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28 May 2007 12:00 AM by brutus Star rating. 80 forum posts Send private message

I havent had a chance to look into the debt out standing for community charges on PM3 and PM4 but I am sure it is likely to the same as PM1 & PM2. There is 8000 Euro out standing on PM1 and at least 50% would appear to be Interlarken. However on PM2 there is 85,000 Euros owed to the community account and ammex have advised that a majortiy of this relates to Interlarken debts. I am outraged that they that not delivered on the property which is substandard and then they dont pay thier share of the community charges. 

A meeting was held at in the Uk at the week end with owners from PM1 PM2 and PM4 all of who are keen propoactive people who  will be present at the forth coming agms .If Interlarken have debts they should have no vote at the. Also it was agreed that whoever is elected they will be approached by community purchasers to commence immediate proceeding against Interlarken to pay thier community debt , this is already in the agend for the agm. I expect with PM3 &PM4 debt added I expect they owe in the region of 200,000 euro to the community. I stress that if you speak to anyone thinking of completing please advise them they to hang on until Interlarken have paid thier debts to the community, tell them to instruct thier solicitor that they require proof that Interlarken have paid all debts owing to the community before they complete.

 I thnk access to the site should be restricted if they have failed to pay thier debts before the end of July. They are parking thier cars on our roads and in our parking spaces at the front of the site making it unsightly they have no right to do this . They are walking onthe community path ways around the hotel areas and they havent paid so they shouldnt be given access.  If they have not paid up to date they should not be able to use the facilities or the access. I urge everyone to contact  ammex for debts against their apartment that should have been paid by Interlarken to  Ammex prior to completion . They demanded that we turned up at the notary with a payment of 850 euros to Ammex and they hadnot even paid thier own share  - Outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!! We were advised by Interlarken solicitor to our solicitor that we could not complete with out this payment to Ammex.

I am absolutely fuming mad .  I am out there in a weeks time and I will be literally camping in thier offices over this until it gets paid  !!!!!!!!! 

Posters will be put up on site this week and leaflet drops next week advising unsuspecting owners of the situation . Interlarken must be made to honour thier commitment. It has left PM2 with literally no money carried forward in thier budget for the new accounting year. The communities are going to quickly fall into debt if this happens again.

No wonder Interlarken as president would not instruct Ammex to improve the gardens with planting etc because it would have exposed the fact that there was not money in the account to pay for anything other than the bare essentials as they have not made thier payments!!!!!

Interlarken PAY UP.

 

 

 




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29 May 2007 11:56 AM by noddy Star rating. 150 forum posts Send private message

i completed yesterday in pm4.

interlaken had been pushing for months for me to complete. in march i was told by ammex that 2 quarters were owed on the property by interlaken (613e ). i assumed interlaken would clear its own debt on my apartment with some of my completion monies, but this obviously is not happening.

i suppose the access rd is a private rd. it would be easy to park cars across the rd to stop building work!

at the end of the day interlaken must  pay up and i feel ammex must be instructed to sue interlaken

i didnt realise there wasa meeting in uk last w/end as i am quite willing to get involved

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29 May 2007 11:56 AM by noddy Star rating. 150 forum posts Send private message

i completed yesterday in pm4.

interlaken had been pushing for months for me to complete. in march i was told by ammex that 2 quarters were owed on the property by interlaken (613e ). i assumed interlaken would clear its own debt on my apartment with some of my completion monies, but this obviously is not happening.

i suppose the access rd is a private rd. it would be easy to park cars across the rd to stop building work!

at the end of the day interlaken must  pay up and i feel ammex must be instructed to sue interlaken

i didnt realise there wasa meeting in uk last w/end as i am quite willing to get involved

noddy




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30 May 2007 12:30 AM by ef Star rating in Oxfordshire / Casare.... 150 forum posts Send private message

I looked into this issue last week as it arose on our apartment (not yet completed). From what I can gather from a couple of different sources, legally the new owner is liable for fees from the date of completion. At completion, the Notary SHOULD ask for a certificate to prove that the debts are up to date, but clearly this isn't happening. There are owners who have completed whilst Interlaken still owe the fees.

Even more worryingly, our solicitor has given me a woolly reply to my query, basically trying to say that we are liable for the community fees before completion, which I now know is not correct!!

If all who have not completed put their foot down about this, we have some collective clout to get some cash handed over asap. As Brutus pointed out below, if the fees haven't been paid over, Ammex can't spend it on the gardens, can they? Some contracts are with OVH, not IL, so it's OVH who owe the fees. Good way of getting the completions grinding to a halt.




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30 May 2007 8:51 AM by houseclearou Star rating. 27 forum posts Send private message

It is the responsibility of the buyer's solicitor to research all previous debts e.g. community fees and where appropriate ensure these have been cleared prior to completion. If this hasn't been done then I know of cases where the new owners became liable for the debts. Sometimes knowingly but othertimes unwittingly. In Spain many debts follow the property rather than the individual. So perhaps your solicitor may be correct? It is impossible to say without knowing the full facts. If your solicitor is correct and owners continue to push Ammex for gathering all unpaid community fees then you could find that in many cases it is buyers (rather than Interlaken) that are technically the defaulters.


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31 May 2007 5:49 PM by noddy Star rating. 150 forum posts Send private message

having just completed i was very concerned about the shortfall in community fees allegedly owed by interlaken. ana munoz of ammex replied stating that "interlaken always pays what they must pay". i have bought in pm4 so

either no problem in pm4   or

ammex are lying                    or

interlaken have a different arrangement on fees pre completion. i have still been unabkle to access their website despite being given the codes but they dont seem to work.

hopefully many answers will be forthcoming at pm2"s  agm

noddy




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31 May 2007 7:02 PM by brutus Star rating. 80 forum posts Send private message

It was Ammex that highlighted that Interlarken owed the debt and recommended the community owners agree to take legal action against debtors at the forth comming agm. Also I wrote to Javier at Amex this week and he advised that Interlarken have said they will pay before the AGM and that was only yesterday .  

I will contact Javier tomorrow to clarify the issues




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