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I have had a private message from a lady who contacted me some time ago and wants to stay anonymous for good reason. I have permission and agreed to post this exactly as it was written by copy/paste.

I think everyone should read this. Now we know exactly what Huma are and what we are all up against.

If you go to see Huma go in threes & fours or take protection. Ask them upfront to guarantee not to assault you!

MESSAGE ....

Call me stupid but here is the continuing Saga.

Yesterday I took the law into my own hands and 'stormed the Bastille'...the Huma offices.   I wrote a letter demanding my money back saying that I would be in the lobby downstairs waiting for same.   You can tell from this that I have come to the end of my tether.

Pilar came and took my letter.   Then informed me that nobody there was going to do anything for me and I could wait as long as I wanted, that the office closed at 7pm and they would get me out by whatever means necessary.

I sat down in the lobby and within the hour another woman whose name I don't know came and took me aside and said they would give me my money after I had signed the cancellation letter.  This letter I've had for over a month and which I've not signed because I insisted they give a date when I would get my money.  This they have not done and still refused to do.   In March when I received this letter I was told that there was no more money being distributed for that month and I would have to wait until April.   This I did but despite numerous e-mails and phone calls last week I got no reply from anybody which is why I saw red and decided to take this action.  Apparently you can expect to wait up to 9 months after signing this letter and like everything to do with this company there are no guarantees.

Because they were expecting clients in the lobby area she asked me to sit in an office downstairs saying she would be back at 12.   I waited and waited and at 2.40 the security guard came and told me to leave the office which I refused because I was waiting for the women to return.  This guard is a really scary tough guy.

At 3.30 he returned with the woman who had put me in the office and physically removed me from the office.  He pushed me off my chair  and took it from underneath me,  grabbed my stuff and took them to the public lobby upstairs.  I waited there and my agent came and proceeded to tell me 'O dear you should'nt have gotten angry with them.  When you do that they just shut down!!!  They it seems can do as they please but you must not get angry with them.  I was'nt aware that I got particularly angry with them ,I simply demanded they give me a date.

When the shock and the full realisation of who I was dealing with set in I was persuaded by my agent to sign the letter of cancellation and left the office.

I was probably stupid to do what I did on my own because now, as my agent keeps reminding me, I have no witnesses to the man-handling and abuse I suffered, except of course the woman who put me there and stood by like a sargeant major and watched while this was going on.

I'm still in a state of shock .    The final humiliation was the realisation that my AGENT is a Huma man through and through.   Can anyone be more stupid!!!!!!

MESSAGE ENDS

I have no words to express how I feel. What about you?

What a terrible thing to happen to a lady on her own!

John

I also want to go to Huma offices and I have a plan of action.However unlike this brave lady I will not go on my own. The press needs to be present when dealing with these thugs.I am fully prepared to take the consequences of my actions because these people have to be exposed for whom they are and what lengths they will go to, no one will get anywhere just sitting around and waiting. What this poor lady had to go through is appalling and unacceptable and amounts to assault and her story has made me more determined than ever to carry out my plan. It is extremely likely,in fact it's a probable certainty that Huma have people monitoring sites such as this one so I daren't go into any details publicly. I won't even PM anyone until I have read previous posts from them to see where they stand because I am also sure some members are moles, in fact I am suspicious , rightly or wrongly of one particular person.

Regarding this lady's letter of cancellation, I was given one in May last year asking me to give up any rights to interest and deposit, and I refused to sign it under those conditions. Since then my solicitor tried to execute a BG with CajaMurcia and they refused. I have another BG which Huma refuse to give me( we have photocopiesof the original) until I renounce to execute it, this last part was written in Capital Letters and it was sent high importance, and I thought  it  was very nice of them to threaten this in writing.

To the lady who visited Huma,I am sorry for what you had to go through, but I congratulate you for getting up and trying to do something about it.

annie1

I think this lady is very brave to tackle this matter on her own.  It just shows Huma`s total disregard for us all.  They think we are such a pushover. They say you cant have your money back and we just sit and take it .  Meanwhile they are laughing all the way to the bank. To the lady concerned I sorry you were treated in this way but you have my total respect for at least doing something.  Perhaps a few more of us should try this approach but perhaps with a few men  with us they wouldnt be so quick to flex their muscles. Safety in numbers.

Alfie.

Be very, very, very careful when taking the law into your own hands.  Remember you will be on Huma's property, which is in Huma's town (not literally - but they are quite a well respected family in the area), in Huma's country, and that, in Spain, they tend to 'lock you up' first, then ask questions later (much later).

There is only one way to deal with Huma, if you don't want to work to their time-frame, and that is through the courts - a long, slow, labourious process, not to mention the expense (just like in the UK).

The other thing to remember is that:  The agents are/were selling agents, they are / were always working for Huma (their employer - the one that pays / paid them); they will / have never work with your best interest at heart.

hi annie1

im just checking dates out now and will be in touch when i no a date.

reguards to them removing me from their offices, i don't think they will try anything like that im 18 stone ex boxer judo expert but violence is not the answer

i just want to up the volume to them and let them no im pist of.

no threats just loud talking if need be

ted

Reidpj

I do not understand the motive for your posting.

No one is taking the law into their own hands - we are quite entitled to go to see Huma at their offices and ask when £40m of our money is going to get returned. Someone in the Huma empire is having a movie star life style on our money - is that a well respected company and family?

Contractually they should return our money - it is them that are unlawfully withholding our money. Our contracts are very clear.

If we wanted to transfer to another property or we were a new purchasher  - Huma would love to see us.

A number of people have sent me PM's asking if they think you are warning us off on behalf of Huma? Do you have an association with Huma?

Huma have no right to man handle an old lady whether in their own building or not. This is not the wild west!

At the end of the day - the lady showed immense courage!

John

Johnfozard

You say that no one is taking the law into their own hands - I suggest that you read the second line of the lady's message that you so kindly posted on her behalf, and some of the subsequent posts.

And, as to your suggestion that I am somehow connected to Huma; well there is more chance of you having made the lady's message up (for whatever ulterior motive) than there is of me being connected to Huma.  I got caught up in this mess, just the same as everyone else, and to suggest otherwise is disrespectful.

I didn't say (nor suggest) that you are not entitled to your money back; but 'storming' Huma's office won't get  it back, it will only serve to strengthen Huma's resolve and/or get you 'nicked'.  Huma are a well 'respected' local company (I've checked with the local Spanish), who have quite a lot of local influence.  Only a fool would attempt to take the on in their own patch - remember that the Police are employed at a local level.

Your only realistic chance of having your money returned (if you don't want to wait, or if you don't want to massage Huma's macho Spanish ego (which, probably, wouldn't work anyway), is to use the law against them, and hope (and I do mean hope) that you are successful.

If you want to do something constructive, why don't you hit Huma where it will hurt; organise a mass demonstration at the Tabernas site; which is their (and their preferred agents') main source of income.  But, please, remember to get permission from the local Town Hall before doing so, or they'll 'close' you down before you get out of your cars.

Huma will pay for their actions (and i do mean pay)

In response to reidpj, a famous quote springs to mind "The world is a dangerous place to live in, not because of the people who do evil,but because of the people who stand by and let them do it". That lady had every right to do what she did ,and I think your last post was offensive. Did you not stop to think that what you wrote might upset her more than she already was?, sometimes one's opinions are best kept  to ones'self.

What gives you the right to take it upon yourself to become the moral voice for the rest of us and suggest the best course of action?, To do so is an insult on people's intelligence and their ability to make up their own minds. If someone want's to protest in their own way it is nobody's business but their own, and I make no aplogy for the next quote "Only those who dare to fail greatly can achieve greatly".

In the case of Huma, I think most of us have learned that in this case, The pen is NOT mightier than the sword,  we may as well write in invisible ink for all the notice they take of the written word. This lady did what she thought was the only course left to her, don't degenerate her efforts, it's not very gentelmanly.

annie1

in my opinion, reid.p was only giving his advice taking into consideration the hard work he has put into the practicality of buying and living in spain, he was only giving his opinion of the best and only route to take regards the legal system in spain and i for one would definitely listen to his advice!!

regards being ex judo champion or whatever, or  huma are respected in the murcia area, it will be the courts that decide in the end, to give an example, have a look at cbnalmeria.com, regards the electricity company building pylons in mojacar,that will give you an idea of how the legal system works in spain, and this was the same judge that ordered the demolition of the priors home .

it"s bloody hard work getting to spain. but when you do it legally, what an acheivement!!!!!!

I also live in Spain, and I have a business in the Costa Del Sol. I was recently taken to court for not having insurance, despite the fact I did have it, it was simply not on the premises when the police decided they had nothing better to do that night but harass the local business community. Went to the court next day,insurance document in tow, only to be told  OK but a trial date has been set and we cannot cancel it. Day of hearing arrived and judged apologized said it was a mistake and I was aquitted. Same judge, same day, fined another person 10 euros per day  for not displaying his insurance, and may I add, this person was Spanish. There is simply no coherence, or logic in the way the justice system works over here. Please note, it took less than 2 months  from the date the police denounced me until the court case. How long have most of us been waiting. Tell me, where is the justice in that?. 

I am more than aware of how things work in this country, I love Spain, I love the people, I love the culture, but the corruption within the legal system stinks, it rivals that  of a third world country, and that is no exagerration.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and must act accordingly to their own conscience ,so let them do it.   I for one have said my last on this subject.

annie1

We do not live within a communist society so everyone has a right to freedom of speech.

What this person did by going to Huma was a very brave attempt at trying to obtain her money back, we all know about the legal route but this costs money and takes time.

People who have rolled over and taken another property from Huma are the ones i feel sorry for,but these people are now saying how one should go down the legal route.

If everyone had a mass rally with tv and newspapers outside Huma then we might have seen a different result.

If you add up all the 3000€ they are  refusing to return and all the deposits how can you say they are a respected family in the community. Is it a Mafia area?

Why would anyone want to purchase on another development with these people.

When you think that they started selling ACC in 2004. Sold 1300 properties. Some buyers paid 3 stage payments as per agreed contract ...........  (NOT JUST A DEPOSIT)

THEY hold a substancial amount of other peoples money.............

Huma seem to have their own laws and just keep getting away with it.  We have just started  an attempt to get our money returned to us.

After a face to face meeting with Huma whilst discussing a change of property all was fine.  As soon as we decided that the options they were offering were not acceptable to us and that we wanted a refund all changed and they wanted us to contact them only through our solicitor.

We have now done this and Huma's response is that as we only paid the deposit and first stage payment we had broken our contract therefore they will not return money.  The fact that we didn't make the second stage payment was because they hadn't supplied a bank guarantee for the first one and the money was held by our solicitor.

We are obviously now going to have to take them to court which is easier said than done and will cost a great deal and somehow I'm not at all sure we would win.  Huma have everything so well tied up legally they will probably just get away with it.

Common sense has nothing to do with Spanish law.

I admire the lady in question.  We also demanded our money returned within three days but got nowhere at all.  The gentleman on reception is obviously there for security only.  He didn't speak any English which you would expect from a receptionist but from size and manner not someone to disagree with.

As many people on this forum have previously stated you only get to know what Huma are like when requesting your own money to be returned. I don't like conflict or aggression and would rather deal with things in the correct way but there seems no correct way forward with this.

Huma are keeping tabs on things by reading forums such as this. (and they must be worried I hope)

They know the situation is getting serious and people are now becoming very serious about getting THEIR money returned fast. IT'S ALL HOTTING UP AND THE BUBBLE IS GOING TO BURST.

I'm not sure where Huma think they can run to. Maybe the man on the reception desk is the first thing to fend off innocent people claiming what is rightfully theirs?

Huma, if you read this - we , all of us,  will win the day believe us. and you will return all monies due to the good people that , in good faith, purchased a property from you that YOU failed to deliver.Shame on you. Also note this forum has 25,0000 + members and the www..

JUST REFUND EVERYONE TODAY AND MOVE ON -  PLEASE.

Having just returned from Spain this week I am upset I didnt read the post about the lady being thrown out. I would have made a point about going to the Offices.Anyway the point of this posting:

(1) We signed a power of attorney in Vera for Court proceedings.

(2) Our solicitor said that she had taken a charge out over the property we were buying on ACC. That means that if HUMA sell it the buyers are getting a debt. Any buyer will be put off by this to say the least....Please do the same....HUMA will have to pay you before they sell anything at ACC.....

(3) Huma could NOT issue bank guarantees for the second payment. The Bank would not extend the credit line. This means there was a credit problem in MAY 2005 before building stopped.

(4) HUMA are clearly in Breach of contract and the Court will/should recognise this.

(5) It could take 2 years to get our 24734 euros back.