suggest these logical concequences are fantasy from the comfortable position of knowing they won't take place. They cannot happen because parliament legislated against a no deal exit. They did that because they had suficient intelligence to realise the concequences are not fantasy but very real. They set aside £4 billion to cope. Is that reckless or the sound practical planning you would expect from government.

No deal might still come to pass is if on 31st October the EU decides they have had enough. Rather an ironic if not a poetic end don't you think. The EU deciding your fate.

If the government is so intelligent why did they only put stay or leave on the ballot paper?

We will see how intelligent they are at the next GE when they will be unemployed

A General Election under the fixed term act is not going to happen until 5 May 2022 by which time I expect the dust to have settled and rational politics to resume. No sain political party wants to help Farage get anywhere near gaining power. However, I’m pretty sure there will be a new PM by then.

I also think Theresa May is serious about negotiations with Labour. She has offered to go back to Brussels to reopen her Brexit deal to reflect the ongoing cross-party talks.

This is something the European Union has long said it would be happy to do (because she’s talking about tweaking the non-binding declaration on future trade ties, not the divorce treaty itself), and something Labour has made clear from the beginning it would demand. The trouble is, there’s a good chance it won’t be enough.

May appears to be ready to make a concession on some kind of future customs union ahead of what’s billed as (another) crunch session of talks. But her offer comes just as the battle within the divided Labour Party over a second referendum escalates. It could turn out to be too little too late, as May continues to reject the prospect of a confirmatory public vote. 

Labour is deeply split over the issue of a second referendum, and crucially Jeremy Corbyn is on the side of those reluctant to have one. But Keir Starmer, the party’s Brexit spokesman, has said that any cross-party deal would struggle to get parliamentary support if it doesn’t include a confirmatory vote. ( ie: second referendum)

Starmer says it’s a question of numbers: “A significant number of Labour MPs, probably 120 if not 150, would not back a deal if it hasn’t got a confirmatory vote,” he’s quoted as saying. “If the point of the exercise is to get a sustainable majority, over several weeks or months of delivering on the implementation, you can’t leave a confirmatory vote out of the package.”

So it looks like the only way to get the deal approved in the H of C is agree the second referendum. Confirmation of the exit deal or remain being the two likely questions.

The alternative to the deal going through is either binding indicative votes or revoke article 50 and forget the entire process. I can't see either one of these options happening. So it's May's deal or allow the EU to decide the fate of the UK.

It will be the electorate that decides if Nigel gets power not other political parties, however they are doing their best.

For those who have disowned the UK the vote on the ballot paper said ‘leave or stay’, come whatever we will leave, deal or no deal, like it or not. Learn how to loose, that’s if you are actually involved.

Not until 2022 it isn't. Parliament can call a GE if it votes for it. However, that is an unlikely option given the currently protest vote risk. Farage has no policies he's a populist one issue mouthpiece, a home for the disaffected.

In 2022 British living around the world will be able to vote in all elections no matter how long they have lived outside the UK.

Here is an extract of a statement I received from HM Government recently. The bill going through has had a successful second reading.

The Government’s principle is clear: participation in our democracy is a fundamental part of being British, no matter how far you have travelled. The Government remains committed to scrapping the 15 year limit on the voting rights of overseas electors ahead of the next scheduled General Election in 2022, subject to securing the necessary Parliamentary approval. If it becomes law, this bill would implement the Government’s manifesto commitment to deliver ‘votes for life’. We encourage all eligible British citizens to register to vote, wherever they live.

Is this the same government that said we would leave on March 29th and HM government never lies.....Dream on, you will not be getting a vote. Treason May would do a deal with the devil rather than enact the will of the majority. As for leaving the EUSSR, a Liebour government would be far more damaging to this country than anything else.

We might have to wait until 2022 but given the huge amount of protest voters who are sick to death of the whole betrayal, the childish moaning bad losers, the Hilda Ogden’s who have nothing to do with the event, Ladbrokes and William Hill have made Nigel and his party favourite to win the next election at 4/5 on.

All this anti-establishment rhetoric and opposition to the established political values will lead to only one conclusion. Unless the fundamental values are upheld the country will descend into chaos. Mrs May has tried to leave the EU in an orderly way. The people preventing that are the very people you seem to support. Very odd.

Sill trying to work out how the UK can leave the UK when I get another conundrum.

How can 274 labour MP's, 16 ulster unionists and 11 ERG members (the people who consistantly vote against Mrs Mays bill) be anti establishment?

Mucky

Mrs May may want to leave in an orderly way (on her bended knees and wiith her begging bowl in hand whilst doffing her cap). I say leave - no customs union, no ecj, no single market - That is the Brexit that we voted for - David Cameron and rest of the scaremongers told us so, and that is what we want, and when we kick out all the traitors who don't believe in democracy and wont enact the will of the majority that is what we will get. If the EU want to do a free trade deal with us without all their conditions (FOM, etc etc), as they have done with other countries then we will do one, if not WTO it is. Remainers keep telling us "you didn't vote to be poorer", well that is what we were told would happen immediately, guess what they lied, but people still voted to leave the dictatorship.

Quite right Jarvi, out is out but beyond some bad loser’s comprehension, or is it all a wind up?