Horse meat, would you eat it?

 Madness!! :)  Ikea meatballs with horse meat too, and I've eaten loads of them!

www.fooddive.com/news/ikea-meatballs-assembled-with-horse-meat/103488/

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Kottbullar are a staple food in Sweden and spending a lot of time there we eat quite a lot of they, they are delish so this news has really disturbed me!

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 No way!! I just loved those meatballs and that creamy sauce they did at IKEA! 

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I loved saveloy and chips....until i saw  a TV program about the making of the sav's and what went into them..... wished it had been horse meat rather then that crap.....never eaten one since.

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No, I would not knowingly choose to eat horsemeat for the same reasons that I would not eat dog,squirrel or hedgehog. It is not something I was brought up to regard as food.

Nor would I accept that horsemeat masquerading as beef is not a case for the Trades Description Act enforcers to investigate. It is one  enormous EU wide  fraud from which someone has made huge amounts of money, at the same time risking the health and lives of the most vulnerable in our societies,i.e., schoolchildren and hospital patients

 The horses or whatever other animals have been 'passed off' as beef will not have gone through the same rigorous safety procedures as cattle that enters the human food chain and may actually be unfit for consumption. The case of the Todmorden farmer who held a licence to dispose of or slaughter horses that were injured during meetings at Liverpool's Aintree racecourse adequately demonstrates the dangers of letting horsemeat enter the food chain by deception.

We can only imagine what drugs etc., these horses contain at the time of their death.

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 OMG Baz! I had completely forgotten about saveloy sausages! I haven't eaten one for years and years! To be honest right now I wouldn't care what was in it but I would certainly eat a plate of Saveloy and chips!! I've been away from home too long!! Does anyone know where I can eat a Saveloy and chips near Valencia?? 

Once eaten, I'll start wondering what's in it! :)

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 "The case of the Todmorden farmer who held a licence to dispose of or slaughter horses that were injured during meetings at Liverpool's Aintree racecourse adequately demonstrates the dangers of letting horsemeat enter the food chain by deception.

We can only imagine what drugs etc., these horses contain at the time of their death."

Sandra, i have a neighbour who also used to pick up dead horse from the local race meeting, and the local authorities licence that person to collect such carcasses for disposal at approved places, so most usually goes for animal feed, in places like dog and cat food  factories, so is tinned as "chum" (other brands are available!) other disposal points are places like my neighbour used to take it, and that was the local hunt yard for the dogs. Any collected is not licenced for entering the human food chain, due to possible contamination from animal drug treatments, so anyone doing this is knowingly breaking the law. I suspect it is also why it is the Todmorden farmer is collecting the Aintree casualties, as being a Farmer he is probably disposing of animal meat, legitimately to the animal feed trade, or that would be the terms of his licence. If he did anything else it would of course be illegal, as thats why he is licenced, and should expect to be treated as a criminal by the authorites. This is the whole point of regulation and licencing, to trace and stop abuse of the system. Licencing also makes the person traceable. 

 

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Yes we too had a neighbour who was licensed  to pick  up deer and ponies that were killed on the roads. He part cooked the dead animals and sold them as pet food.

Another neighbour bought it for his dog until the stuff  poisoned and nearly killed the dog. It then emerged that he was also collecting and cooking animals that had died after having being treated for various ailments..Dirty busines!

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Year ago I worked at the Ministry of Agriculture Fisheries and Food  I was actually the building services engineer for quite a few of the ministries but was amazed while at M.A.F.F. how many cases like these that have come to light recently were being investigated.  From what I saw though it came down to pure economics.  What was the cost to the industry or industries involved against the cost the NHS to sort out the problems caused by the things being investigated.  Lots of things that go on never reach the public domain they are shut down long before hitting the papers, it’s  only when something like the horse meat scandal becomes public that everybody takes notice. I’ve learnt over the years not to eat processed food and that includes things like low fat spreads and margarine.  Margarine was originally developed to fatten  turkeys, however it killed them, so what better thing to do with it, than make it taste acceptable to the humans and feed it to humans. Margarine if you look into it is only one molecule away from plastic. Natural things such as butter may be bad for you because they contain lots of fat,  but  if you go the “everything in moderation” route it’s better than artificial foodstuffs . 

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A really excellent restaurante in Coomenar, that specialises in local produce cooked to the highest standards, has a tapas of Caballo con Cebolla. I took a friend there this evening for a drink and a few tapas and we chose that one amongst a total of four we tried. It was excellent. Good quality, well prepared, lightly cooked, full of flavour. It was two tiny fillets on a piece of bread, skewered with some large sticks of spring onion. Excellent. Very glad I chose it.

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Glad you enjoiyed it. I don't think people are complaining about eating horse meat when they know it's horse meat, it's the horses that are not fit for human consumtion thats causing the problem.

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 Tamara, that sounds really great! 

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OMG Baz! I had completely forgotten about saveloy sausages! I haven't eaten one for years and years! To be honest right now I wouldn't care what was in it but I would certainly eat a plate of Saveloy and chips!! I've been away from home too long!! Does anyone know where I can eat a Saveloy and chips near Valencia??

Once eaten, I'll start wondering what's in it! :)

 

Trust me on this one and i don't shock easy, but what was in one of my favorite tasty chip meals shocked even me, you cannot even begin to imagine the contents until you saw them being made.....you want shocking....think toilet waste and your not to far from the filling........

....Sorry to be so crude on a family show.

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Thanks Baz, you just killed my appetite! 

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I agree Chris - MOST people aren't complaining about the fact it was horse, but about (a) the mis-labelling and (b) that the horses were heavily drugged and not fit for human or indeed animal consumption.

But there are a few who ooh and aah over horses yet not lambs, cows or deer!

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 Baz1946, what you term "toilet waste" is actually what the meat trade calls MRM, this stands for Mechanically Recovered Meat. 

MRM is used to form burgers, sausages, chicken nuggets, reformed "ribs" ETC.  This meat (if that is what you can call it), is recovered from trimmed carcasses, so basically bones. As the remaining meat, grisle muscle and the like can no longer be removed with a knife, it is blasted off with a steam cleaner and recovered. It is so low grade it is unsuitable to be used for anything recognisable as meat, so goes in reformed products, like sausages. This means very little is wasted from the animal, but if most people saw it they would not eat sausage anymore, but might then happily eat something recognisable ,like horsemeat!

Just remember, its not sausage, its Walls!

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 Robertt I was checking up on my saveloy issue this afternoon and as you say MRM is the key ingredient, saw a couple of videos and to be quite frank, baz was totally right, it is absolutely disgusting. How on earth is this allowed? I don't get it, so much health and safety and then they let them serve up that cr**p. Has the world gone mad? what goes into MRM should be limited to animal feed, but then again I wouldn't give my dog what I saw this afternoon.  Its called MRM because it can't legally be classified as meat because the pressure it goes under to become a "paste" ruptures the cell structures and is therefore not the same "matter" anymore. MRM shouldn't even exist as a food fit for humans. Give me horse meat any day!

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And then there's the percentage thing. I no longer remember the exact percentages (though I remember they were why I stopped eating any sausage that wasn't from a farmer or butcher I knew personally and trusted). It's something about that when a sausage packet says 65% meat, that "meat" itself legally only has to be 70% meat, if you see what I mean. And of that 70% "meat" up to another 40% can be MRM.

Something like that anyway. The maths meant that a 65% meat sausage (which is your average supermarket sausage) it comes down to about 15% what you and I would call meat - ie a piece of meat, minced.

To be fair, you're never going to get a 100% meat sausage. It needs breadcrumb, herbs, and fat. But the maths above is why I set up Shaftesbury Local Food Festival 8 years ago, to promote a closer relationship between people and food producers.

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Mac75.

Sorry to blow your taste buds for sav's apart, one of the weirdest things is although i had eaten and loved these "Things" for years,  and as bad as they were i never had no side effects...some would disagree though....it is muck they put into a lot of our food now and years past, yet from the manufacturers point of view they cant afford not to use every piece they can lay their hands on.....Because...

They always blame us, the customer  "The customer wants everything to cheap"  they say.

To be absolutely honest if we knew the truth of what went into all of our food, meat and chemical wise, or any food for that matter, what would be left to eat if we were to get so picky with it. 

Not sure if it is still used now but even Lager has / had a chemical in it that has a strong connection to paint stripper, probably why most who get drunk on it tend to " Strip of " after a few. 

I remember years ago when i was doing my dogs dinner, a decent quality named tinned meat, and my wife was doing ours, ours was a good named steak pie.....was it ? i dunno now...i looked at the dogs, looked at ours....his looked and smelt better.

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I have eaten horse meat in France, and thoroughly enjoyed it. However, if I buy a beef lasagne, I'd want it to go 'moo' rather than 'neigh! Rather like most people here, it's not the horsemeat that's the problem, it's the deception, and the fact that the meat is not considered fit for consumption.

I actually cut out most processed food from my diet several years ago. I have Lupus, and have problems with internal inflammation. I'm not able to tolerate anti-inflammatory medication for various reasons, so my doctor advised me to switch to a natural, healthy diet which was very low on processed foods, which can aggravate inflammation due to their additives and the preparation process.

If I am tempted to buy processed food, I scrutinise the ingredients, and that usually puts me off, because in many cases, the main ingredient - meat or whatever - makes up no more than 30% of the product, and often a lot less. I'd rather buy a fresh free range chicken, or some beautiful Galician pork and cook from scratch. In the long run, it's cheaper as well as healthier.

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