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07 Jun 2008 12:00 AM by juliet454 Star rating. 99 forum posts Send private message

Hi,

If you read today's la verdade there is an email address for you to send emails regarding questions you may want answering regarding Trampolin Hills.  These questions will be put to Antonio on Tuesday, when he appears on the dabate of Trampolin HIlls on canal 6 as he could not be there this week due to his son's illness.  

The email address for questions is:  

eldebate@canal6murcia.es

We could use translator to translate our questions into Spanish and send from the google translation.   

Just a thought if anyone feels like going direct to the horses mouth, so to speak!  I realise we may not get the answers as we cannot watch the programme, but maybe it will appear in La Verdad questions put to Antonio during the debate. 

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Chris



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08 Jun 2008 10:04 PM by ogo Star rating in Norway. 125 forum posts Send private message

I will send this one to the programme as an input - we need to trust the e-mail shoveling will help
I've even translated it to spanish with google (Or is it span-"ish" translation?   :-)  )

eldebate@canal6murcia.es

Por favor, también encontrará a continuación una traducción realizada con los servicios de traducción de Google


To whom it may concern... 
I am one representative for the customers of Trampolin Hills Project. 
Please find below what some of us consider to be the facts in the situation around the Trampolin Hills Project. 
Please also feel free to translate and read parts, or all of it, in you programme.
I am sorry that it is in English,  but I unfortunately do not speak Spanish very well - yet.

Please also find below a translation performed with the google translation services

Best regards
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La Verdad – the truth: The truth of the Trampolin Hills Project
What is the truth about the Tampolin Hills project?
Let’s start with some facts:
1.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permission from the council to start selling apartments.
2.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permissions to raise the buildings on the ground.
3.       Grupo Trampolin has got the permissions to prepare the ground for the construction work included the golf court.
4.       Grupo Trampolin has started out this project with the right ambitions and truly believed that they would succeed.
5.       Grupo Trampolin has managed to sell almost all the apartments upfront.
6.       The buyers has checked the permissions, the validity of the permissions, the bank guarantees, the contracts, the Grupo Trampolin’s reputation in the market, and found nothing wrong.  Most of the buyers are professionals and very careful with their way of business.
7.       The project is now “on hold” due to some technical difficulties in the council of Campos del Rio.
8.       This situation is now threatening to suffocate the project, which once looked so promising. The customers, the clients, the workers, the company, the little man in the street are now suffering every day. People are struggling to keep their faith in the project and lawsuits are being raised.
Who are the actors in this play, and who has got something to loose in this project, and who wins?
The customers: The customers will lose their dream, including the money they have put into it, they will lose the belief in the Spanish governmental system, the beliefs in Spanish banks, Spanish law, Spanish entrepreneurs, etc.
The Client: Grupo Trampolin will lose their customers, their reputation, and their money.
The suppliers, and the suppliers suppliers: Waiting to deliver material to this project, will lose.
The workers and employees: With ambitions and hope to get this project going. They have spent some years of their life to sell and promote the development; if the project is stopped they may lose their job, and the effort that they have put into the project is worthless.
PSOE: The party is trying to get the wheel to go around, but today they are losing because someone has put a stick in to it. The Mayor is trying to hold onto his position, and if he does not succeed, he will be thrown and a new Mayor needs to be selected. They will lose.
PP: This party is the opposition and has stopped the development due to a technicality in Spanish governmental rules. They hide behind rules, but the party also has the possibility to solve the situation. I agree that rules should be followed, but sometimes the rules just don’t justify the consequences they have on “everyday people’s” life. Settlement between gentlemen is needed to solve the situation.
The solicitors: they will win anyhow, as always.
The newpapers: The newspapers have nothing to win or lose. They are just telling - the truth.
The “audience”: Will lose faith in their own system.
Conclusion: The only player that has a small possibility to win is the PP.  – but then again they lose too.
The people in this party, if it is “Peoples Party” or “Popular Party” do not live up to their name. If they win, that will only be short time; it is assumed that they will lose faith in the community by stalling this process any longer. The people of Campos del Rio that voted for this party should urge them to be part of the solution to this situation. Enforce them to be responsible – then they have a possibility to keep their face and to win – in the long run.
The council has a responsibility to find a solution
The Mayor and the council of Campos del Rio have a moral obligation to find a way out of this deadlock position. They need to show themselves as responsible rulers that are able to find solutions rather than problems.
 All are losers and there can be no winners in this game if the situation is not solved. The time is now for the parties to meet as gentlemen and find a way out of the situation. The permission should be given to start the construction work without any more delay.
The urgency of the situation is shown by the lawsuits that already are coming to Grupo Trampolin. Please act now so that people can rest assured that the project will go ahead – with only a minor delay. It is still time to rescue the situation, but the time and patience are running out.
What happens if the project is stopped: The lawyers will of course be very pleased with the situation, but the rest of the players will be caught in a battle that will last for years – and still end up as losers.
The ground is prepared, the workers are ready, the apartments and houses are sold, and the suppliers are ready to deliver material, the customers are ready to see some action, the inhabitants of Campos del Rio needs some development in the area.
A little word about Antonio
As for everything that is written about Antonio Martinez, you all must bear in mind that he is the employer of many people that has faith in him, and has built up relationship with buyers, suppliers, partners, etc.  He has started this company for a reason – not to fool people – but to make their dream come through. And by doing this he earns some money, yes. But why shouldn’t he – Right now, Antonio is the one that has most to lose: his name, reputation, money and friends.  All of you that envy his position should try to start a company and try to do what he is doing, imagine yourselves in his shoes right now. You Spanish people should be really proud of him instead of kicking dirt in his face – he is one of your kind – A Spanish company with Spanish money and a Spanish owner – support him!
He is not representing an international company that takes the money out of Spain after he has earned them, but he brings money into Spain, and the money stays there to develop Spain further. And that’s what this really matters in the long run - for Spain.
SO PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON.
HELP US ALL TO KEEP THE FAITH –that this project will fly and that we can enjoy our place in the sun. We all have everything to gain - and little time to solve the situation.





¿A quién puede preocupación ...
Soy un representante para los clientes de Trampolin Hills Proyecto.
A continuación encontrará lo que algunos de nosotros consideramos que son los hechos en la situación en todo el Trampolin Hills Proyecto.
Por favor, siéntase libre de leer y traducir las partes, o todas de la misma, a usted programa.
Siento que es en Inglés, pero por desgracia no hablan español muy bien - aún.



La verdad: La verdad del Proyecto Trampolin Hills
¿Cuál es la verdad sobre la Tampolin Hills proyecto? 

Empecemos con algunos hechos:

1. Grupo Trampolin tiene el permiso del consejo para empezar a vender apartamentos.
2. Grupo Trampolin tiene los permisos para elevar los edificios sobre el terreno.
3. Grupo Trampolin tiene los permisos para preparar el terreno para la obra de construcción incluido el campo de golf de corte.
4. Grupo Trampolin ha comenzado a cabo este proyecto con el derecho ambiciones y verdaderamente cree que tendría éxito.
5. Grupo Trampolin ha conseguido vender casi todos los apartamentos por adelantado.
6. Los compradores ha comprobado los permisos, la validez de los permisos, las garantías bancarias, los contratos, el Grupo Trampolin la reputación en el mercado, y no encontraron nada mal. La mayoría de los compradores son profesionales y muy cuidadoso con su forma de negocio.
7. El proyecto está ahora "en suspenso" debido a algunas dificultades técnicas en el municipio de Campos del Río.
8. Esta situación es ahora amenaza con ahogar el proyecto, que una vez miró de manera prometedora. Los clientes, los clientes, los trabajadores, la empresa, el pequeño hombre de la calle están ahora sufriendo todos los días. La gente está luchando por mantener su fe en el proyecto y los pleitos se plantean. 

Que son los actores en este juego, y que tiene algo que perder en este proyecto, y que gana?
Los clientes: Los clientes perderán su sueño, incluido el dinero que han puesto en él, perderá la fe en el sistema de gobierno español, las creencias en los bancos españoles, derecho español, español empresarios, etc
El Cliente: Grupo Trampolin perderán sus clientes, su reputación y su dinero.
Los proveedores, los proveedores y los proveedores: Esperando a entregar el material a este proyecto, va a perder.
Los trabajadores y empleados: Con ambiciones y la esperanza de obtener este proyecto adelante. Han pasado varios años de su vida a vender y promover el desarrollo; si el proyecto está parado que pueden perder sus puestos de trabajo y el esfuerzo que han puesto en el proyecto es inútil.
PSOE: El partido está tratando de obtener la rueda para ir por ahí, pero hoy se están perdiendo porque alguien ha puesto un palo para ella. El alcalde está tratando de sostenerse en su posición, y si no tiene éxito, se lanzará un nuevo y alcalde tiene que ser seleccionado. Ellos perderán.
PP: Este partido es la oposición y se ha detenido el desarrollo debido a un tecnicismo en español normas gubernamentales. Ellos se esconden detrás de las normas, pero el partido también tiene la posibilidad de resolver la situación. Estoy de acuerdo en que las normas deben seguirse, pero a veces las normas sólo no justifican las consecuencias que tienen en "la vida cotidiana del pueblo" la vida. Acuerdo entre caballeros que se necesita para resolver la situación.
Los abogados: van a ganar de todos modos, como siempre.
Los periódicos: Los periódicos no tienen nada que ganar o perder. Ellos son sólo decirnos - la verdad.
El "público": ¿perder la fe en su propio sistema.
Conclusión: El único jugador que tiene una pequeña posibilidad de ganar es el PP. -- Pero luego se pierden de nuevo.
La gente de este partido, si se trata de "Partido Popular" o "Partido Popular" no estar a la altura de su nombre. Si gana, que sólo será poco tiempo, se presume que van a perder la fe en la comunidad estancamiento de este proceso por más tiempo. El pueblo de Campos del Río que votó a favor de este partido debería instar a ser parte de la solución a esta situación. Aplicar a ser responsable - que la que tienen la posibilidad de mantener su cara y para ganar - en el largo plazo. 

El consejo tiene la responsabilidad de encontrar una solución
El alcalde y el ayuntamiento de Campos del Río tienen la obligación moral de encontrar una salida a este estancamiento. Tienen que demostrar a sí mismos como de gobernantes que sean capaces de encontrar soluciones y no problemas.
  Todos son perdedores y no puede haber ganadores en este juego si la situación no se resuelve. Ha llegado el momento de que las partes se reúnen como señores y encontrar una salida a la situación. La autorización debe darse para iniciar las obras de construcción sin más demora.
La urgencia de la situación queda de manifiesto por los juicios que ya están próximos al Grupo Trampolin. Por favor, actuar ahora para que la gente puede estar seguro de que el proyecto seguirá adelante - con sólo una pequeña demora. Todavía es tiempo para rescatar a la situación, pero el tiempo y la paciencia se están agotando.
¿Qué sucede si el proyecto se detiene: Los abogados, por supuesto, ser muy satisfechos con la situación, pero el resto de los jugadores se ven atrapados en una batalla que durará años - y aún así terminan como perdedores.
El terreno está preparado, los trabajadores están listos, los apartamentos y casas se venden, y los proveedores están dispuestos a entregar el material, los clientes están dispuestos a ver algo de acción, los habitantes de Campos del Río necesita un desarrollo en la zona. 

Un poco de palabras sobre Antonio

En cuanto a todo lo que está escrito sobre Antonio Martínez, todos ustedes deben tener en cuenta que él es el empleador de muchas personas que tiene fe en él, y ha construido relaciones con los compradores, proveedores, socios, etc Él ha comenzado para esta empresa una razón - no para engañar a la gente -, sino a hacer su sueño hecho a través de. Y por ello gana algo de dinero, sí. Pero, ¿por qué no debe él - En este momento, Antonio es el que tiene más que perder: su nombre, la reputación, dinero y amigos. Todos ustedes que envidia su posición debe tratar de iniciar una empresa y tratar de hacer lo que está haciendo, imagínese ustedes en sus zapatos en este momento. Spanish people Usted debe realmente orgullosos de él en lugar de patear la suciedad en su rostro - que es uno de su especie - Una empresa española con dinero español y un español propietario - lo apoyan!
Él no es en representación de una empresa internacional que tenga el dinero fuera de España después de que él se ha ganado, sino que aporta dinero en España, y el dinero se queda allí para desarrollar España. Y eso es lo que realmente importa a la larga - de España. 

Así que por favor, por favor, con bastante azúcar.
AYUDA EE.UU. A TODOS LOS mantener la fe de que este proyecto va a volar y que podemos disfrutar de nuestro lugar en el sol. Todos tenemos mucho que ganar - y poco tiempo para resolver la situación.



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09 Jun 2008 9:30 AM by billandann Star rating in BENALMADENA. 51 forum posts Send private message

Well done Ogo. That was a great bit of work. Hope it gets an airing.


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09 Jun 2008 9:45 PM by ogo Star rating in Norway. 125 forum posts Send private message

please feel free to send it - all of you others as well - then we have a better chance getting through to the public and the politicians

Keep the pressure on guys like these guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!














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09 Jun 2008 9:59 PM by ROUGHDIAMOND Star rating in Bristol. 88 forum posts Send private message


Hi OGO,

I have sent it to eldebate. if we hit them with enough of them they might just decide to use it.

keep it going.

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09 Jun 2008 10:03 PM by ogo Star rating in Norway. 125 forum posts Send private message

...and the e-mail adress please; makes my life easier :-)

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09 Jun 2008 11:16 PM by bjorn Star rating in The Netherlands. 23 forum posts Send private message

Guys,
Just sent the email to eldebate as well...
-- Bjorn


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10 Jun 2008 8:51 AM by GuntherP Star rating. 14 forum posts Send private message

10 Jun 2008 9:29 AM by bjorn Star rating in The Netherlands. 23 forum posts Send private message

Hmmm....

   If I was Antonio, was honest and had nothing to hide in this matter, I would go to any length to proof the fact. This would include a show like this were people are able to ask the burning questions. A debate such as this would allow Antonio, if he had nothing to hide, to give the proper answers and to regain our trust.

   This last action of Antonio makes me doubt if he is being dishonest - or is the man simply stupid?

   -- Bjorn



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10 Jun 2008 11:29 AM by carmenmiranda Star rating. 16 forum posts Send private message

Rough translation.

For the second time consecutive, although the first of them due one to the disinclination of one of its children, Antonio Martinez, owner of Hills Springboard, has stopped to go to the program the Debate of Channel 6. The reason for its incomparecencia, in this occasion, must, as his lawyer, Diego de Ramon, has declared to this newspaper to a trip to Madrid in which he must attend several “urgent meetings, related to the rights of third European people and their corresponding guarantees already guaranteed”. In spite of not attending the appointment to which was had it jeopardize, Martinez has shaped in writing the promise into which, as of morning, she will inform to the Truth of the actions which she tries to initiate against that she considers people in charge of the conflict in Fields of the River: “the civil servants and representatives of both formation, PSOE and PP, besides the Delegate of the Government (or informed) by presumed on-speed operation or abnormal of the service public, who have caused serious patrimonial damages represented and third people, buyers of good faith”. As a result of this incident, the Debate has been forced to suspend the program that it had predicted, in that Martinez was going to answer the questions of the viewers.


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10 Jun 2008 12:55 PM by jackieinhove Star rating. 120 forum posts Send private message

Well thats a surprise! No Antonio!

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10 Jun 2008 3:27 PM by carmenmiranda Star rating. 16 forum posts Send private message

On a lighter note it looks like Antonio is not the only one with development problems!!!!

This is big in the UK news today.

Donald Trump argued his case Tuesday for the construction of a 1 billion-pound (US$2 billion; €1.3 billion) golf resort on a stretch of coast in northeast Scotland after months of acrimony between the billionaire developer and local residents.


Trump was in a bullish mood as he faced a panel of planners and environmentalists' lawyers in a public inquiry in Aberdeen. He told the inquiry that his golf course will be the greatest in the world.








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10 Jun 2008 4:35 PM by ROUGHDIAMOND Star rating in Bristol. 88 forum posts Send private message


ONLY SECOND TO THE ONE AT TRAMPOLIN HILLS....IF EITHER GET BUILT....

REGARDS
BRIAN 


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10 Jun 2008 6:20 PM by rob6578 Star rating. 103 forum posts Send private message

The difference is that if Trump does build he will have ALL the permissions in place before he starts, not just 'possibly' some, unlike GT, Huma & other developers who, to put it very very very very charitably, took a chance & hoped for the best.


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10 Jun 2008 9:34 PM by ogo Star rating in Norway. 125 forum posts Send private message

But don't forget to ask: What is so urgent in Madrid that he spoils his possibility to face the thruth?

I am sure that the rason must be really important!

I can immagine one or two things:
-He has been called to a meeting with the bank to reassure that the building wil go ahead?
-He is reassuring that the bank guarantees are valid?
-He may want to extend the validity of the bank guarantees?
-He may want to organize money for anyone who want to get their money back?
-Maybe he needs more money to start the process against the politicians?
-Maybe he is visiting goverment officials?

at least the meeting was so important thet it had to go in front of the interview

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10 Jun 2008 9:55 PM by rob6578 Star rating. 103 forum posts Send private message

Or could it be he has nothing to say because he knows there is no money left & he can't get permission to build!


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10 Jun 2008 10:08 PM by broadfield Star rating. 23 forum posts Send private message

Antonio has promised that, starting tomorrow, he will advise La Verdad of what he plans to do.  Hopefully he will tell us, also. Perhaps we should wait to find out what he has to say.


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11 Jun 2008 6:37 PM by rob6578 Star rating. 103 forum posts Send private message

broadfield: Do you know what he has said yet? Has he said anything? Perhaps he had another urgent appointment he couldn't get out of.


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13 Jun 2008 12:07 PM by joe1 Star rating. 135 forum posts Send private message

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Only a complete idiot would go onto national television and face the inevitable flak that our esteemed developer would surely face. He would be ripped to shred's by professional TV people who would be very well researched in all aspects of TH. The reality is, Antonio has never and will never come forward to face up to such questioning about this issue. Surely we as customers and not a TV show, should have first option to address him at a public meeting, but all he does is hides behind excuse after excuse.

If you are reading this Antonio and I'm sure you are, please stop hiding and face up to your responsibilities, like a man. Grant your customers the right, to up to date information and an opportunity to voice our concerns at a public meeting in Campos del Rio. You come on here back slapping anyone who writes kind remarks about you and your company, but hide when the going gets tough. Every passing day brings about more concern about this development, this is your chance to come clean!

The ball is in your court!




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16 Jun 2008 9:37 PM by Clavel Star rating. 8 forum posts Send private message

He also hides behind the skirt of his 'Lawyer' Pilar Cano!!!   Obviously doesn't  have much 'bottle'!!!!

We also understand that Ms Cano hasn't got her final 'qualifacations' from GRANADA. Maybe we should look in to that!!! After all, she is obviously on Antonios' payroll, as she has a nice little desk downstairs at Gea y Truyois.





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