A resale purchase

Sorry about the Title first thing that I could think of.

Tony Malpass, Brian and Mags Dornan having been working hard to get an informative dialogue going between all parties concerned in the adminstration process of [b]Herrada del Tollo[/b] in order to obtain the best information possible for the benefit of all concerned.

They arranged several meetings here in Spain and invited David and myself to attend.  They flew over yesterday morning and flew back this afternoon.  Hence the reason I am posting this information.

Yesterday afternoon Tony, Brian, David and myself had a meeting with Almudena in the San Jose offices.  This meeting was very open and frank on both sides.

At 1.00 today at the office on site in Santa Ana del Monte.  We were introduced to Abraham Garcia Gascon and Jose Antonio Pascual Navarro two of the court Administrators, and various other associates who are helping them in this process,  Pepe Rodriguez, President of San Jose Inversiones, his son Damien, the Company auditor and again various associates.

Following this the whole party attended a meeting at the Jumilla Ayuntamiento with Francisco Abellan, The Mayor of Jumilla, Council Abagado and the Head of Planning.  Neither of whose names I can remember.

We left the Ayuntamiento and had lunch with all except the Mayors party.

We have gathered a tremendous amount of  first hand information to the benefit of all. 

I have taken a lot of notes and I have agreed to put this information together, hopefully concisely.  It will take me a while. I will be as quick as I can but need to get it right so please be patient.  I will then email it to Tony and Brian, who will probably add the bits I have missed, and upload to the SARC website for all to see.

I would like to say a big thank you to Tony, Brian and Mags (who unfortunately was not here) for giving us this opportunity which was invaluable. 

A big thank you to you all for arranging this and sharing the information with us. We are extremely grateful to each and everyone of you.
Debbie & Roy

Yes ! A very big thank you Linda Needham for all your work. We look forward to your report. 
Saludos.

A great big thankyou to all of you from us as well. Looking forwards to your report Linda and co. Cheers Joanniemac

Thankyou so much . Linda I am really glad you were there it is reasuring as  I know we can look forward to hearing the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, good or bad about what was actually  said .Once again thank you for your time. JA

Well done to the SARC group leaders and Linda,  and also for taking the trouble to fly out to spain, it must have been hard leaving the good weather of britain for a couple of days. i am flying out tomorow for a long weekend. hope its not raining out there.

anyway once again and look to forward to reading your report.

Thats a stunningly good development, well done.

Look forward to hearing what you picked up, would have given you a couple of questions myself if i had known.

Linda et all

Fantastic, I'm glad the SARCO 'team' have channelled all their energy in making this meeting happen and we too look forward to hearing the report.

daveR - It's fabulously sunny and extremely hot out here at the moment so make sure you bring ur sun cream. (hope Charmaine is well)

regards
Darren

Why did we not know  this was happening ? I am sure many people would have had specific questions they would  have liked  to ask or have had the opportunity to have these Qs asked on their behalves.
 Perhaps more people would have been able to go along , if asked to do so. 
Not even the SARCO people new about these meetings .So nice of the leaders of SARCO to be so sure of what our fears and aspirations are without asking us, or asking if there are any particular points we would want them to raise. 
I am  glad Linda was there , she is factual accurate and precise but I was unnerved when she said she would type up from her notes and than send to IWMH leaders to add etc and then they would post on SARC 
. Personally I would rather see Linda's  first draft .  
However I am not worried as Linda always tells it as it is one way or another.
And if  for any reason this does not happen I can share the minutes I have with you.

To quote -: Tony Malpass, Brian and Mags Dornan having been working hard to get an informative dialogue going between all parties concerned in the administration process of [b]Herrada del Tollo[/b] 
I am a party concerned have you represented my views and wishes to the administrators et al at these meetings .I  think not.

I question the wisdom and impartiality of a court appointed administrators and  the others involved in court action to have and to hold such meetings with minority groups who could be perceived as representing the majority of  buyers .When in fact they are a  minority.

In my opinion this could call into question the impartiality  and legality of the administrator , I for one will be raising this  with the  lawyers who represent me for  both the developments in which I have an interest . I will be asking them to make the judge aware of this situation and my unease  with the imbalance of  information given by one group  to the administrators . One sided information which does not take into account the whole situation for all purchasers and people who already live on SJ developments.
Just one other point who is the president of SJ  I thought it was Jose Rodriguez Murcia and I should know I have been dealing with him for nye on 5 yr. It seems it is now Pepe Rodriguez  (please explain ) The minute is careful not to mention him.
  I have said this before to the leaders of IWMH you are coming  very close to the point where British buyers could take you through the UK courts with  litigation charges for unlawfully impeding and obstructing  their rights of  fair representation and justice under European legislation
As I have said before be careful of what you say and who you claim to represent .

Do you think for one second the only person taking minutes at these meetings was Linda , I already have copy of what was said.  AND I DON'T LIKE IT .


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Sorry Linda this post has alarmed me rather than reassured and once again since buying at Jumilla am having another sleepless night, 3am in the morning and my brain is swirling with possible scenarios.

I too have concerns as how this is being handled if Tony and Brian flew over yesterday and back today and invited yourself and David why was the information not made public via the forums so that more of us who also live in Spain could have the chance to attend if we so wished or even post questions that could be asked.
You state that these meetings are for the benefit of all but how can that be? not everyone wants the same outcome but only one side is represented.

Why the secrecy why are we told after the meetings and not before? also whilst I accept that there is probably copious amounts of notes from all these meetings,why do we have to wait for the information to be put together surely it could be presented for now in brief bullit points with full explainations to follow.

I thought the administrators were meant to be impartial and report to the judge on assets and liabilities of the developer now we find that they are lunching with members of the board of directors and forum members who do not speak for all concerned. One can only hazard a guess as to why the Mayors party did not join you for lunch perhaps they were afraid of being tainted with the corruption you spoke about on one of your recent postings. Pity the administrators did'nt follow suit.

From your comments it would appear that the findings will only be posted on the SARC website why not the general forums as well? or is the information only for those that want the same outcome.

I mean no disrespect to you Tony, or Brian but this strikes me as very underhand and I cannot join in the general glee of thank you's because at the moment we have no information as to what we are thanking you for, other than informing us of a meeting that has already taken place.



Arlene

R4 Parcela 564

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Lets get everything clear hear and I may calm down

1.  'Several' meetings were arranged
2.  Minutes have been taken
3. No notification to Forum members of ANY of these several meetings
4. No questions invited from Forum members to be put representing ALL our concerns
5.  SJ President and son attended then lunched with three members of the Forum
6. Meeting held with the Administrators and Associates followed by lunch
7. Meeting with the Major of Jumilia and Town Planners


This must have taken quite some arranging.  How long has this been organised for?  Are these minutes signed by the Administrators/SJ Presidents, Major and Town Planners?  Were these meetings Legal when the Public dont even know what's going on.  Have they produced a Public Report yet for all of us that have invested thousands of euros to allay our fears.  Perhaps SARCO already has this too before being made public knowledge?

Did you invited the Costa Blanca News and media so that they could publish the outcome of such important meetings with facts?  Are you going to ask them to publish the Minutes?

Im sure Im not alone in my thoughts, but personally its costing me a small fortune speaking to a Lawyer who in turn is speaking to the Administrators on my behalf.  Its costing me more BECAUSE of San Jose and its President!  I hope he didnt pay for your lunch out of CLIENTS  money held safely in an Account!  Was the bill split?

I dont begrudge your efforts but for heavens sake give the rest of us some courtesy and inform this Forum before you represent us.

I am looking forward to the Minutes (and wholeheartedly believe Lindas will be accurate), but I will be asking my Lawyer some very pointed questions as to its legality.

martin and sally

Dear all
            SARC has only been going after we came back from Spain on 23rd may 2008
         
we Stated that it was our intention to get to meet the people who have the pwer to influence the outcome of this process
        
We asked David and Linda to attend as they were
 a)living there 
B) independant and asked if she would do the minutes so that we could not be accused of underhanded or falsifing the outcomes good or bad.

We have always said that with a positive slant you can achieve much I thank David and Linda for giving up the time required to attend both meeting Neither Tony or Myself will alter anything that linda reports back to you the forum we will on make sure that we agree which I can forsee no reason not to.
and await her report

As for the lunch we stayed 20mins out of maners as is with spanish custom and then left for the airport.

please remember that Tony and I paid for our flights, Accomodation and car hire for both visits this one and the one in May and in our own time 

regards Brianmags

I think you have all lost the plot.

1. This was not a campaign or anything like it in which to push anyones views, wants or needs.  It was purely a fact finding mission. 

2. I fail to see how anyone got minutes as none were taken by anyone.  I made notes to remind myself of what was said in order to something together for all to see. My brain cells are not as good these days. I nor anyone else took minutes.  I know I was there.

3.  The reason the facts will not go on any forum is because the SARC website will not be or have a forum for discussion.  It is not my party but I agreed with the guys thinking in that if there is first hand, factual information there needs to be somewhere it can be seen in its pure state. It can then be debated on here.  We did have a chat about this.

I have been on this forum for around 4 years being the 2nd member too post and for the first time ever I really feel I dont want to be on here anymore.  I mostly feel really disappointed and sad because so many assumptions are made with absolutely no basis for those assumptions.

I went in search of the truth as it exists at this present time and chose to share it with all, as did Tony and Brian.  It will help everyone as the truth always does.  It is in everyones interest surely to know and understand for themselves what the real situation is in order to make better and informed decisions what ever they want in the end. I can understand why people automatically jumped to conclusions but why not just ask the question.  Why such aggression. There was nothing underhand. 

Anyone could have thought of and taken this initiative in their own right.  I did not. you did not.  Tony and Brian did.  The language used at all times, by all parties, with the exception of the one meeting with Almudena, was Spanish.  Most of the time neither Tony or Brian even understood what was going on.  Hence David and I being there.  David has better Spanish comprehension skills than I do.

What I will say is that during all the discussions that took place I was extremely surprised at the general feeling of optimism and positiveness from all concerned around the tables.

I will now get on with trying to put together some form of document for Tony and Brian.

Linda , dont be disheartened . There are people on this and other forums who are extremely grateful to you and David. You know the old adage you cant please all of the people all of the time! There are a few who are aggresive and negative and in particular some who have more faces than the town hall clock!!! No need to name and shame, but thankfully they are in the minority. At least you all have had the gumption to seek information from those that are really in the know. Dont let these people get you down, if you do then they have won. Looking forwards to your factual report.Cheers Joanniemac

Linda, Brian and Tony you are owed an apology.  Apology! No one begrudges you for meeting, discussing and trying to obtain information.  What you have read should have been started with a huge WOW!  How did you manage to arrange the President/Administrators and the Major in one day! Truely is was a major major meeting which so many of us would have loved even one question each put to these people.  What you are reading is based on anger at this Company , sheer frustration and with more costs to come still no house and having spent probably in excess of £4.000 in the past two years going out to seek information , pretty low on funds now.  We are undoubtedly not the  only ones feeling tierd of worrying, upset with this Company but perhaps should stop expressing  it at all now, or at the very least not treat it like a personal diary room entry! 

We cant speak Spainish either (yet), so would have at best been useless at a meeting  of this level without Linda. .or someone speaking spanish.  Your notes will be very welcomed Linda as always. 

Your good guys with as much at stake as the rest of us. Sorry folk

martin and sally

What the hell is happening to this forum ? !!!!!!!

This is what i said when i read it and i still mean it.........................

Thats a stunningly good development, well done.

Look forward to hearing what you picked up, would have given you a couple of questions myself if i had known.

I do wish i could have given you some input prior to going, and that i may have had an opportunity to get some information other than the 'positive' things you mention.  News is not always positive to everyone, we know that from experience on here.  The postings are understandably surprised ones....i thought you would have expected that anyway?

Brian 

" I have taken a lot of notes " the note of any meeting is a minute
notes / minute who cares

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Linda  well done and we appreciatte you and what you do and have done thank you. also thankyou to the others aswell   well done.

"Do you think for one second the only person taking minutes at these meetings was Linda , I already have copy of what was said.  AND I DON'T LIKE IT ."

The Truth, Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth. So help me God.