Extraordinary Mileniun newsletter

Pgm I am a new Owner so I don't have the facts to comment on what is being said on here but would like to read the minutes from the meetings can you tell where I can find these minutes thanks

Dear All

As both parties are meant to represent us all this should be resolved in a public manner and not behind closed doors, so that we get to hear and find out the truth, I know of Phil Tann and know of ML yet I dont know him or any member of ML in person, therefore my thoughts and views are not influenced by any friendships that may have been forged either with Phil or ML.

Giles.

You have to be signed up to ML web site.

Go onto web site.

Documents.

Minutes of regular meetings.

http://www.condadodealhama.eu/portal/ml-documentos.php

Looking at this thread many of you have already decided someones guilt before all facts have been put forward!!

In my opinion the last place that this dispute should be sorted out is on THIS PUBLIC FORUM!!

You all talk of professionalism and honesty and integrity.

Do any of you seriously believe that this should be discussed on this forum for not only owners to see but the WHOLE WORLD!!

This thread and the other smack of a "Kangaroo Court" and should be stopped.

Both ML and ALL the presidents should sit around the table and discuss a suitable way forward with independent witnesses to the meeting, not a mass gang or witchhunt..

I hope Phil Tann does not rise to the bait and post any response to the allegations made towards him on this forum!!

THAT WOULD BE A DISASTER WITH NO WAY BACK FOR ANYBODY!

As this is a public matter concerning the whole community, we have a right to discuss this topic on this thread.

I do agree that ML and all the Presidents should sit down and discuss the matter, although my thought are that this would not be conducted in a professional manner and my guess is it would get rather heated and people would walk out of the meeting.

Following the allegation made by ML in their letter, Phil Tann I believe must come back with counter comments, not necessarily on EOS.

As a tabloid would do, if the claims are not factual and Phil can show this, ML should in due course send out a letter of applogy to all residence and Phil.

Yet I have to say that the contents of the letter from ML do show some incriminating evidence.

Giles.

 I always try to refrain from posting on this site as it is an open forum.

Hi all

I am an owner, but not resident, so do not have close relationship with either of the parties.

In my experience over the last few years Millenium seem to have moved the resort on in leaps and bounds since taking over management and I have always found them to be helpful and curteous when I have visited the office. But essentially they are employed by all of us and if they are asked to provide certain information that relates to the finances they should and making personal attacks via email is not an accpetable business practice.

Being out here at the moment, they seem to have sent this email at a perfect time for them.

Also, unlike some people who have posted so far, I do know who Phil Tann is. In saying that, he is not a personal friend and I have have limited contact with him over the years. Due to this contact we are in a position to say hello to each other, knowing who we are, but not to a point where we have a beer to chew the fat.

The experience I have had with Phil is that he has been more than helpful any time that I have asked for it, probably more than he needed to be.

This all should have been sorted behind closed doors, but I just wanted those who do not know Phil and only have an opinion of him from the Millenium email, have another persons view.

Cheers all

Steve

Naranjos 2

Ambush!

Who is 'blue velvet' a stirrer of few previous posts maybe.

Lets not all be niave- there's far more to this than meets the eye.Do ML provide all the info as required by law to the Presidents- I don't think so. Do they work fairly for all owners or are there cultural preferences, persuasions- maybe , maybe not? Don't presume you know what is going on just because we have nice new bars, and restaurants a few fietsas and a new golf club house.  There is much much more to running a resort and CdA has debts no doubt about it- how are tenders managed you must ask yoursleves- who gets those jobs?

 I expect some strong personalities are wanting to be the main President - how to go about it- ambush- a coup!

Have no opinion on if ML are the right company for the job or if Phil has exceeded his authority (though I''d expect thats coz he is fighting for the right things to occur if that was the case)

I don't think anyone who isnt a President can know the reality... don't be niave.

For all those 'half-wits' calling for the resignation or sacking of Phil Tann based on a highly unprofessional correspondence from ML including out-takes of forum postings without even knowing 10% of the other side of the story, well you go ahead and put your x in the box. It all very much smacks of 'ball in the playgound' to me.

Hopefully, seeing as you are so learned as to cast judgement without having all the evidence, your 'all seeing - all healing' powers will be a massive asset to us & the resort so get yourselves nominated to take over the role. I somehow doubt that the self-sacrificing nature of that position would be of interest to you.

I have read with interest the posts (well some posts!!) on this thread and I also think ML do a reasonable job which lets face it they are paid to do so we are within our rights to expect a good job to be done on our behalf.

However I am now extremely disappointed that ML have sent such an e-mail out which is totaly unprofessional, ill thought out and I agree with others on here, a hachet job!!!!   I must admit that ML have gone down in my estimation sending this correspondence out when some of the points are pretty pathetic.  Grievances should be dealt with in private not aired on a public forum especially when only one side of the grievance has been put forward.

Come on folks please don't judge when not in receipt of the full facts

I keep on questioning myself  wondering who is responsible for the progress on CDA and 1 hand tells me Millenium but the other is starting to tell me more IRM. This is part of the problem when you own a property in a foreign country dealing with people from a different cultural background who I wrongly assumed from day 1 had the same business ethic as the people I deal with in the UK. I am used to getting things done and the frameworks we all work to in the UK help support that - in Spain a very different story and a position I hadn't ever experienced until 1 year after I bought my apartment. Big lesson learned here for me!!

I have to keep reminding myself that early this year on 28/01 I wrote a letter of compliant to Millenium regarding the situation with the lake on La Isla. Copy and paste below and we are now in August and still no formal response received.

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Please could you advise as a matter of urgency if the unacceptable water levels on La Isla are close to being resolved? I would appreciate if you could let me know either way before I ask my solicitor to proceed any further and if no sign of resolution I have made contact with the national press in the UK who are very keen to do a story on this. I will be making contact with them within the next week if no sign of resolution and will be looking to expose the disgusting treatment of the PW customer base.

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I have since spoke to them face to face and I guess they don't know what they don't know but I do not and cannot accept that. I appreciate things are tight in Spain but the business ethic and under hand ways of doing business then you can't help but think they only have themselves to blame for a lot of this. Considering Spain has seen the main benefit from EU funding its surprising that they appear to be a country that operates with so little controls. They are not in isolation as we all know and countries like Italy are just as bad and as a result how can you expect the economies to be stable. The unfortunate position for us all is that this bad practice at the highest level then comes the accepted practice at the lower levels and where do you go from there.

I wrote a lot in anger last night but like other posts I agree there is always 2 sides to every story. I have no loyalty either way as my main objective is to ensure the resort I bought on in good faith has an acceptable level of facilities but the basics like filling the lake are a definate must. I still can't believe that someone can get away with leaving a half filled lake that is attracting rats eating dead fish. Not quite the experience I imagined when I think back to the dream that we bought into listening to the smarmy Jose from Polaris in his adverts along with Jack Nicklaus. From a health and safety perspective this cannot continue but even when you complain no-one listens. We will send the rat catcher is what I was told with bate - he would have needed a shot gun for the 1 I saw as it wouldn't have fit in a trap. 

I have spoke at length this afternoon with Phil Tann and I do have sypathy in the way in which this has been handled in particular whilst he was on holiday but I am still struggling to see a way forward. From what I can see there is an urgent overall required of working practices and some of this has to be put out to the wider communities for review and comment.

If Millenium want to have the sole website - then let's have a website that works effectively. I will be writing an official letter into them this weekend highlighting the following proposals:

• Community Web Site - Need to be more clear who each of the presidents are and there contact details and needs to be visible on their site plus in the office. Badly need profiles as I have no clue who is who and who does what.
• Meetings - Do wo have proper terms of references for each meeting with adequate representation to everyone's voice is heard I would like to have the opportunity to feed in but I have no idea how to do this at the minute?
• Communication Strategy - Newsletters that work and highlight and track the key issues across the resort and not just a picture of the gardners.
• Forum - for vote. Surely in this modern day and age we could get a but more advanced with technology via web voting and suggestions. There appears to be enough IT people on this site including myself who could help advise on a framework (and before anyone asks no I want charge). In my view we need to explore the IT route more as this will help to address many of the oversea's owners concerns.

Does anyone know if Jack Nicklaus ever come to officially sign-off and open the CDA course? I know IRM are trying to help in a difficult climate but I can't help but think there are some basics that we are missing out on that could be implemented quickly to help.

I have had a very open and frank discussion from Phil this afternoon and he expressed a convincing response on a number of counts and I am starting to think the way of doing business in the UK is just not compatible with the Spanish way and the current structure is just not helping to get the best results. Clearly the the way he was talking he comes from a background of governance and control and you do wonder if this control has just got out of hand for the way the Spanish do business and the relationship simply not working. I am not convinced either way at the minute and all I want is for a great resort with a lake that is full and a good community site with great comms. Vale Do Lobo in Portugal has this and we should strive to get to this same position as well.

Have a good weekend all.

Mark

Hallelujah, finally we have sensible people replying to this thread ,

At last weeks Presidents meeting  which I attended and Mileniun were present, all these accusations where read out, Phil Tann had an answer for every question that was raised to which every President, Spanish and non Spanish were totally happy with.  He even offererd his resignation to the Presidents if anyone thought he was not doing his job professionally.  There was not one President at the meeting that wanted his resignation and everyone was happy with Phils explanations and all the hard work he does for our community. I thought that this was the end of these accusations and I don't know why Mileniun have sent this email to all owners, maybe its because they did not get the results they were hoping for at the Presidents meeting, and maybe they have a gripe with Phil, but one thing I do know is that we have an excellent level one President. 

Phil is on holiday until the end of the month and has no internet while he is away so it seems very cruel for Mileniun to send out this email at this present time when they know he cannot defend himself to the owners.  I know that when he is back he will answer any questions that owners ask of him.

I will say this to all owners, every President is an owner on our resort so every President wants the best for our resort .

Sleep well.

Dave.

Pretty cultural , a cup of tea!

Opinions are one thing- statements are another.

Trying to stage a coup when one member is on holiday isnt right and strikes me as needing to find an advantage.

Please folks dont be taken in by all smoke and mirrors.

i agree with the pgm statement but the thing i dont like is our president on 5 going round with these statements and knocking on our door to provide them for us to read either in english or spanish this is a massive witch hunt and the guy is away on hols

Mark,

Excellent post there. It might highlight to some of the folks who seem impressed with countless photographs of some grass cutting or of a lamp that has been fixed to the path. I do appreceate the updates myself and it is light years better than the previous non-communication, but the fact of the matter is that the real key issues are not transparrent at all.

I feel real real sympathy for you owners on La Isla as realistically you have more like an Island Wilderness than an Island Paradise. Cosidering the premium you paid for your 'privelidged position' and everything that was supposed to come along with it you are quite right to feel seriously agrieved and totally ripped off. It must really hurt to see those self same apartments being cleared out at 65,000 euros.

i like others find it very difficult to come to terms with this laid back, do nothing attitude which seems to be the Spanish way and can well understand why the likes of Phil Tann would become frustrated and then refuse to drop everything in his own social time when they finally decide to get round to something that he probably asked them to process weeks ago.

So for those that want to hang, draw & quarter Phil....................get bloody real !

Regards,