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23 Jan 2008 6:27 PM by EOS Team Star rating in In Spain of course!. 4015 posts Send private message

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Great post Guillespie.  Points noted.

For anyone that can make it, there is a demonstration in Vera on Sunday outside the town hall organised by the Ciudadanos Europeos de Mojácar.

I'm really going to try to get there and show my support.

I've managed to get the phone numbers of all concerned now so will be making calls tomorrow to find out all the facts of the case and see how we can use this as the first step of a big campaign.

Will keep you informed.

Justin

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23 Jan 2008 7:18 PM by SpanishTogs Star rating in Gales. 174 posts Send private message

Hi - yes I agree it's abominable and all our worst nightmares.  We are about the take the plunge, and are buying an apartment inland in Cox nr Orihuela on a small urbanisation.  Our solicitor has assured us that this type of problem cannot happen with the latest laws and regulations in place - but do you know different?!!

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23 Jan 2008 7:35 PM by tanboy Star rating. 15 posts Send private message

Hi All

Has anybody actually had permission from the Junta ! What does it look like ? How do you go on if your development is in a National Park  like ours is ??

 

If  we were buying in England we know what searches are required and what they look like . We have translations of all our documents but one is still at the mercy and  of  another countries legal system and government .

Its nice to see that so many people feel so strongly about this  and how much support there is for the Priors . We would be happy to contribute 10 euros to the fund . Has it been started yet ? I`ve lost track along this thread !!.

 

 

Tanboy and Tangirl.

 

 





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23 Jan 2008 7:47 PM by colettel Star rating in belfast soon to be p.... 23 posts Send private message

This is very very sad cant believe that this can happen those poor people as fly says it wouldnt happen in the uk



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23 Jan 2008 8:10 PM by Biddy Star rating. 29 posts Send private message

 

Hello Tan Boy,  surprised to see you here after having a browse around outside our own thread. I think we are in a far better position than the poor people mentioned on this thread.  The project  we are both on is in an advanced stage of construction  with the top building company in Spain building the houses, we have  a copy of licence for our property and a bank guarantee, and just one point, it is not in a natural park, it is in a natural area, two different things I believe, but as you know it is a fantastic area and I cant honestly say that I have found another area that comes close to it, Im sure you would agree on that.  This is not a commercial post, just a very happy purchaser for a change, we seem to be a rare breed at the moment !!     Biddy





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23 Jan 2008 8:16 PM by robertsl Star rating. 1 posts Send private message

How can you tell if your property will fall foul of this legislation to demolish properties.    My husband & I are signing for our new appartment in Punta Prima at the end of February, how do we know or find out if the complex is technically legal or not.  

Linda

 





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23 Jan 2008 8:26 PM by Biddy Star rating. 29 posts Send private message

 

Ask to see a copy of the building licence, our developer gave us a copy as soon as it was issued by the town hall.  Biddy





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23 Jan 2008 8:41 PM by tanboy Star rating. 15 posts Send private message

Hi Biddy

Thanks for that . We have never seen a licence that I am aware of .

The point is though is it not that the Prior`s had licences permissions etc etc and what good did it do them ??

The Town Hall can be overuled by the Junta can they not ??

Sorry to keep being a worry wart but we are not talking peanuts at the end of the day ,

Tan Girl

 

 





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23 Jan 2008 9:04 PM by Biddy Star rating. 29 posts Send private message

 

Hi Tan Girl,   nice to hear from the other half. Maybe you need to speak with the girls in the office, they are always very helpful, one thing we need to remember is our project is a different situation from what i can make out. We are on a project where the land has been reclassified as building land and has all of the necessary paperwork, Im not sure but I would suspect a lot of the problems are with properties built on rustic land, which I know for a fact in the coasta blanca area should be no less than 10,000,00 square mt, I think this is where a lot of people come unstuck.  I feel positive that we are in a far better position.   Biddy





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23 Jan 2008 9:04 PM by Biddy Star rating. 29 posts Send private message

 

Hi Tan Girl,   nice to hear from the other half. Maybe you need to speak with the girls in the office, they are always very helpful, one thing we need to remember is our project is a different situation from what i can make out. We are on a project where the land has been reclassified as building land and has all of the necessary paperwork, Im not sure but I would suspect a lot of the problems are with properties built on rustic land, which I know for a fact in the coasta blanca area should be no less than 10,000,00 square mt, I think this is where a lot of people come unstuck.  I feel positive that we are in a far better position.   Biddy





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23 Jan 2008 9:13 PM by tanboy Star rating. 15 posts Send private message

Thanks for that biddy. Points of which have been understood!

Have e-mailed the lawyers today and should get an answer in due course hopefully.

I am sure you will understand we need to hear it from the lawyers and not the office as this would not placate us at present.

When I get the answer I will post the upshot of the advice.

Might help a few here?

Tanboy 

 





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23 Jan 2008 9:44 PM by Biddy Star rating. 29 posts Send private message

Good idea, mine gave me peace of mind nearly a year ago,  your lawyer should have seen the relevant papers as well,  I would have thought , thats if they are doing the job they are paid to do !!  Have sent your other half a private mail. I think we maybe heading for a telling off, and told to clear off to our own Forum.  Hope all goes well for you, Im sure it will.   Biddy



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23 Jan 2008 10:31 PM by xetog Star rating in Wiltshire/holiday ap.... 514 posts Send private message

Just one of the more "positive" replies I have had from one of our MEP's:

"Thank you for your email on the subject of Spanish property rights.
 
I am reasonably well informed on the subject and have been very much involved in the cases of a number of British residents living in Spain. Very often land has been bought and houses built in good faith and with the full permittion of the local authority...only to find some years later that the superior authority has (or claims to have) the right to rescind the permit.I do have enormous sympathy for those people unfortunate enough to be affected by this very questionable behaviour by the authorities in a number of Spanish regions and I agree with you that the situation is not acceptable.
 
Unfortunately the fact is that the EU does not have the power to overrule the regional local authorities in a member state. So the parliament can not interfere in the administration of regional or district affairs. What we can do, and are currently doing, is to raise the issue in committee (petitions committee) and, by voting a resolution through the committee, oblige the Commission to bring pressure to bear upon the Spanish government in order to force their district councils to conform to 'normal' internationally accepted planning procedures.
 
I recognise that, in the short term, this is not the answer that you would like to read, or that I would like to write.However, I must assure you that there are a number of MEPs, not just British, who are as angry as I am and who are working to get a satisfactory outcome.
 
Yours sincerely
 
Richard Ashworth"

In other words, much as we expected, the EU is a hugely expensive, largely unelected institution which we in the UK support to the tune of £billions, much of which over the recent past has been given to Spain and when we need them, they can do nothing except vote round in circles.  Perhaps some of the so called Europhiles would like to explain what good it does it do citizens of the UK to be citizens of the EU?  Still, it's not finished yet!

Mike




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23 Jan 2008 11:08 PM by EOS Team Star rating in In Spain of course!. 4015 posts Send private message

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Mike, well done on your continued pressure on these MPs and MEPs.

It's a rather frustrating response really but not unexpected.  The problem is that the European parliament takes forever to vote on anything, even what coffee they should drink at their meetings.

I'm going to talk to the Priors tomorrow and their lawyers and see what's happening and how we can all take this forward and get some proper action going.

Will report back.

Justin

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23 Jan 2008 11:24 PM by Patty_1 Star rating in Hertfordshire. UK. .... 1062 posts Send private message

 That is Brilliant Justin lets hope something can come out of this and we can help them.  Good Luck Pat 

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24 Jan 2008 10:59 AM by Rixxy Star rating in San Pedro. 2010 posts Send private message

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Good on you Justin - at the very end of the day its people power that will win.

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24 Jan 2008 6:45 PM by Payner Star rating. 1 posts Send private message

This is truly a heart-breaking tale - and surely a disgrace on the Spanish government. I understood that this whole situation was put in front of the European Court of Human Rights; has there been a conclusion?



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25 Jan 2008 11:54 AM by morerosado Star rating. 6927 posts Send private message

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=510165&in_page_id=1811

For those who don't like to click on links I'm taking the liberty of posting the report here as well.

Hollywood's Antonio Banderas is victim of Spain's holiday home demolition policy

Hollywood actor Antonio Banderas has become the latest victim of Spain's new clean-up on illegal homes.

 

The Legend Of Zorro star is reeling after being ordered to demolish part of his beloved £5million beachfront home.

Banderas has been told corrupt former town hall chiefs should never have given him permission for a massive extension eight years ago.

A court in Malaga has ordered him to knock down the 300sq ft wing of the mansion near Marbella - around a fifth of the property - within eight weeks.

The decision follows the demolition of British expats' Les and Helen Prior's home in the coastal town of Vera, south-east Spain.

A bulldozer tore down their £200,000 property after the regional government revoked the building licence issued by the town hall.

The move has sent shockwaves through expat British and Irish communities in resorts on the popular Costa Blanca and Costa del Sol.

Spanish-born Banderas used his Marbella home - nicknamed La Gaviota or The Seagull - to rehearse his part in hit film The Mask Of Zorro.

He and wife Melanie Griffith bought the six-bedroom house 12 years ago as their summer holiday home after renting it for nearly a year.

Neighbours have long argued Banderas is the victim of corrupt town hall officials who allowed the property to be built on land used for community benefit after illegally reclassifying it in return for backhanders.

Lawyers for the star are expected to appeal the court ruling.

Spain's socialist government recently announced plans to push for the demolition of thousands of Costa homes.

Beachfront properties along nearly 500 miles of the country's coastline will be targeted.

Environment ministers behind the plan have said they intend negotiating compensation packages as part of a "carrot and stick" approach.

But they have given no guarantee bulldozers will not move in if talks with regional governments and town halls come to nothing.

Critics say the move is fuelled partly by political rivalry.



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25 Jan 2008 12:07 PM by Gillespie Star rating in Costa Calida Area. 608 posts Send private message

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I wonder if Antonio was to walk into his local town hall carrying a guitar case whether they might remove the demolision order ;+)

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