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Oh dear!  I didn't intend to provoke another debate!

Julie Anne, John and I are now living in the town, so the long-term water supply DOES concern us, as well as other people living in Jumilla.  

I was curious to find out  a local's perspective and wanted to share that with you all.  Juana is no expert, though she is a very bright lady and no doubt could have said a lot more in Spanish than she was able to in English,  As I said, I thought it would be interesting to get a feel for the current situation in town regarding water supplies.  I didn't ask Juana for her thoughts on SADM - if I do so, that may very well provoke another debate in future!

My advice to everybody is to chill out and enjoy the rest of the Olympics, as we all have to wait until September now, no matter what our hopes are for the future.

Sue

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Hi Sue...and JA...and FIN.....et al

I was making a point to JA that the global issues dont concern me, because whats done is done and we have no influence over it........

The local information and the supply of services could have a factor when the land is valued to sell off to another developer, making a difference to what we get for our cent in the euro when the possibility of bankruptcy/insolvency is determined.  The insolvency practitioner isnt going to recoup money on whats happening in fanny's bank in New York......he might get more money from a purchaser if its got some water though.

Lets keep it simple if we can...............and not get into lies and fantasy island please.................its just a wind up

Brian

Sue

Wasnt directing the liar bit at you, sorry if it read that way!!!!

I was just making the point as a surveyor who has had to study some geology that taking water from below ground isnt a secret store...its a bit of an emergency measure.  Any natural springwater is sadly too little to supply a populated region, just enough for a small settlement.

Sorry to be the factual harbinger but thats what im taught!!!!...Find out some more if you can.

Brian

Hi All,
We appear to be going all over the place and getting of point. We have had a very nice, polite posting about the water in Jumilla followed by postings trying to rubbish the local knowledge shared with us. 

We have gone into heart surgery, water tables etc and to be honest none of this may or may not be relevant. The only important thing is that some one shared some information with all and then it was burried under a barrage of postings.

Briando, taking water from an underground source is not confined to emergency use the breweries around London do it all time. Is it not nice to have a natural reserve rather than making a dam and drowning a valley or building a resevoir, which do a similar thing?

I thank you Suemac for sharing the info with us and i am gratefull for it. 

I suggest that we all bare in mind: Las Vegas, Dubai, Playa Las Americas etc, as examples of large builds in areas of very very low levels of rain/water supplies. 

All the best I am going to watch the Olympics and the F1 qualifying in Valencia.

Tony

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So who is trying to rubbish anything. Provide facts to back up and it is more than welcome.
Why study as a surveyor with a bias towards geology, when a local knows as much or more.

It is said "water tables etc and to be honest none of this may or may not be relevant.". To those who consider the possibility of no water to be irrelevant, if the devlopment had gone ahead, try selling on if there is no water.

Perhaps such developments not going ahead because developers going bust could save many much in years to come.
Who would buy a property when they are told there may be insufficient water supplies. Guaranteed some would?

Tony

Yes I think you are getting off the point which is a shame.  I dont know why you have widened the whole discussion across the world to the Nevada desert in USA  You dont have an answer to the facts that i am putting in front of you so you are just throwing more rubbish about to make it seem to readers that you have some kind of valid point to make.

I hope the members of SARC are reading this rubbish from you Tony, i am really dissapointed with the way you try and support the absolute rubbish you are posting by clutching at straws. 

To illustrate what i mean the desert city of Las Vegas had a very important development in its life........in the 1930's.  It was called the hoover dam, its situated close enough to the city to supply it with loads of water and the whole region too........why can it do this?  because the rockies are close enough to supply water through the colorado, the colorado is so rich a source of water that it created the grand canyon over millions of years.

I have flown over both these feats of engineering in a small aircraft, man made and natural. They have absolutely nothing on earth to do with water tables or with Spain.  

Read the posting i put in about water tables again if you didnt understand it.....when you take water from below ground, its because you cant get it above ground.....this means a shortage.

It has nothing to do with Las Vegas or with Buxton or the Peckham springs............its a water shortage.

There is a similarity with San Jose though......Las Vegas was depicted as a 'watering hole' for the wild west cowboys, a lawless society, Sadm could do with a couple of saloon bars building for the posse San Jose has sent out.

Brian

 

Dear All
I do not want  to go into a deep and extremely boring post on geology and water cycles. Why not accept that the Mayor and the locals who say that there is water could be right, could that be the reason why there is a town there and it is the centre of a wine growing region? 

As for all of the snipey comments, I will not merit them with any form of reply.

I enjoyed the Olympics and i will enjoy the Valencian GP.

All the best
Tony

Sorry to hear that there are people who find geology and water cycles boring. Glad that not all feel that way or it would be a sorry day for Africa.
This Mayor must be a wonderful man, I am waiting to read that he has offered to connect hosepipes from his home, to all purchasers on SADM.
If  the Mayor was right, why did his Council and Government waste money on having surveys and reports prepared?
He could have saved the local hundreds of thousands of Euros.
As the Mayor is so well informed, it is surprising that he did not know, or foresee the problems with SADM development and its developers, some time ago, as he would have had priviledge information regarding the alleged non payment of fees for the Building Licences.
There again, some believe what they want.

If you didnt want to go into the boring talk of geology, why did you?.......OK i accept the locals may be right......i accept the world could be flat..........I think the mayor may be able to turn water int wine................i am convinced San Jose builders are really nice chaps................

I am about to wake up in the shower in 2001 and my money will be safe and i will walk down the yellow brick road to see aunty em and toto waiting for me.

ahhhhhhhhhh......life is good when you live in the world of sadm

Hi Fin,
I am glad your  wit is as good as ever.  I did not say that i find  geology and water cycles boring but that i did not want to write a boring post about it. For example..... deoxygenation, algal blooms, coliforms, nitrates and nitrites in water run off etc.

It is a very large subject and to be quite honest is not what people really want to read about on a forum set up for property purchasers. It would be very good for an enviromental or ecological forum and it could even cover effects on eco systems and biodiversity etc. 

Briando,
I  am concerned that you believe that the world is flat when we can all see the bumps. Glad that you are in good humour.

People are worried about there money, whether their home will be built, if they can get their money back etc and are waiting to see if the refinancing of SADM goes ahead and the outcome of the administration process.

All the best to you and i still want my House.

Tony

Tony

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Tony, when you next talk with your good friend the Mayor (obviously the only responisble local politician in Spain), perhaps you may wish to ask him exactly when was it that he was made aware of the problems with SADM development and its developers and how long before administration was he aware of  the alleged non payment of fees for the Building Licences.
Surely the Town hall senior staff would have informed ?
If not, why not?