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03 Jun 2008 12:00 AM by ogo Star rating in Norway. 125 forum posts Send private message

Please everybody. You may send this on e-mail to the editor of La Verdad cartasdirector@laverdad.es 
I certainly will, and the more people that sends - again - we are getting through. It helps!

Dear sir Editor. 
I am one representative for the customers of Trampolin Hills Project. 
Please find below what some of us consider to be the facts in the situation around the Trampolin Hills Project. 
Please also feel free to translate and print parts, or all of it, in you newspaper.
I am sorry that it is in English, but I unfortunately do not speak Spanish very well - yet.
Best regards
...



La Verdad – the truth: The truth of the Trampolin Hills Project
What is the truth about the Tampolin Hills project?
Let’s start with some facts:
1.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permission from the council to start selling apartments.
2.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permissions to raise the buildings on the ground.
3.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permissions to prepare the ground for the construction work included the golf court.
4.       Grupo Trampolin has started out this project with the right ambitions and truly believed that they would succeed.
5.       Grupo Trampolin has managed to sell almost all the apartments upfront.
6.       The buyers has checked the permissions, the validity of the permissions, the bank guarantees, the contracts, the Grupo Trampolin’s reputation in the market, and found nothing wrong.  Most of the buyers are professionals and very careful with their way of business.
7.       The project is now “on hold” due to some technical difficulties in the council of Campos del Rio.
8.       This situation is now threatening to suffocate the project, which once looked so promising. The customers, the clients, the workers, the company, the little man in the street are now suffering every day. People are struggling to keep their faith in the project and lawsuits are being raised.
Who are the actors in this play, and who has got something to loose in this project, and who wins?
The customers: The customers will lose their dream, including the money they have put into it, they will lose the belief in the Spanish governmental system, the beliefs in Spanish banks, Spanish law, Spanish entrepreneurs, etc.
The Client: Grupo Trampolin will lose their customers, their reputation, and their money.
The suppliers, and the suppliers suppliers: Waiting to deliver material to this project, will lose.
The workers and employees: With ambitions and hope to get this project going. They have spent some years of their life to sell and promote the development; if the project is stopped they may lose their job, and the effort that they have put into the project is worthless.
PSOE: The party is trying to get the wheel to go around, but today they are losing because someone has put a stick in to it. The Mayor is trying to hold onto his position, and if he does not succeed, he will be thrown and a new Mayor needs to be selected. They will lose.
PP: This party is the opposition and has stopped the development due to a technicality in Spanish governmental rules. They hide behind rules, but the party also has the possibility to solve the situation. I agree that rules should be followed, but sometimes the rules just don’t justify the consequences they have on “everyday people’s” life. Settlement between gentlemen is needed to solve the situation.
The solicitors: they will win anyhow, as always.
The newpapers: The newspapers have nothing to win or lose. They are just telling - the truth.
The “audience”: Will lose faith in their own system.
Conclusion: The only player that has a small possibility to win is the PP.  – but then again they lose too.
The people in this party, if it is “Peoples Party” or “Popular Party” do not live up to their name. If they win, that will only be short time; it is assumed that they will lose faith in the community by stalling this process any longer. The people of Campos del Rio that voted for this party should urge them to be part of the solution to this situation. Enforce them to be responsible – then they have a possibility to keep their face and to win – in the long run.
The council has a responsibility to find a solution
The Mayor and the council of Campos del Rio have a moral obligation to find a way out of this deadlock position. They need to show themselves as responsible rulers that are able to find solutions rather than problems.
 All are losers and there can be no winners in this game if the situation is not solved. The time is now for the parties to meet as gentlemen and find a way out of the situation. The permission should be given to start the construction work without any more delay.
The urgency of the situation is shown by the lawsuits that already are coming to Grupo Trampolin. Please act now so that people can rest assured that the project will go ahead – with only a minor delay. It is still time to rescue the situation, but the time and patience are running out.
What happens if the project is stopped: The lawyers will of course be very pleased with the situation, but the rest of the players will be caught in a battle that will last for years – and still end up as losers.
The ground is prepared, the workers are ready, the apartments and houses are sold, and the suppliers are ready to deliver material, the customers are ready to see some action, the inhabitants of Campos del Rio needs some development in the area.
A little word about Antonio
As for everything that is written about Antonio Martinez, you all must bear in mind that he is the employer of many people that has faith in him, and has built up relationship with buyers, suppliers, partners, etc.  He has started this company for a reason – not to fool people – but to make their dream come through. And by doing this he earns some money, yes. But why shouldn’t he – Right now, Antonio is the one that has most to lose: his name, reputation, money and friends.  All of you that envy his position should try to start a company and try to do what he is doing, imagine yourselves in his shoes right now. You Spanish people should be really proud of him instead of kicking dirt in his face – he is one of your kind – A Spanish company with Spanish money and a Spanish owner – support him!
He is not representing an international company that takes the money out of Spain after he has earned them, but he brings money into Spain, and the money stays there to develop Spain further. And that’s what this really matters in the long run - for Spain.
SO PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON.
HELP US ALL TO KEEP THE FAITH –that this project will fly and that we can enjoy our place in the sun. We all have everything to gain - and little time to solve the situation.




This message was last edited by ogo on 6/3/2008.

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03 Jun 2008 8:28 PM by cpboyd Star rating in BELFAST N/IRELAND. 89 forum posts Send private message

HI OGO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT AND I MUST COMMEND YOU FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU MUST HAVE SPEND WRITING THAT I HAVE JUST SENT IT ALL IN AN E-MAIL AND HOPEFULLY WE GET THE RESPONSE WE NEED PLEASE PLEASE EVERYBODY GET BEHIND THIS AND SEND THE E-MAIL IT CAN ONLY DO GOOD.

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03 Jun 2008 8:42 PM by juliet454 Star rating. 99 forum posts Send private message

Hi,

I completely agree Ciaran, and Well Done Ogo!  it is a very informative and realistic email.

I have also sent it on to the editor.

Thanks again for your time and efforts Ogo!

Chris


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03 Jun 2008 9:20 PM by norsoa Star rating. 9 forum posts Send private message

Hi,

Well Done Ogo!

I have also sent it on to the editor.

Sonny



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03 Jun 2008 9:28 PM by broadfield Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

Very well done OGO.  We have sent the e-mail to the Editor


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03 Jun 2008 10:09 PM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

Yes me too. Keep the pressure guys.

Thanks OGO.

Just been on the Spanish forum and they seem a bit more optimistic (they are usually the opposite) Apparantly even La Caixa bank has been putting lots of pressure on the council.


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04 Jun 2008 2:49 PM by ROUGHDIAMOND Star rating in Bristol. 88 forum posts Send private message


Hi OGO

I have sent your very well drafted letter to LAVERDAD I have also sent it to COSTA BLANCA NEWS and I have also sent it to THE SUN, and to THE DAILY MAIL (in the uk) to see if they wanted to floowing up the article that that ran on 21st january 2007 about Julie & Paul Bennet having their house siezed which they had won on the Richard and Judy Show.

you never know we might even get something in the British press and the more pressure we can get on the the council might make the difference.

Keep up the good work.

regards
Brian



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04 Jun 2008 3:17 PM by ROUGHDIAMOND Star rating in Bristol. 88 forum posts Send private message



Hi all

while I was thinking about it I also sent it to Gordon Brown, Liam Fox (my local MP) and David Cameron, you never know they might even read it.........

regards
Brian


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16 Jun 2008 10:04 PM by Clavel Star rating. 8 forum posts Send private message

I have only just read this and mostly I agree with you!!
HOWEVER!!! Antonio should have the guts to speak to his clients personally, when they visit his H.O!.!! HE DOES  NOT!!! He hides behind PIlar Cano, who is probably, now getting fed up!!! Well, she was when we last went and had a meeting with her!!!
However, Trampolin Hills and Antonio, have to understand, that, when their clients have put their very hard  earned cash, UP FRONT, they want answers!! And if the answers aren't forthcoming, they want their money back!!!
We have had , byy telephone, and in writing, from Pilar Cano, herself, Lawyer to Trampolin Hills, that, if it was our choice, we could have our deposits back!!!  What a liar she is!!!  When our Lawyer telephoned her to discuss it, she said they are NOT giving money back!!!
Hey ho!!!   European Courts next we think!!


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17 Jun 2008 8:42 AM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

HI, afraid to say what Clavel is saying is true. Last week my solicitor tried to get our money back, to no avail.

Antonio should really be making an appearance, at least in the papers. But he appears not to be able to do this, for whatever reason.

He has not even bothered to contact any of his clients. Which is nothing new really when you consider the last 2-3 years.

Jackie


p..s I cant see anything happening at the town hall for a while either,in Spain most public/government bodies/civil servants etc are on holiday from July onwards. So a bit of wait till they reconvene i.e. September

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17 Jun 2008 9:30 AM by TVJ Star rating in Orpington, Kent. 76 forum posts Send private message

We are off to TH on Friday.  I have been trying to get a response from email to Pilar since 28 April regarding a meeting and other issues.  I have to say she is the most ignorant so-called (unqualified) solicitor I have had to correspond with in all my 27 years of working in solicitors.  She hasn't got the decency in her to acknowledge anything.  But she will on Friday.  The only person who responds is Jane but she says there is nothing she can do or say because it is not in her jurisdiction.  It was perfectly ok 3 years ago when we were all putting our deposits down and being told to rush out and pick all the fixtures & fittings.  When you ask who your point of contact is nobody has an answer.  When we went up to TH back in December for a meeting with Pilar (she gave us the date and time) only to fnd that she hadn't turned up.  There never seems anybody available to see or speak with but there were plenty when we were buying.  Even Antonia has been there on one occasion and I asked to speak to him but was told that he doesn't speak English.  Well he bloody well did when we were handing over our money.  One receptionist said to me:  "When I was in Engand I spoke English" as if to say "You are in Spain and you should speak Spanish".  Of course she is quite right, I do speak Spanish, and it is getting better but not enough to get over what we need to tell them.  Then again I don't see the point anyway because even if you did speak Spanish there's never anyone available to speak to you.  

I will report back next week to let you all know what happens.


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17 Jun 2008 10:20 AM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

Hi Tracy,

Thanks for update about going over. Wish you all the best of luck with GT/ Antonio and Pilar, ( I would definitely try to corner them into some answers) and hope you get some news for all of us. Fingers crossed. I agree with everything you say about their communication skills. As you mention they were quite happy taking our money, the least they could give us back is some sort of feedback and courtesy!!

As you say, most of us I am sure are learning Spanish, and it takes time. We can only try our best lol.

Jackie





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20 Jun 2008 8:51 AM by broadfield Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

I have just found this posting on the Grupo Trampolin Website.  I assume they mean Friday the 20th.

Can anybody get there ? Presumably La Verdad or someone similar will report on what is said at the press conference.

Hoy, Viernes 19 de Junio de 2008 a las 12:00 del medio día tendrá lugar una rueda de prensa en el Hotel Siete Coronas para explicar la situación de desbloqueo y las solciones que se han tomado para sacar adelante nuestro proyecto de Campos del Río "Trampolin Hills Golf Resort"

Today, Friday June 19, 2008 at 12:00 noon will be held a press conference at Hotel Seven Crowns to explain the situation and unblocking solciones that have been taken to bring forward our draft Campos del Río " Trampolin Hills Golf Resort "


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20 Jun 2008 10:03 AM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

Will keep an eye on Laverdad.es today/tomorrow I guess...


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21 Jun 2008 11:10 AM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

PLEASE SEE BELOW FOR LATEST NEWS FROM LAVERDAD.ES (BEST TRANSLATION USED) 21 JUNE

Group Trampolín says that the House will give the green light to its draft next Thursday
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Group Trampolín says that the House will give the green light to its draft next Thursday
Is victory?. Juan Francisco Canales, Diego de Ramon, a representative of Trampolín Group and its chairman, Antonio Martínez, yesterday after announcing the possible release of their project.

. Group Trampolín states that the commission Rathausreport shall be accountable for the correction of deficiencies detected that the Autonomous Region in the draft on Tuesday and that the House will give the green light to the project next Thursday.

 According to sources from the regional executive, the mayor-Miguel Navarro-can not unlock her vote in favor of the project for the construction of 2,500 housing units until November, provided they comply with the law "absolute".

The local spokesman, Miguel Buendía, maintains its position of rejecting the construction of the complex and contested the House on Thursday if there is approval on it.
Is Light at the end of the tunnel or a simple avoidance manoeuvre?

Group said yesterday through its chairman, Antonio Martínez, and his lawyer, Diego de Ramon, who plenary council of River Fields would green light to build 2,500 homes in the town next Thursday.

Specifically, De Ramon said that the consistory Campero has called for a commission briefing on Tuesday in which you will find the changes that the Autonomous Region has imposed on the project Trampolín Group, to be followed by a plenary session on Thursday in which ordinary 'To win the lost time "endorsing the plan Partial, reparcelling and urbanization of land on which will rise urbanization.

It is imperative that both the mayor, Miguel Navarro, as the councilman Carlos Bartholomew vote, something the PSO ruled out-at least in the case of first noviembre»
"The mayor has to fulfill the two years that the law sets a deadline between their last employment relationship with Grupo Trampolín and a vote affecting the group, and that is met in November, 'said yesterday Truth Jose Ramon Jara, spokesman PSO's regional.

Jara said that the House confirmed on Thursday-even as the local-DB is already convened and does not include on its agenda none of the points that representatives of the Group Trampolín will argue that forward.. The socialist spokesman said he had spoken with the mayor Navarro and that the situation had not changed anything.

Socialists, however, left open the possibility that in November the project go ahead "if the project is perfect,. According to the PSO, the main problem for Group Trampolín adjournment 2,500 homes in Campos del Río "is not political but legal, so if the Autonomous Region receives modifications to the project -" we know that they are not major " He added Jara-and these pass the pending legal approval by the Directorate General of Urbana, the House of November could give the green light to urbanization.

However, since Trampolín Group emphasizes that next week could unlock the project, which would mean, according to Antonio Martínez-that could come before September machinery to lift at least "the first 50 dwellings, albeit with licenses to account '.

. In an appearance before the media, representatives of the trade were wrapped by several buyers, which showed its "relief" because the "political question" has long gone from their homes and can become a reality in the medium term. Time will tell.


FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS THE MAYOR CAN VOTE IN NOVEMBER AS IT HAS BEEN 2 YEARS SINCE HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH GRUPO TRAMPOLIN (I.E. WHEN HE WAS SELLING PROPERTIES FOR THEM). BUT THE OPPOSITION BUENDIA WILL STILL OPPOSE IT ON THURSDAY.....JACKIE



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23 Jun 2008 6:43 PM by Clavel Star rating. 8 forum posts Send private message

Frankly, these all sounds a load of twaddle, with translation masking  the real case!!!
Our Lawyer tells us that on Friday, we should hear the next phase!!! That the Mayor HAS to cast his vote [Thursday/Friday whenever!!! ] and he probably will go with Trampolin!!!!  Lets face it, from what we understand, that if final planning doesn't go through, it will cost the local government a lot of lot of money!! I wouldn't think they can afford it!!


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23 Jun 2008 7:19 PM by cpboyd Star rating in BELFAST N/IRELAND. 89 forum posts Send private message

EXACTLY WERE ABOUTS AND ON WHICH WEBSITE WAS THIS ANNOUNCEMENT POSTED I CANT SEEM TO FIND IT AND ALSO IN LAY MANS TERMS WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT MEAN WHEN ITS BROKE DOWN AND WHO EVEN BELEIVES IT.

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