Phase 4 Construction progress?

Agree with Lappie,Roda will be great sometime in the future.

Hughman you seem to always be dealing in hearsay and looking for information that you will regurgitate as hearsay again which never seems that helpful and only adds to the confusion.

Do you even  own a property in Roda  as all this hearsay etc is not helpful  to the resort ,owners ,investors ,renters and possible future buyers..

Just stick to the facts which I am sure is what the majority of readers are only interested in and not gossip.

I think India that perhaps you should reconsider your posting.  I know Hugh_man and he, like we, are long term owners at Roda and he is definitely worth listening to - intently.

Sandra

Sandrab is right. 

Hugh-man takes the time to help us with information which is not forthcoming from Calidona.  There is no way that he can state catagorically that his information is definitely correct. How can he when Calidona don't verify anything. 

All this surmising would end if Calidona just told us how things are panning out.  But they don't.   Maybe if they were more amenable to the problems of purchasers/potential purchasers there would not be so much distrust.

If 4b is on hold then why not tell us and then we could make a reasonable choice of whether to accept another property or not.

We feel in limbo like a lot of purchasers and it's such a shame because Roda Golf is just so brilliant even in it's unfinished state.

Hi to all Phase 4 owners

We have just returned from Roda and I report as follows. Phase 4a is coming on a treat now, they have had trouble with two lots of sub contract building companies 'going bust' but the builders now in situ are going well. They are rendering the apartments and were well impressed with how much they had progressed in the week we were there (returned 26 Feb) the electricians are also on site first fixing and presumably the plumbers also. The official date for completion is end of May 2010 but in our opinion it will be more like September 2010, but you will be ok to go swimming, the pools are all complete!

With regards to 4b this is another matter, it is just as it was three years ago when we paid our first large deposit, holes in the ground.  They can give no date whatsoever when the building work will start. We had a pre arranged meeting with our Solicitor and all I can say is that if you received a copy of the licence and it is dated January 2009 (as ours was) go and see your own Solicitors sooner rather than later.

Just a quick note on how we found the rest of Roda. We stayed on phase 1 and the gardens were looking good, I saw a gardener there everyday and the pool was cleaned out twice, looking very smart.  We had a walk round phase 2 and have to say thought there were quite a few areas that needed attention. Phase 3 also looked good.

Ate at the club house on a few occasions, once in the restaurant and three times in the bar. The restaurant food was excellent and the bar food was also very good, no complaints at all and the service was also great, it was also quite well attended.

It was also good to see the golf course was busy.

Regards

Sheila B

Thank you Sheila

Good factual post which I found very helpful.

No mention of the word 'hearsay'

Hello Sandra, Do you and Hughman live on Roda or depend on gossip.

Listen India - what is your problem?    I would  really do hope to meet you one day so you can be so rude to my face.  It is very easy to hide behind email.  FYI  Hugh_man does not spread gossip or hearsay - he is far too savvy to go down that route.   I hope you will realise that you can take absolutely nothing for granted with any builder in Spain at the moment.  What is not gossip or hearsay is, as you may or may  not know, is that they are all suffering from major cash flow problems because people are simply not completing for a variety of reasons including a) not being able to get a mortgage b) the property they are trying to mortgage not reaching the purchase valuation or loan to value c) not being built! 

Sheila has given a great first hand report  of Phase 1 (where we own a property) and I do agree with her - it is looking good - this is the kind of thing I used to post on this forum 4 years but stopped when people like you got so shirty. Believe it it or not I was one of the first Roda owners to post on here - in fact it is possible (alledgedly) that I created the board on EOS.  So believe me when I say I have heard all of the gossip, rumour, downright lights, truths and facts that there are to be heard about Calidona, Roda Golf, Phase 1, 2, 3, 3b and 4.  I really do hope that the resort does get finished - its what we all invested in but please do listen to  people who really have contributed with good information and are, after all, only trying to help those who haven't.

Thank you for listening.

Sandra

Hugh man is correct - when we were out last year we met people who were original phase 4 purchasers who had been offered to exchange for a property elsewhere on the resort.  They were therefore Roda owners in spring 2009 in a phase 2 property!

Perhaps if any phase 4b purchasers are concerned about the viability of their build or desperately keen to take handover of their property then it may be worthwhile contacting Roda to see if this is an option rather than waiting on them coming to you?  I can assure you that the developer still has lots of unoccupied properties on other phases which are currently costing them money in community fees!

Well posted Sandrab. 

We have holidayed for the last 3 years on Roda Golf on phase 1, phase 2 and phase 3 and they are all wonderful.  We will be there again this year and will be talking to Roda re another completed property which seems like the best thing to do for us at the moment.  We would have preferred our off plan but we know that there are acceptable alternatives out there as long as we can agree a proper and fair deal with Calidona.

We have stayed on various resorts in Murcia when looking originally and in our opinion - there is nothing to compare with Roda Golf - even in its present state (which really is not so bad is it) .

The brilliant restuarants, the Spanish Square, shops and  the beach are all within walking distance. If you can't or don't want to walk  the taxi services are great and reasonable. The downside is that we have not yet got what was promised.

I've no doubt that the hotel will be built eventually and the other phases completed and we will all be so happy with our investments.

OH NO! Sorry!

Christian Digby has just been found dead in his flat in London. He's one of my most favourite people. Sorry.

This puts everything in perspective. Oh -so sorry

Just Backing up SandraB's post which is exactly right. Hugh Man has helped so much over the years on EOS and spends a lot of time replying in great length on most occasions about various subjects both on the general forum and in the past as a PM to myself. The information he has supplied has always been really useful.

I think Sandra, that because these posts turn into a slanging match is the reason we stopped using the site as much as we used to, and turned more towards the Murcia golf forum.

RD.

I would just like to add my comments, definitely *not* hearsay.

I was a phase 4b purchaser but last summer, when my daughter came out for a visit, she was shown around about five other properties, already built. She quite liked one of them and persuaded me to come out and see it. We came, saw it and liked it. After a great deal of deliberation - and after getting fed up with visiting our hole in the ground - we decided to swap to a slightly smaller, but ready to inhabit phase 3b apartment.

We are pleased with our choice and our contact at the bank tells us that several others have done the same.

Unfortunately, Calidona have now dismissed a lot of staff and I am having trouble finding anyone to help get the right furniture package - but that's another story.

Sandra was a great help to me a couple of years ago and I have wondered where you went to. You were always posting such helpful advice. It's comforting to know that you're still around; maybe we'll meet up one day when I visit.

Loretta

Can I just apologise again. I had the news on when the news of Christian came on. It was such a shock . He is so much like one of my grandsons.

Phase 3 is lovely. Maybe we will go and look again when we are over in August.

Thank you everyone for all your help and advice.

 Hello Sandra

Thank you for the dressing down  and I am glad we both agree that Roda will be a great resort.

FYI   HERE IS WHERE I FEEL YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF.

To quote you

´'FYI  Hugh_man does not spread gossip or hearsay - he is far too savvy to go down that route. '

To quote Hughman

'Please don't quote me, as it is only hearsay as there seems to be no official line from Calidona, but a number of sources have suggested that Phase 4B has been mothballed and all buyers had been offered alternative purchases in different phases.'

All I am interested in is fact which is not unreasonable.

Anyway I am done with this debate.

Wow

Well you couldn't see that coming could you?

A personal attack on individuals and their postings on an open online forum without the decency to reply with any semblance of contradictory evidence or credible information. Still everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Thanks to Riddler and Sheila, both of whom have offered us some facts which seem to support the fact that owners who paid Calidona deposits 3 years ago for 4B have either been offered alternatives or are having to hang in there with no news of if and when Phase 4B will even be started let alone finished. Those 2 postings have supplied more information to buyers in 2 days than Calidona seem to have done over a number of years.

It is precisely that lack of timely information and that has cost many buyers huge amounts of money up and down the Costas as developers walk away with deposits in their pockets. I see nothing wrong with suggesting that buyers look at all alternatives in the abscence of facts.

Fact, is it a surprise a number of individuals both at Roda and indeed Corvera have formed various groupings seeking independent legal advice on the options available to them.

Fact, is that why some 20% of Roda still remains in the hands of the developer who, so far is paying the community and Entidad fees, will that continue?

india

You seem to suggest that perhaps not living at Roda precludes us from having an opinion or a right to air it even though we paid similar prices for the property and pay the same Community and Entidad fees.

You even suggest I might not even own there, that is why over a 3 year period I have posted 260 odd times, some factual, some informative, some I hope helpful to others and some expressing an opinion.

You even suggest that I personally am responsible for putting off prospective buyers at Roda, well I think there have some far worse comments from individuals over the years both on this site and others and I think you will find that with unemployment at 20% borrowings at 12% of GDP, debts over 600bn euros linked to property and approx 1mill unsold homes, Spain has quite enough problems of its own to worry about and however you and others try to big up Roda, market forces will prevail.

The reason many of us contribute to this and other forums is purely because we ALL love Roda as a place to live and visit and what is has to offer. At the end of the day, it is us the owners who will make its future and surely it is in the interests of the developers to ensure owners and prospective buyers are offered informed and honest information so that conflicts, which have been and are still happening do not take hold.

Chill and watch the golfers coming in at the 16th and 18th

Our thanks again to you hugh man. Please keep on with your advice and observations It is much appreciated.

Your input on EOS and your hard work for Phase 2 owners is very much appreciated.  Please do not let any negative comments from people who don't know you put you off continuing to be so helpful.

Keep up the great work Hughman.  Some of us really appreciate your advice and the input you have in this forum

Sandra, I know you don't take it personally even though sometimes it can be very difficult.  Your input has always been a great help.

Kroda 

I was down in Roda last week and the progress on Phase 4A is unbelievable with blocks being plastered really quickly and it seems like all hands are on deck. I met a man in the clubhouse who was buying on Phase 4B and has swapped to Phase 3 and he was delighted so possibly not a bad deal for some people who don't want to wait. So this would support what most people are being told and it is a definite fact.

I agree with all the postings that Roda is a great spot, even in the rain but then I had left -12 degrees in Bonny Scotland. I also agree with Hugh and India who when you read between the lines both seem to be saying the same thing ie that Calidona should spend some time on disseminating information (facts) as without it we are all open to conjecture and hearsay. It seems that they both have the interests of Roda at heart and if only Calidona would listen we would not have to rely on the forum for information whether it is accurate or not. Lack of information creates a vacuum which is filled by gossip mongers and scaremongers and it would be a lot more productive for us investors in the resort if we could hear the truth even if it is not all good.  

I don't live on Roda on a full time basis but feel that my rights and opinions are as valuable as the next man's. I do not believe everything that I read on this Forum but recognise that if there are people like Sandra and Hugh who have time to post over 250 times each, they might just have something useful to say. I will continue reading anyway and like most.people make up my own mind about the information and the person giving it. 

Don 

Hi Hugh_man - well, you've certainly provoked a response and some welcome (and not so welcome maybe) contributions.   I've read  your posting and can't find anything to get  worked up about, but I guess if you stick your head up above the parapet often enough, someone will take a swipe at it, but please don't let it stop you from posting.  As others have said your input and communication is much appreciated, particularly in view of the deafening silence which is all that sadly seems to come from Calidona these days.  Yeomans is also right about the amount of effort you put into Phase 2 and you've helped us on more than one occasion.

 When we were purchasing our apartment on phase 2, I found this forum was a great source of information and help, I still do and am appreciative of anyone who takes the time to contribute.  If we were buying on Phase 4B now, we would want to get as much information as we possibly could to make an informed decision - as Don says, I would read the information and make my own judgement.   It seems others can confirm that properties on other phases are being offered to 4B purchasers, that sounds like commonsense - it surely does the resort no good at all to have so many properties lying empty and I hope that some of the empty Phase 2 properties will be filled by 4Bers. 

Oh and by the way, it says at the bottom of this page 'talk to buyers and investors'  nothing about having to live there.  I would imagine this forum and others like it are probably more useful to those of us who don't live at Roda, and without us this forum  would resemble a Calidona news release~! 

Hugh Man is absolutely right, last August we were offered a transfer to Phase 3b from our penthouse on phase 4b and we were told then that due to lack of apartments sold on the phase it was likely not to be fully built. Of course Roda would not commit to saying this in an email and would not confirm if our block was part of the existing work being done which we now know is phase 4a. We either risked waiting and them either then building the block we were on within the time scale or defaulting on the contract therefore enabling us to take then to court for 2 years to get our money back. Against our better judgement  we transferred as it was a good deal and didn't want to risk having an apartment on a half built phase. We completed in November and have had nothing but problems since, lack of communication being the main problem.

It is a shame they are not going to do anything with that phase as it will leave the resort looking shabby with huge holes in the ground and shabby fencing as well as the unsitely phase 5 site. Is there anything we can do about this as a community to try and get Roda to tidy this up before they leave?

Hind sight is a wonderful thing isn't it!

xx

Erinjake