Just back from Corvera - a positive view

Hi Shelagh

1. Please be more specific. To which 'Roda Golf' member do you refer when you cite 'particularly distasteful postings'?

2. Are you suggesting that only those who have bought on Corvera should be allowed to post on the Corvera forum?
 

Absolutely not JDY.

Anyone is free to post, and I need not cite anyone.

I would just prefer, as I assume the majority of Corvera members would, to see constructive and helpful postings.

Shelagh

An interesting if perplexing couple of posts!

You accuse people you cannot identify of distasteful behaviour you cannot evidence. You find it very odd that someone from outwith the Corvera community should be using the forum then you encourage Roy who has no property here to continue posting. You are grateful for the honest contributions but you only like positive comments. You don't like negative postings yet you post a complaint. You suggest others should drop 'pointed, argumentative and disruptive postings which are completely irrelevant and banal' and then post exactly that yourself.

'Very odd' if I might borrow your phrase.
 

Yes, Whatever, JDY

I have read my postings again - just to be sure.

I have not accused, I have not complained, I have not been rude or offensive.

Can we please have a forum that benefits the members and owners at Corvera?

Shelagh

I will help if I can.

• You accused at least one member of 'disasteful postings'.
• You complained that 'the pointed, argumentative and disruptive postings are completely irrelevant and banal'.
• Your comments are rude and offensive in my opinion at least as they denigrate one person you know nothing about and whom you do not identify with anything more than a general reference which could cause offence to many myself included.

This is an open forum for all points of view not an official Calidona propaganda site. There are no 'distasteful postings' on it. If you disagree have the courage of your convictions and point these out. The moderator will remove at your request if he agrees.

I think Shelagh means

Roy you just carry on promoting your company with free advertising

I have not bothered posting for a few weeks but I find it amusing that people simply cannot leave things alone, but of course still doing plenty of new inspections on site and there are still people completing

I snagged the property for this lady and she obvioulsy was happy with the service and the advice that I gave her, simply and that but again thank you iampositive for giving me the opportunity to respond, who ever you really are

Roy, it appears to be the same person that we previously banned.  He registered again under the new user name "Iampositive".  He really has something against you.  We have blocked that user name.

We have also banned jdy for disruptive posts on a community forum that is not their own.

Remember to please click the "Report spam" links should you feel anything is not right with new users particularly.

I hope that this community forum can return to normal now.  Don't let these people put you off.

Justin

Thank you Justin and I am only doing my normal job and I have very broad shoulders and I am able to take this but it would be intersting to know his other user names

I still strongly believe that the forum is an ideal place for the exchange of views, that a great deal of helpfull  information ahs been provided  and at least if they are attacking me they are leaving  the other owners alone alone, many of which feel uncomfortable posting here

There are a couple of things that the people, that have completed need, one is to possibly join together as a group of OWNERS to lobby and push the developer to get a real decision and dates on the completion of the facilities

The other is we have already seen a community spirit building up on Corvera but because there is no clubhouse it is dificult to get to know other owners, to meet to play golf, or exchange information on the area etc even though Mikel  in the cofffee shop is doing a good job openning later and arranging regular BBQ´s and events 

My question is therefore would it be possible to in someway create a closed forum for owners only so that they can get together and exchange views without the negativity creeping in 

Roy, interesting that you should mention the idea of a "closed forum" for owners only.  It is possible to do, the only problem that I've always had with it is who takes control for each community?

For  example, for Corvera, who would be responsible in approving and rejecting request to join the forum?

Would be interested in hearing any comments on this subject.  We can start a new thread if you prefer?

Justin

I know that there are a number of people that would be more than happy to act as a moderator for a closed forum and lots of people that would want to join and I know that this works well on La Tercia

For example Steve I am sure would be happy, sorry Steve or even Anita if she had time, not me as I am not an owner which so it would defeat the object of the forum and I have enough to do

The key point is of course, subject to feedback, but perhaps it should only be for people that have actually completed and this area can then still assist those with information on the process and issues

You probably don´t remember but there was a closed forum which ended up only able to be used by the legal group

Yes perhaps you could create a new thread for feedback and voluenteers

Justin,

I see you have banned me from the forum 'for disruptive postings on a community forum that is not their own''. I strongly object to this censorship for a number of reasons. It would have been courteous of you to have advised me which you did not. It would also be reasonable to explain what I am disrupting exactly and what rules I am contravening. I have only given a point of view. I have insulted no-one personally (unlike other recent posters) and used no bad language. I also have a contract for the purchase of a property at Corvera which is more than can be said for many others posting here.

If this is now a pro-Calidona site only then you should perhaps say so for the benefit of other forum members who share my perspective (there are clearly many) rather than randomly banning posters and censoring content which give a contrary viewpoint. If it is your intention to continually do this I suspect you will have a 'closed forum' and far fewer subscribers quicker than you may want..

jdy

Here, here Jdy,

I found it unbelieveable that you were banned whilst others who have absolutely nothing to do with Corvera are allowed to post at will.

Roy, the closed forum was started and ran by those taking legal action and it was stated in said forum that there was never anything stopping "corvera completers" starting their own site except for the fact not one of them could be bothered as it takes an extordinate amount of time and effort to do so.  Maybe you could do it though since you just love helping people out being the good samaritan that you are.

I am shocked by how much bickering goes on in the Corvera forum but the Roda forum was like that at the beginning and has now settled down into a forum for a frank exchange of views which can be useful especially for those of us who are not around for weeks and months at a time. 

I am an owner in both Roda and Corvera and have completed in Corvera in the last few months. I am by and large happy with my purchase in Corvera and my son who jointly owns it with me is delighted with it. The snagging we did ourselves as we have many years of experience in the property business and it has mostly been addressed although it must be said, not without some persistent emailing and phone calls to the snagging office.  

Let me be very frank here, Roy's postings are useful and his many guides are no doubt invaluable to many owners, but he is in business to make money and if he can promote his business whilst giving advice then fair play to him. He is upfront about his services and ancillary promotions, in that he recommends a host of suppliers, from air conditioning to lock changing to bedding, who he has used and I am sure that this is also part of his income. Again we should not knock it if it is useful to people who do not know where to start. i wonder only at his patience and fortitude in braving the many insults with such dignity.

But back to the subject of this thread. I was down in Spain last week and was very impressed by the buzz about Corvera although the weather was not great, there was finally a bit of life about. I know that some people will say that most people were stuck there with the Iceland situation but the golf course was busy and there were a lot of cars around even in the evenings. 

I do however have to state that the temporary clubhouse and the set up for same is very far from a 5 start facility. i must be totally honest and say that the temporary facility, with Union Jack flag and Spanish flag weighed down with a breeze block, would be more in keeping with a campsite in Benidorm than a five start golf resort hoping to attract a calibre of clientele who will use a De Vere hotel (if and when it eventually is built.) The people running it no doubt mean well but come on, is this what we paid for?

I would be embarrassed to invite anyone there for even a drink during a round of golf much less a possible meal in the evenings. I think that we owners deserve better if only the relocation of the "hut/temporary classroom" to somewhere where we have a view of something and not every car passing with the back drop of temporary offices. Did no one in Calidona look at the temporary model they used in Roda situated overlooking the 16th and 18th greens and where we had proper chairs, tables and appropriately dressed professional staff? If Calidona is seriously hoping for more completions the issue of nowhere decent to eat in the resort and nowhere to meet other owners in the evening is a major issue which they should address sooner rather than later. The current layout in a car park beside a road through the resort which is used by workers and owners is an accident waiting to happen in the summer season. Hopefully as most people are convinced that Corvera are reading all of the postings they will take note and act on this urgently. 

Don

Thank you Don.  One of the most realistic and constructive postings made in a very long time.  Without a decent Clubhouse buyers will be reluctant to complete and golfers will be reluctant to visit, with the amount of courses in the immediate area preference will be given to courses with somewhere atmospheric / scenic to have a drink or a meal after their game.  Absolutely no disrespect to what Miguel is trying to achieve with the limited facilities made available.  It really is imperative now that work on the Clubhouse restarts.  It was posted on another forum that Corvera is the long awaited course to play - what better advertising could you ask for but without the associated Clubhouse, what a waste!!   Come on Calidonia.....
 

Thank you for the comments Fair Dues and I agree with the comments that regarding the site and this is excatly why you need a closed forum for people that have completed to start lobbying as a group ,and by the way Marco Polo, this needs to be administered by an owner

There is a very easy way to check ownership which I will not discuss on here

Really the structure of he whole ring road is an accident waiting to happen, with the position of the play parks, and no traffic calming measures in place

What a shame that EOS has decided to ban JDY, i found him to be articulate,polite and more often than not very amusing. I think it smacks of double standards, just because the man doesnt adhere to a certain point of view.

Roy as you well know the "private" Corvera forum was set up as a place for those that decided to take legal action against Calidona and some people put a lot of hard work and effort to create it. However i dont know why you feel it has to be administred by an owner, surely if its invitation only then you could set it up and run it and choose who want to be in it?? You seem to have plenty of time to post on here so maybe that would be a good investment of time for your business, and i am sure everyone would appreciate it.

Fairdues, an excellent post in the main, obviously the reason why the atmosphere is a little more strained on here is due to the fact that Roda(calidona) was started earler and they managed to get people to part with their money and complete a lot quicker so the majority of people are in the same boat.This time around Corvera buyers had the benefit of seeing that calidona were not delivering what was promised on Roda and were now doing the same on Corvera. So there are more people that are in dispute and therfore a few more differences of opinion. Re Roy, nobody disputes that he does give some very useful advice and information, the problem is in what appears to be a desperate attempt to put his logo on as many threads as possible he starts adding comments to discussions that have no relevance to his field of "expertise" and generally winding people up. Only recently he started to pass judgement on the legalities of the case against Calidona. He seems very adept at lighting the fuse paper and waiting for the inevitable responses and then spends the next 5 posts saying what a great job he is doing as a snagger and how everyone is picking on him!

regds Dave

Very good post by fair dues with some positive views and also Criticism of calidona.......................but wait a minute isn't that exactly what this forum is all about.

Roy wants a forum for people who have completed but with positive comments only, I imagine if you are a negative completer you'll get barred ! It will be like a scene from Stepford Wives.

Dave

Where did it say that Roy actually wants a forum for people who have completed?

It was a general question put to EOS of the possibilty and he received a reply from Justin.