Any News from the AGM???

My role as founder Member of the "half empty crew" is to make negative posts.

Reading this thread I am no longer needed.. 

Back to winding people up on Twitter!

This is a section of the Horizontal properties act (below)  that suggests that property owners who represent  a third of the assessment quotas may request an upgrade to infrastructures including telecomms. But the cost of these upgrades will be born by only the persons requesting them and not by those opposing the upgrades.

Now I understand why the Spanish economy is in such a state, everything that the Spanish are involved in is corrupt, even trying to control the internet. Another nail in the coffin for the Spanish, at this rate unemployment will hit 30%, with there attitude. Good luck to them, but one thing these dictators need to remember is that if all of us Brits stop putting money in the Spanish economy they are dead and buried, so listen to us before it is to late. Your economy can only sell so many oranges and tomatoes.

I'm not to sure if the attitude of a couple of Spanish people at a CdA AGM can provide the reasons behind the country's economic problems or prove an inherent corruptness in all things Spanish.

I am as disappointed as anyone (maybe not anyone after reading the last post) at what happened.  But from what I can see most of the problems are down to the circumvention of procedure and unwillingness to listen to everyone present....along with an attitude of a couple of individuals.

It appears ML were correct to rule out Option D for broadband as it had opposition and was to increase the community fee.  However if they were "chairing" the AGm as such they seem to have totally failed in that respect.  And in communicating the rationale behind some of the decision making or views.

But maybe it would be an idea for one of the presidents to query ML over the contracts for work within CdA to ensure that they are independent of ML, CdA owners, or family. I would hope there are no such relationships as I would have expected these to be disclosed upfront.

Andy

You say the spansh is correupt & they maybe, but dont think they are alone

Corruption is rife through out the world inclding  " good old blighty"

Just go onto The Daily Telegraph wenb site

Jan

I agree with smv, some people need to take a deep breath and calm down.

Firing off insults to the whole Spanish nation because of the actions of one or two individuals, and demanding we throw out ML  and 'run the resort ourselves' isn't really very constructive at this point. Running a resort of this size isn't for well meaning amateurs. I'm not saying ML shouldn't be held accountable, but demanding we 'get rid' of them now is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too premature IMO.

Take a chill pill people, relax, and at at least let's hear their account of the AGM before we go firing off threats and insults indiscriminately. 

Yes a bit rash saying the Spanish are corrupt, but I do see where Andy is coming from. Seve had the same problems with his own countrymen when trying to improve golf for the better, even he got frustrated with thier outdated opinions and lack of speed in moving forward.

I do believe that we could run our community ourselves, why not? El Valle do it, we would just have to scale it up slightly.  I would rather pay someone from the community who lives out there than a bunch of strangers who seem to be working against us at the moment.  Dont be too quick to poo poo it. it just might be the way forward if we want to improve the community and the resort for the better. 

Criticising the presidents for being passionate about what they care about is just not on. These people do a lot of work for no rewards. 

Here Here I totally agree about the presidents they do a cracking job and it must be a thankless task sometimes.  Although I do know that a minority of presidents do nowt!! I have two apartment on CDA on president is in regular contact the other is never in contact so how he can go and represent the interests of the Jardin when he doesn't even communicate??? 

But all in all the Presidents should be given every encouragement to carry on and not be disheartened - keep at it we need you!!

I retire in about 5 years so if you can let me know what jobs will be going when we are running the community ourselves by then so I can get my application in!!  lol

Keep up the good work

Alison, I'm just saying IMO it's a bit premature and drastic to be talking about 'getting rid' of ML based on the actions of one or two people at an AGM and before we even hear their account of the proceedings. A gross overreaction, calm down people.

But hey, it's just my opinion, if you're up for it you go for it girl, don't let me hold you back! :)

I understand about corruption especially back here in the crappy uk, what i was trying to get across was the fact that certain things had already been decided before the meeting took place, that is not democratic, telling non Spanish that they should leave it to the Spanish to sort things out is wrong, everything should be translated for all members of the community not just the banks and PW. Remember when the banks have sold all there stock they will just walk away and we are left with the aftermath.  I am keen to see the minutes of the meeting before they are ratified, which I assume is a pipe dream. I love my place in the sun and I am optomistic about the future of CDA, but if I was looking to buy now and read some of these forums I would walk away from this resort. Spain has got to learn how to present themselves if they want to attract people back, which I hope happens. One big thing that really worries me is the threat over websites, what have they got to worry about or hide from owners, the websites that they are on about only gives out information, why threaten them, censorship should not be happening today!

On a lighter note can't wait till we are next out in the Summer!

smivs

cracking job  i don't think so and before you say do it yourself i would be no better

we need professional people not good hearted ,because they may be doing there best

but they are in well over there heads and the facts speak for themselves

its just one rip off after another so wake up and let Ml and the banks  know it

or before long owners will not pay the c/charge. and the only thing you will have left of your place in the sun is this forum

and did you know that the banks and scum Polaris only pay 1/4 of the c/charge we pay

but call all the shots  lol

This message was last edited by not smooth on 31/05/2011.

not smooth i think you know the answers to the questions(was that a song)

and so does everyone Else but you just cant face up to it what do you mean by growing

we are going backwards at a fast pace so for f==k sake Wakey wakey

seen a good program last night called the prisoner i think it was filmed on the condado

no sorry cant of been they had sport facilities

The duty of the AGM is to elect officials,  approve accounts, and approve the execution of extraordinary works.  The Presidents had already voted in favour of Option B on Telecoms so a legal and democratic decision had been made.   The AGM is a higher authority than the Presidents  so in presenting this to the AGM it gave the whole comunity and option to overrule this vote.  However a dissenter can refuse to pay for the improvement if it is not deemed necessary. So upon any dissent that we increase charges to pay for something then it is really worth continuing the discussion?

So even if all Presidents had voted for it and the comunity charges went up , then can  those who do not want it demand a reduction in their comunity charge. Will this then mean that those who have it will have to pay more.  

However would it be deemed necessary that every apartment has an internal phone that can make emergency 112 calls ?

The AGM can change statutes but only by a unanimous vote.

I refer you to David Searl  " You and the Law in Spain"   and the Law of  Horizontal Property in Spain in English  to help you understand how complex the law that controls how a comunity operates is.

We all have to abide by it . Presidents have legal obligations , they must stay as President until another is voted and if they do anything through negligence or error that seriously damages the comunity interests they can be sued for monetary damages. So I would consider  carefully being President , especially if  I am not fluent in the language. Vice President is good enough for me as I do not understand the complex Spanish System  and do not want to be held personally liable if I do the wrong thing.

In the meantime I have confidence in the current administration and mix of Presidents as everyone is kept on their toes and realises they are unable to do what they like. I only ask we have a better understanding first. 

I have seen in the early years how some of our more long standing Presidents work . They have knowledge and influence that a foreigner would not have . They have expertly dealt with the President of Polaris and others who where costing us a fortune . They have identified issues and problems that without their input would have cost us millions to be corrected. I believe they will continue to be a massive asset to Condado and if the delicate  negotiations work in our favour we could see our financial future secured. But please do not demand information on  issues which are complex and should not be in the public domain. Some things are for Presidents only and asking them to divulge details of ongoing negotiations is unfair. I would ask those who do to be careful they understand all implications .

lets not ask anything just pay our money  and be lucky for what we got

and be good little owners

be very careful my friend or you and the presidents will have nothing to dictate over

so which president do i sue for giving the contract to ML and did they put the backhander in to the community (no president in particular) just to the ones who where involved

by the way i have guests over at the moment asking why there are no chairs outside the pub 

can any presidents let me know or is this for the presidents only

we payed good honesty money and all we want is honestly back

Paul,

I can answer 1 of your questions:

"What is happening regarding the golf clubhouse?"

Answer - Nothing!

Like to Oasis, 2nd Golf Course, Hotel, and everything else promissed its not coming!

Still on the bright side we may be getting 2 Euro Internet....... oh hang on a minute..... I guess not.

One day, maybe one day, we will get a facility?

I believe that what Dringman says in his post is correct from a legal point of view , we may not like it but that , according to the Horizontal Property Act is the way it is.

Any increase in fees has to be 100% unanimously voted on. As I said in an earlier post a quota of a third or more of the apartment holders can ask for an improvement in telecomms for instance but according to the HP Act anyone who does not want the improvement does not have to pay for it.That is the law.

I unstand that people are not happy with the situation but how many of us so far have e-mailed ML for clarification on the way the AGM was handled? They have I think 10 days to sign the minutes of the meeting and up to 30 days to publish them, correct me if I am wrong.

We bought on Condado for the long term and I know that some of you will say " well la de da good for you "  . Yes we would like the things that were promised but not having them does not stop me coming over to my apartment for holidays because the most important things are already here. You know we once went on a holiday to Palma nova and when we got ther the road outside was dug up to a depth of 10 feet, I saw people who spent ther whole holiday taking photos of the works and bitchin and moaning about the noise so that when they went home they could ask for a part refund. We got up every morning and went to the beach the waterpark and other places and had a ball.

My point is that if people are going to bitch and say f***k  and things like that then dont say it to the people on the forum say it to the people who you see as causing the problem in the first place

I do have two questions, can the president give the go ahead to spent funds without the consent of the other level 2 an 3 presidents? or can they approve any thing without the consent othe level 2 or 3 presidents?

nolankn69

I think it comes down to what sort of family you are

me personally i would not be happy with a 10ft ditch outside my apartment 

but i am starting to see why you are happy on the condado

always best to pay that bit extra  i find

i have been in to see ML and they would say f++k all as per usual

so please let us know what your replay from them was

as for the long term how long would that be then ,don't forget not many people can play sport  at 90  

its not all about the agm it the whole pile of sh=t

Well Big John,

Thank you for that input I'm Sure that has helped a lot. As for ML not telling you anything it probably was'nt because of your lack of charm. I am just sorry you didn't get the point I was making. Its a case of glass half full or glass half empty or totally empty.

Regards.