Is the EU responsible for Brexit chaos

"Johnson in"

Prediction  -  He'll make the final three chosen by the constituencies but the MP's will not vote for him.

Angeleyes -The EU will collapse within 5 years. France and Germany will be out within 2 years. Greece will be the loyalist member. This will solve BREXIT because we won’t have anything to leave.

Why anyone believes the most successful political union and global trading block would be under any risk of collapse is a mystery to me.

Whilst I accept major reforms are necessary and will be implemented with the new Commission this year there is absolutely no possibility of the EU collapsing. The Euro is one of the worlds most stable currencies used in carry trades and safe haven investment. The ECB remains united and in a position to keep the Euro stable, strong and relevant in the global economy.

In the Brexit negotiations, unanimity of purpose between all member states has remained strong and unified. It is Britain who will soon be out in the cold tearing itself apart politically by leaving the EU without a deal. It is the United Kingdom that is far more likely to break apart post-Brexit than the EU. 

Scotland will almost certainly split from the UK if an indyref 2 is granted and apply to join the EU. If it's not given peacefully a similar situation to Catalonia will arise. NI will I believe within a decade be unified with the Republic. I cannot see any of these generational political leaders capable of holding the nation together and unifying a completely divided nation.

The legacy of Cameron and May will haunt the UK for a decade.

Even Gina Miller thinks the EU is doomed 

"Europe is being attacked from several different angles and this will mean in the next five years we could see either a dismantling of existing EU - what I call two-tier membership organisation, where you have the bigger countries in a bloc, and then tiered membership".

You are correct Jarvi, once the UK leaves others will see the light and follow, in fact some are itching to get out now. There may be a new EU formed but it will only consist of the well heeled. The UK may consider joining.

Micky. The Euro is one of the world’s most stable currencies. Tell that to the Greeks when the ATMs where empty and the banks closed and did a runner.

and yet Greece want to stay in the EU.  Just like the UK!

The UK voted leave. Maybe you have been reading the Beano?

But Greece only joined the EU for a payday loan (wonga.com) relationship and a permanent season ticket to food banks.

The Euro is one of the world’s most stable currencies. Tell that to the Greeks when the ATMs where empty and the banks closed and did a runner.

Clearly angeleyes your understanding of how international finance and rules governing the Euro is somewhat misinformed. The plain fact is that Greece borrowed far too much money and failed to disclose it when they joined the Euro. Consequently, their budget deficient far exceeded what is permissible for countries that are part of the Euro area. They found themselves unable to borrow on the international markets and their bond yield rocketed. They were eventually bailed out on three occasions by the EU & ECB which set strict spending requirements in order to preserve the stability of the Euro around the world. The fact that banks in Greece closed their doors was simply part of the restructuring arrangements forced upon Greece by the EU.

Euro weakness had nothing whatever to do with Greece's problems although it did weaken slightly during the crisis due to uncertainty. Similar to Sterling troubles currently. When the UK leaves without any deal arrangement as I fully expect now Sterling will be worth less than a Euro and will remain as such until ForeX markets have some certainty for the future. It's going to be a very painful ride. Do not underestimate the consequences on both sides of La Manche.

But Micky you don’t know the future of Sterling, you’re just guessing or making it up just like your mate Perry who thinks we voted remain.

Maybe the 36% unemployed Greek youths could amalgamate with the 40% Spanish unemployed youths and set up a street burger bar franchise and save the EU from collapse. It’s the wheelbarrow of euros that will be worth less than the wheelbarrow after the wise UK has left the poverty club.

"When the UK leaves without any deal arrangement as I fully expect now Sterling will be worth less than a Euro and will remain as such until ForeX markets have some certainty for the future. It's going to be a very painful ride. Do not underestimate the consequences on both sides of La Manche." No it wont and I expect you to be wrong as per usual, and only one side will find it very painful, the EUssr, we will have a bit a pain but nothing worse than we have had before. "The fact that banks in Greece closed their doors was simply part of the restructuring arrangements forced upon Greece by the EU." (This is what the dictatorship does) And the EU knew about how the Greeks worked and what their financial structures were like but still let them join, but then it was easier to trap them into the dictatorship once they joined the Euro.

You need to be realistic about the EU empire and it's limited life and existance.

History has proved that dictatorships always end in failure. Their existence only last on their brainwashing ability of people who can be easily influenced.

A national currency reflects the confidence world markets have in both the political and economic management of the said nation. To believe the EU will collapse you need to present solid economic and political reasons to support that view if you want to be taken seriously.

So far all I have read on here to justify it is meaningless, populist rhetoric.

"Scotland will almost certainly split from the UK if an indyref 2 is granted and apply to join the EU. If it's not given peacefully a similar situation to Catalonia will arise. "

For accession to the EU you need all the existing members to vote in agreement. Spain for one would never agree to an independant Scotland or Catalunia joining the EU. There may well be several other countries with restive minorities who would take the same view.

Lord King, who served as Bank of England Governor for a decade:

- My preference is still No Deal Brexit
- Jobs won’t be lost
- Political class have lost confidence in country

Before I became a nurse, I was studying for a degree in psychology. I dropped that and concentrated on general nursing instead.

Now I'm retired, I may go back and re-do that original degree. I could possibly get my doctorate out of some the posters on here talking of dictatorships (short memories some of them have) and the tin foil hattery.

I could even bring up the "EU is doomed", "Euro will fail" and link them to the articles about the EEC wouldn't last more than 10 years (article i read back in the late 60s) or the euro will have a maximum life of 5 years before failing (another article back in the late 90s).

Indeed, the playing of percentages and only linking or referring to items that fit the POV of the poster would get me a DClinPsy in a very short time as would the proposition of why certain people only pop up to post their views on one particular subject or even make up things to cement their bias.

May I suggest a few visits to a good therapist for some and ask them to post the clinical notes on here. It would take a lot of study time out of it just by quoting the reports. 

TIA

May 22 2014.  The EU will collapse within five years.  Guess who said that right here on EOS?

Looks like they have four days for their vision to come true.

Another load of old rope by the Brexit Project Fantasy Team!

Oh, and please leave Higher Math and Finance to those of us who understand it, thank you.

Who said we would never vote for leave?

Who said we would never vote for leave?

In the year prior to the referendum being held in 2016 popular sentiment was that the British were far too sensible to consider leaving the EU. Apart from the campaigning populist tabloids, Farage and Co most political leaders were sitting on the fence waiting to see which way everyone else would blow. Johnson in the final days when he had to declare finally jumped to leave. That was decisive in influencing many others..

Cameron and his chums were confident Britain would vote to remain. Personally I was not, in fact, I won a wager they would vote leave. The reason I was worried was the Syrian refugee crisis, Merkle's open door policies and pictures of the exodus of refugees of all descriptions making their way across Europe heading for anywhere that would accept them. I realised this fear factor would play very badly in the minds of voters.

You would be surprised to learn that the detailed facts of the benefits or negatives of being an EU member did not fill the minds of the average person in the electorate booth. What worried them was what they saw on the TV the night before or on a disgraceful poster by UKIP exploiting human misery.

Now the facts are substantially clear and have been explored ad nauseam. The voter fatigue syndrome is the condition of the average electorate now. The diehard leavers will blindly follow Farage into the Euros and the remain vote probably equal in number will go to the rest. Nothing will be achieved and the country will continue to drift down to October unless someone grabs the issue by the neck scruff and takes a positive path to either revoke article 50 or call another vote.

Meanwhile, the country grinds on and business investment continues to decline along with Britain prestige and standing in the world.