Change of management - Jardines

great idea lads, but who would cut the grass

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YOU, You offerd

...back to the thread...

Once again it seems a lot of confusion has been caused by a few people taking independant action. It reinforces the need to work through the presidential structure and ensure that we have presidents in place who act on our behalf (as I'm sure most of them will try to do).

As regards RPM, I think they've been doing a reasonable job under difficult circumstances and need at least a couple of years to demonstrate they're up to the task. Lets give them a chance and work with them rather than trying to oust them - it's in all our interests (including RPMs) for this to work.

I agree on the need for an "owners" web site - La Torre have developed an excellent site ltgr.es, I like Eye on Spain, and the Condado services site, but as has already been said, both are commercial.

Problem is, shouldn't our administrators be responsible for developing such a site??  I for one am not impressed by RPM and would be happy to see them replaced. BUT .... it must be for the entire resort, and I agree with many others, that it can't be right for the presidents of the 12 jardines (and I am in the jardines) to make this decision, without including all of the other parts of the resort. 

RPM could do themselves and the community a power of good by establishing a web site, they may be doing a very good job, but it does not get communicated!

Ted

apparently it is now     "ltora.com"

Hi Ted

Just had a look at www.ltora.com Now that’s what I’m talking about.

A well presented site serving no one else’s interest but their own and all information that is for internal use kept that way.

Phil

Thanks Phil - just had a look myself, what a great web site. If only................

Looks like a great website!  Lets hope we have one soon.

Hi Phil,

Looks invaluable to the residents of La torre but who could possibly have the time to set this up and update it on a regular basis.

Exactly

Thats why I am more than happy with CDAservices etc

back to subject of post again:

Thanks to cappielow for the posting of RPM e-mail.

reading between the jargon I get the impression RPM are not happy with the attempt to oust them, it would appear it goes agaisnt the horizontal property act and it also appears they are seeking to instigate some form of legal action agaisnt person(s) who are are behind the moves.

Also as others have said CDA is a resort not individual gardens/villas/penthouse , how can Jardines  go it alone without the other areas of the complex switching also. How for example do you manage commual electric costs for lights sprinklers etc.

Presidents act on OUR behalf not their own, yes it might be a better option to appoint a different company but I have the right to look at the costs, services offered and how that service is delivered BEFORE any vote is taken to replace anyone.

One last rant, we are not stupid, how dare certain posts patronise and condesend others with suggestions of reading certain books, (i have that book by the way and yes have read it), also Presidents (and MPs) act with the consent of those who appoint them and should in a democracy (that is what CDA is) seek views before making unilateral decisions.

RPM should be given a chance to sort things out and run the complex for the owners, they have not been given that chance in my view, and has already been posted, certain elements have done nothing but cause problems at the general meetings with a view (in my opinion) to replace RPM asap (why?), and yes I have been present at both meetings so I saw this with my own eyes.

 RPM need a good couple of years to get the resort running and things sorted, Iam happy (not sure right word) with the monthly fee anda 20 euro saving is not  a reason to remove RPM

Have to agree about CDA Services.  They have gone out of their way to give us as much info on the front page as possible.  They obviosly don't do it for nothing,  why should they?  They put a lot more time and effort into that site than they could possibly get paid for.

The forum page,  I'm pretty certain could be set up to only accept owners.  On the La Torre site,  you have to register with full name and address, so maybe  Jill and Terry could  work with RPM to get this working?  They already changed the forum to only accept people that could be bothered to log in and register, so they might be able to to this too.  There is no advertising on the forum at the moment, or anybody jumping on the bandwagon only when rentals are mentioned,  so that's why I like it.  Don't know if Dan or Phil could shed any light on this.  I know Jill and Terry are in the UK at the moment, so don't know if they will be looking in.  Just a thought by the way.

June

Thanks June

I guess what I am saying is why reinvent the wheel.

If you have something 90% of the way there then see if it can be tweaked

Paul

The problem with this thread in my view is we are all reacting to rumour and whisper without any real facts, the nearest we have to anything factual is the content of the email from RPM  and that struck me as being  aggressive and not very informative. What we need is a way of getting reliable and factual information from our representatives quickly which was the point of the suggested dedicated forum within this thread in the first place. This would help us stop continually spouting misleading and often not factual information on an open forum which damages us and our resort.

I am sure La Torra would be happy to pass information on about setting up such a site and as someone has already said it should be managed by our management company who ever that ends up being.

We need a reliable way of getting good information and access to our presidents from a site with our interest at hart, the only problem with achieving this veer a commercial site is quite rightly their commercial interest come first and if in the future it wasn’t in their commercial interest to continue supporting our need then this could become a problem for us. La Torra have used other sites to communicate in the past and have now decided the best way to go is to have their own site which to me is a sensible way to go as it then develops how we which it to and not for others commercial gain which could conflict with our future needs.

Phil

totally agree with phil , lets wait and see what the information through the right channels say , and not speculate any more

Dear all

This morning I emailed our President Sergio the content of that email is below and part of his response below that, I have removed some of the content being name and things so not to publicly embarrass anyone.

Dear Sergio

With all the rumours about RPM and the misleading information that is going around plus now RPM have put out an official statement stating that some of our representatives have acted outside of their  proper authority and RPM are considering legal action against those involved. I would suggest that as a matter of urgency as president of Condo de Alhama you put out a statement clarifying the situation and stopping these damaging rumours.

Phil

The reply from Sergio

Dear Phil:

You are right, every owner have to be informed about the situation, .The problem here is not RPM, but the organisers that did not informed the Community about the meeting and the issues to be discussed.

As president levelI I refuse to call for this meeting  (not before talking with owners of Jardines).  Dismissing RPM is an important issue of interest for all owners. However, the night before the meeting I found under my door  an invitation calling for a meeting of all presidents level III.

I attended the meeting where various presidents were represented by one representative.  The issues to be discussed were:

RPM dismiss and election of the new administrator.

I decided to abtent voting

In my opinion there are no advantages in changing the administrators of Jardines (jardines 1-13). In fact, it is impossible because RPM is the secretary-administrator at

level 1. In such a case we would have to pay both companies: where RPM keep doing its job and the other, just collecting the community fees which have to be transferred to level 1 (RPM) . Of course we would have to pay both companies increasing our payments.

Sergio

I am very surprised that nobody has seen the bigger picture with regard to this issue.

There is a huge amount of money involved in the management of Condado de Alhama,

I would not like to think that there is any vested interest in this "indecent haste" to replace RPM, who I think are doing a reasonably good job ,apart from the state of the outer ring road,but that is a matter for another day.

There was a rumour that when the Presidential elections were over,certain people wanted RPM removed immediately,but then agreed to "wait and see" for 3 months!! Now, 3 months later a meeting was called with what seems like one agenda only !!! WHY? and WHO called the meeting,who is this guy?Does he have any connection to this Antonio Gil?Why is he in such a hurry to get rid of RPM , who in my view should be given at least a year to prove their worth under their new boss, ie.our presidents.

I think it is time for this person (or persons) to come out of the shadows and talk to us directly.

John 

I agree John, there's certainly lot more to this than meets the eye, and a lot of things we should be VERY concerned about.

I'd be suprised though if we ever find out the real motovation behind all this move, but I am concerned about Sergio's reply that we could end up paying double as a result of it.

I only hope that they haven't already gone ahead and signed contracts with Antonio Gil following the Presidents vote on the 1st of Aug, otherwise that could well end up being the case.

I shouldn't worry regarding any agreements these people may have got into. They appear to have acted illegally and not as representatives of the resort - the resort cannot therefore be held to account for their actions.

Could 'Sponsored' be behind this as he seems to get in everywhere ?

The reason I posted the content of the email I received from Sergio was to stop all the speculation and show that our properly elected president is aware of this situation and has confirmed that the actions of some cannot succeed as proper democratic process has not been followed. The only person with the authority to hire and fire is the president and it is clear he hasn’t done any such thing. For those that may have acted independently without proper authorisation I suspect they will have to account for their actions, they certainly will not have the authority to appoint new administrators. We should stop speculating and wait for a proper statement from our president.

Phil