Change of management - Jardines

So Jardines is a different 'resort' to Naranjos and La Isla ? News to me ! I don't think the Jardines presidents can vote on behalf of the Naranjos community so we must have two managenment companies in place !!!! Interesting ?

David

I am not one to criticise anyone especially non paid volunteers.

However

Have I missed something here, doesnt the resort consist of more than 12 Presidents and more that just the Jardines.

I thought the resort by definition was Condado De Alhama and it comprised of the Jardines, Los Naranjos, the Penthouses and the Villas (sorry if I have left anyone out or not called each complex by its correct name).

Surely it is best if any decisions are made after discussion by all of the Presidents or all of the Presidents at a certain level representing all of the Resort.

I hear what you are saying about RPM and thier lack of performance history and agree that we should have a competent experienced contractor with proven Resort Management Experience.

However

Why has this not gone through our own due process to get to this decision.

If we are being critical of the decision to appoint RPM then arnt we following the same path by not following due process as ONE RESORT.

I am not criticising and know that you along with many others have been a great source of advice and guidance for a lot of people on the resort but please lets act as one family so we can work and stick together for the benefit of all. 

Dear all

I am in agreement with numerous comments throughout this thread re C de A being one resort, the Jardin Presidents were voted in so have a right to make decisions etc etc

I have a couple of concerns in that if we swap property management companies on the basis of many of the faults highlighted then we could be changing them on a regular basis. Not many Councils in the UK would remain in situ if this system applied here.

My main query is where do PW sit with this. I had a chat with Sergio a couple of weeks ago with regard to the Presidents structure and he was clear that there were numerous issues but as PW held the power within the structure of the resort management the way forward was by way of negotiation.

As such I will wait and see if this does or actually can happen.

put me down to cut the perimeter road grass

I have just received an email from RPM saying THEY are stillrunning the show and to disregards the rumours of another co taking over!!???  What a ridiculous situation to be in.  The president of Jardin 5 posted different info here earlier today and then RPM send out this email.  Crazy.  Goodness knows who to believe.

The words 'piss-up' and 'brewery' spring to mind.

Just received this email from RPM....... the plot thickens. :)

Dear Homeowner,
 
Regarding the rumours about the division and/or change of Secretary-Administrator of Jardines de Alhama Golf Resort I and Jardines de Alhama Golf Resort II, "Resort Property Management S.L." send attached to this email a letter of information.
 
Also we inform you that the position of “Resort Property Management, S. L.” is to continue for the Community of Owners.
 
For any other issue or clarification on this matter please contact us by our phone numbers 0034-638618275 or 0034-638617787, or in person at the customer service point at the resort.
 
Yours sincerely,
Resort Property Management S.L.-

Just received the email also can,t seem to copy it across, a little to technical.

Sandy

This was attached in the e-mail...

Dear Homeowner,

With this email, and given the rumours that have being circulating about the cessation of Resort Property Management, Ltd., as secretary / manager of the community, we would like to inform you about the following to clarify the situation.

1º- As current secretary / administrator of the private community of owners of the complex "Condado de Alhama Golf Resort" at all levels, we don’t consider the existence of the body that called the Extraordinary General Meeting of the Community of Owners "Condado de Alhama Resort"  held last August 1, 2009, because it does not comply with the provisions in the statutes of the Community, or as stipulated in the act 49/1960 of the horizontal property, subject to further expansion, as an example here are a few of these serious illegalities.

a) Article 12 of the statutes of the community established that the only persons with power of representation for the General Community will be the presidents or representatives of level III or superior.

Therefore, the presidents of Level III only have the legal authority to convene General Meetings of the owners of the related gardens, and not the other presidents of the Level III or Level II.

b) the presidents of the Level III can request to convene           a Extraordinary General Meeting of Level II, if requested by a quarter of the owners of Level III, or those who represent at least 25% of the coefficient of shares of the total of the owners of the community, not just from the gardens (article 18 of the Status of the Community)

c) The legal authority to cease any position of the community in Level III, depends only on the General Board of the Owners of Level III when properly constituted.

d) For the call be valid, by the constitution of the general meeting of presidents of level II,  it should be called by the president (level I) and they must notify by a minimum of six days, in a refutable way , all presidents of this level (Article 16 LPH)

This meeting was not convened by the Presidents of Level I, and all the presidents of the Level II were not notified.

The presidents of Level II will, on request of the Presidents of the Level III, be subject to consultation on the different points of the agenda of a general meeting of owners of gardens. The president of Level III will receive the information about what the owners request and will pass the information to Level II to get an agreement in the General Board of the community.

e) A part from many other serious violations that we will eventually show in detail

2º. Therefore, because it has not complied with any of these requirements it is not appropriate to regard this as an Extraordinary General Meeting of the Community of Owners and their adopted agreements are invalid.

In this situation, the position of Resort Property Management S.L.. , as the current secretary / administrator of the community, without prejudice to other actions of other presidents are as follows:

1.The communication by email to all the presidents attending the meeting, notifying them of the content of this message and inform them of some of the serious irregularities committed by having full knowledge of the scope of their activities.

2. Transfer of documents to our firm´s CARRILLO ASESORES SL HQ so that our lawyers can study these documents, as to bring possible action against those directly responsible for this action.

3. Given the absence of agreements, to reject the content of communications received so far to this administration headquarters.

4. Continue to perform the functions related to the post of secretary / administrator it currently holds

Therefore, we are at your disposal to clarify the situation, as we are for any other issue affecting the community

                                                                                  Alhama, de Murcia, 7^th of August 2009

Yours sincerely,

Resort Property Management S.L.,

José Gabriel Carrillo Fernández.

Well - that explains it then    Clear as mud.

put me down to cut the grass

Let's hope the potential legal action if taken by RPM against those acting incorrectly is against the individuals and not the community. I will be pretty hacked off if costs rise because of invalid actions taken by individuals. I guess this would have to be the case as, as their actions are invalid, it could not be constituted that they are acting on behalf of the whole community? I hope we're not going to spend our time arguing over this on a regular basis. RPM should surely be given a resonable amount of time to show they can deliver - realistically I'd say this should be two years given the development is still forming.

what a right mess this seems to be. This Antonio Gil crowd have been trying to get the contract away from RPM right from the start. I'd like to know who they are and whether any of the presidents have any 'conflict of interest' in this regard. As far as I'm concerned RPM are doing a decent job. The resort is tidy and well maintained and we've already had the monthly maintenance charge reduced. If people want to go for the lowest cost option (I think I read something about another 20 euro off per month) then just be aware you will get what you pay for. I for one would be very upset if we ended up with some other company managing the resort and standards were to slip.

A right old mess indeed. Well said jeb321 - I'm with you, I have been out 4 times in last 7 months and I have seen anything to be an issue.

Can someone tell me where RPM have cocked up so badly they need to be changed?  I don't recall reading anything.

I think that as they say, " possible action against those directly responsible for this action"  rules out the majority of the resort, so no worries there. 

I still can't understand how they thought they could get this through without involving the whole resort.  Although thinking about it, they knew they wouldn't get the vote if they did that, because PW have 80% of any vote that takes place.  This won't change until we appoint more presidents.  That is, I think,  as much a wish of RPM as it is us.  They are not able to change anything without a vote,  so surely this must be our next move?  We need more votes, even to allow RPM a fair crack at running things. Having said that, how did this other group  think they could change things with PW having the majority vote?   It doesn't matter who's running it, no-one can do anything without PWs vote.    

June

this has been brought up before,

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this has been brought up before, goundhog day, you get what you pay for

Ant and Andi

The grass looks nice anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stripes could be straighter though lol.

Just to throw another issue into the ring re duplicity

Why do we continue to post on two different forums when we have our own dedicated website ie Condadodealhamaservices.com.

I am getting quite dizzy jumping between the two to see different postings on different sites.

cdaservices i think gives us everything we want and if it doesnt it can be tweaked to do that.

Hi,  not smooth

The short answer is freedom of choice I suppose, both this forum and the other you mention are privately run and owned commercial sites and any member of these sites can view all content, so which you use is down to personal preference.

It would be good if our president set up a site just for the private use of owners so we could post our question/concerns and gain information on all aspects of Condado de Alhama, and this site was only assessable by owners. I believe such a site would help improve communication between owners and stop us washing our so called dirty washing for the entire world to see on public forums, especially if on occasion the washing wasn’t dirty in the first place!!!.

If such a site existed the association could benefit from revenue from advertisers.

Just a thought.

Phil

Phil

I agree with all you have said and I was trying to see what ultimately is required to bring everyone together (both roundheads and cavaliers) sorry poor pun given the current climate .

A secure site only accessible to owners, bought into by everyone I guess is the requirement.

However I also suspect there will always be a commercial interest for someone somewhere along the line so getting it completely impartial may  be difficult.

At present I am more than happy with condadodealhamaservices.com as a medium and if access was made for owners only (or certain parts) then we cant be far off

what do you think

Paul

Hi Paul

Basically I agree with your comments also, I have no problem with any of the forums we have mentioned and of course there are others as well. However a site run by the community for the community would have our interests at heart and no external conflicts commercial or otherwise to distract it, and of course its advertising if any would be better targeted towards us and any revenue gained would benefit the community. But for me the main benefit would be its security to its member’s interests only.

Phil