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Just been over to La Isla for client to have internet TV and a phone with internal and Spanish number installed and wishing I should have all of that as well.
However there are many owners who do not want internet or already have another system installed. Why should they loose their reduction on the community charge and be asked to pay more. A "no brainer" for them is no internet and save money. . When voting for something as an official personal preferences have to be put aside. If we are asking opinions of owners then how many Bank representatives said they would pay more or loose their reduction? Did anyone ask the Banks as they have a large vote.
Is there no way that the comunity can negotaite a deal with the new management of the A2Z that if x thousand have the package it will cost X euros and each garden pays for an emergency phone as this is a safety issue.
If the vote goes in favour then we could have a large group refusing to pay extra .
The figure of 2 euros does not take into account the reduction we are about to get.
I have asked around and for 2 euros most want it, but when you say its actually costing 5 euros then some waiver and when I get to 10 then a lot do not want it.
So how much a month are you to prepared to pay for the full package. ? Should we look at comunity paid wi fi hot spots instead as most new phones would use that. The Al Kasar should be providing free wi fi.
Each garden and the Al Kasar should have an internal phone so that we can call security and an ambulance , and the comunity should pay for an internal phone at security.
This issue is not as simple as Internet for 2 euros I pay 37 eur a month for Polaris Telecom and that does not include my comunity contribution so personally D for me
How much would you pay a month?
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Community paid wifi hotspots would be even better, if this is cheaper (Which I would expect).
Great idea!
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Community paid wifi hotspots would probably be more popular and busier than either the bar or restaurant ( do we still have a restaurant ? ) We could call it " Lapland " ( because of all the laptops being used there ) lol .
A very good option though and if the telecoms are discussed at the AGM it is an idea that could be put forward to be explored.
Ken
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Lapland!! lol love it! Does make the place lool like the lobby of a typical business hotel!.. Oh and thanks for the apology earlier, not used to that on this forum, it moved me!
Community paid wifi hotspots would also save individuals the cost of routers, plus the trouble of setting them up. I also find routers when switched off for months and turned back on, generally can be troublesome.
Some of the larger gardens may require 2 hotspots, but I am sure that each hotspot could easily serve 50-100 properties (bearing in mind occupancy rarely hits 20%) so the monthly cost per apartment would be minimal.
I would fully support this proposal, even more than the 2BM line in everybodies apartment, however either one would be a vast improvement on the current situation.
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Are you sure WiFi hotspots would be cheaper? There would still be maintenance costs for these and the required bandwidth would need to be paid for, the same as for individual lines (which are already installed).
I also wonder if the service would be a bit hit and miss, especially in the summer when most people are there.
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2 euros extra instead of a reduction an would still need to buy a router and get it installed I presume? As an infrequent visitor owner I've just bought a mobile dongle!
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As an infrequent visitor I also bought a dongle (and know a few others who had/have them).
But I've found it so unreliable its just turned into a frustration (as have others)
I'd rather not spend any extra money but I think overall for the resort it is a good thing.
Plus I think the internal phones are also a great benefit as you meet people from different gardens and different areas.
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would wi fi hot spots work ? I have wi-fi but can not see the computor screen outside? so whose house would be used??
Option B for those who read it does not include parts so when transmitters etc break down we could end up paying more than we do now!
Option D includes all for 2-3 € extra plus 2 meg Internet and Internal Phone
Modem costs 80€ or Modem with Wi-Fi 150€ phone possibly connection charge but buy your own from chinese if you want external its 12€ month plus tax but calls to UK are not cheap!
if option B was choosen then it costs 80 € modem plus 54€ if you want internet swit5chjed on for 1 month
VOTE FOR OPTION D (my Opinion)
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Are we wired for cable or ADSL in the apartments? If cable then surely we can just supply our own router, if ADSL we could supply our own ADSL modem/router. Either way you can pick a wifi version up for around £30. As far as I am aware, both versions have the capability to enter the required login details of the ISP. I suppose it depends how greedy the provider is....they could always insist that they provide a locked router at an inflated price.
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I note that in actual fact while it would cost just €2 euro to get this package you may save more by not taking it in the first place. This is the first time I have seen this detail on the forum as no information is forthcoming from my President. I do think though that this will really only benefit the residents in its current form and more value may be obtained for the resort and visitors by installing a “Wifi Mesh network” or a simple “Hot spot network” for the resort rather then trying to connect individual units. You would need at least 2-3 units to service a typical garden location unlike what has been said and the reality is unless a commercial system is installed with radio units on the light poles connected to a fibre backbone the range and throughput may be limited. You may also require a repeater in your apartment so as to get the best result. This message is though that this works if engineered properly and is in use on many complexes such as ours in Europe.
Critically there is no mention of the contention ratios of the Internet package and the backhaul capacity plans out of Condado for what is on offer which is key to the quality of the overall package. I assume that this is being checked realizing that anything above a 24:1 contention ratio may leave users experiencing large levels of congestion during heavy traffic periods. For example if Polaris are offering 2mbps to all homes and 1000 units take this up, you would require a 2Gbps of backhaul capacity to make this wire speed. This would be extremely expensive for Polaris and knowing how this really works, I suggest the backhaul trunk will be 100mbps or less at maximum out of the resort if on fibre and less again if on radio. Working out the maths, I suggest that we may actually be talking about a 48:1 contention ratio which will be heavily congested during the peak season when the resort is busy and lighted loaded during the off season. I hope in the negotiations that these figures are being checked and doubled checked as what you see may not be what you get!
David
This message was last edited by mageed on 20/05/2011. This message was last edited by mageed on 21/05/2011.
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David sounds like he knows what he's talking about and hopefully the presidents are on top of this.
I think the contention ratio has been raised, but not as specifically, by others who are worried that it may be fine all year except for the peak holiday times, which is the only time when a lot of us will get to use it.
I agree that would need to be locked down into any contract. I moved from two broadband suppliers in Dublin because although I had no problems during the day I started having connection/speed issues around 7pm. The providers said there were no problems but a friend said it would be the contention ratio as everyone went online after work.
I still keep the view that Option D is the best option for the resort in general.
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Interesting comments guys. It's still Option D for me. Wifi hotspots would not do anything to improve the contention ratios on the backhaul and they already have DOCSIS Cable Modem Head end equipment installed so, from a pure infrstructure cost, this is the best way forward.
I declare a slight bias as I have already bought a the Cable Modem but,. when it comes to stability and security, it is worth the extra cost for each Apt.
This will help the resort become a better connected place that will attract more of us to spend longer there.
Just my tuppence worth......
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I agree we have to think wider picture and long term!
The resort is crying out for improvements and ther internet/TV option is one small step.
Surely it is not just an issue of whether you use the internet or not?
For 2 euros it is something that improves the viability of the whole resort.
Paul
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Can someone clarify that for the extra 2 euros a month there will be no additional charge for data usage. I.e. the 2 euros is for unlimited upload / download usage and that we don't then have to subscribe to a data package from A2Z?
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I certainly understood it to be the only charge unless you wanted the faster connection.
Considering you can already pay a monthly charge to get broadband I would be surprised if this option was only providing the "line" and data charges were extra.
But maybe one of the presidents can confirm.
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If and IF the option for Internet for 2€ was selected then it would be 2mb unlimited use.
You would still have to buy the modem etc
Its a BIG IF
Would be nice but i cant see it happening.
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Mick,
Why dont you think it will happen, it seems to have almost universal approval from most of the posters on this thread and these are the people who will be voting?
Is there something we dont know?
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Darren this thread / forum represents a very small portion of eligable voters
I know nothing more than you other than?
There are 3200+ properties quite a large number owned by banks.
Its highly unlikely the banks will vote for any increase in the Budget and also Spanish owners have no interest in International TV Internal Phones and Internet I believe the Majority of these will vote against any Increase in Budget for Telecomms or any other increase.
Spanish owners have been against any Telecoms budget since day one as all they need is a set top aerial to recieve all their channels so in theory dont or should not need to be paying for the System we have. (but everyone has too)
If it was only EOS voters then yes decision has been made..
how many non Spanish attend the AGM Last year there was about 200 people at theAGM and i would say only 30 were non Spanish.?
This is where i base my opinion.
The number of proxys held by those attending is an unknown.
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Darren
We are back to the Presidents issue again.
I would have thought people would have seen and had enough of what happens if there is apathy towards the election of presidents. You get a group of like minded people running the place (and not for the benefit of the majority).
At the risk of repeating my self again, the only way this will change is electing people who want to see Condado improve and progress.
Paul
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Darren,
For once I feel for you and believe you to be right to be asking for the internet.
I am unsure of the full aspects of the deal but feel this is a "no Brainer". To have the Facility of Broadband and the other benefits that come with the offer this has to be a better setup for the site.
On La Isla; this decision; did not come without it's critics and still we do not have the system in yet, but at least it was voted for (including the Spanish and Polaris world who still own many apartments).
Do not give up your fight push for it.
Neil
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