A resale purchase

Hi Ja,

No one makes you read anything. You are free to read what you wish or even to switch off your PC. You are free to have your own opinion and to have that right defended. So we have exactly the same freedom, so why not just relax, have a glass of wine and chill out.........

Me.......I want my House and i want you all to have the opportunity to have yours too!

My best wishes to all ( yes I am feeling much more chilled out than i did earlier )

Tony

Glad your chilled out and in a pious mood.

I am having a very crap time at the moment, the ilness in the familly i mentioned the other day has got to the end of its time and i just went from yorkshire to weston s mare and back from 4 pm till now...its what...nearly 1 am.

I thought i would have a look and see whats happened on here before i have a go at getting to sleep.  It would be really good to have some spare cash right now, or a house in Spain so i can get a little income.  There is much i could do with it.

I dont have either and all i see on here is the same old useless crap about selfish behaviour, lies and deceipt.

I paid for my petrol to weston.....lets have the whole truth now......who paid for the air fares, who paid for the mayors lunch, who supplied transport around Spain.  More subsidy?  What else do SJ want from me......send me a stamped box and i will send them the shirt off me back as well.

And why has Linda not truthfully answered my question yet.

Whats up with you people, is it some kind of monopoly game your playing?   want a hotel on mayfair as well?

Brian

Linda, not et all

We have known each other a long time and im saddened that you are now in a similar position as we have been puta number of times "damed if you do - dmaned if you don't". I'm personally appalled by how yo have been treated and for sure, i vcan say now hand on heart, i hope the urb does not go ahead because there are a lot of names i certainly do not want to meet let alone be neighbours to.

As for the notes, sod them all, keep them to yourself, you guys took the effort to arrange at your own cost and it's still not good enough. Over the last 4 years, i have had the same, take, take, take......................i'll not make any friends biut those doing the asking, get off ur asses and do something for yourselves and others if you think what we do is not enough, or has to be questioed. I for one have had enough. So here'sour position once and for all.... we want our money back.

From this day forward, i will not post any info i receive that may be of use, the 30-day deadline is questioned and made out that it might be in-factual, we will not pursue SADM, business or as residence, I will no longer respond to PM's.............. sort ur own bl**dy selves out.

I for one have had enough

Glad to see you speak sense darren and are in the IWMMB group! Linda think its good you were there (especially as its tony and Brian who were there - half the time they dont speak english let alone spanish!)

My frustration is not with you going it is with there being no posting with regard to the detail. This was days ago and as we are within a thirty day period people are very time conscious. Frustration here is vented at the developer and (honestly) to those who try to shove the IWMHB campaign down our throats (you are not included)

I would understand if you dont post given the hostility but there are people looking forwrad to reading.

darren and Linda thought this smiley suited you both in your own individual ways

Well done everyone, another long time member [ Darren]  does not want to post due to the attitudes of a few. You`re right Darren damned if you do damned if you don`t ! I for one have been extremely grateful for your information and I do hope you have a change of heart. To the antagonists,! hang your heads in shame! Cheers Joaniemac

Joanniemac 
look at the facts and who has caused this bad feeling no one has said anything derogotory to Darren and I like you hope he has a change of heart.His info is always welcomed and balanced. None of us like the stick and carrot / cloak and dagger approach adopted by Tony and Brian . No one holds Linda in any way responsible for their actions on the contrary we have all thanked God she was there and trust and respect her.Show me one comment disrespecting Linda none of the comments were directed at her.We must all look at the misinformation slants and angles Tony and Brian have put on all of this  and as I have said before they are themselves in danger of personal litigation under European and Uk law if they "affect the process " to their own ends to the detriment of others using information intenional or otherwise  to mislead or misinform.

Joniemac I am not trying to give Scots a bad name Scots are famous for upholding justice , fairness , equality  and honesty all over the world  .Our legal system is second to none and is infact the legal system which has been most replicated throughout the modern world. If standing up for fair play brings shame on my fellow Scots then so be it. JA

Julie

I agree that none of the recent comments have been specifically linked to linda or Darren except the criticism that it was said Linda would communicate back days ago and she hasnt. Given her interpretation of the comments though I supose this is not to be blamed. Indeed she could well ahve given her comments to the two ronnies by now anyway. They work for the NHS and we all know how efficient that can be sometimes.

I never was religious but as I know Tony has been struck down and confined to bed rest with flu.. I'm starting to feel more spiritual by the day

There are no arguments like this on santaanadelmonte.net and everyone just tries to help each other. The main difference is that the IWMH crew stay on here


This message was last edited by lincoln on 7/12/2008.

Hi All,
It is a shame that when any one tries to do anything positive that get slagged off and if you mention it you get slagged off again.  Enough of the childish name calling, we should all stop it right now. 

Some of us have spent our own money, used our initative to help ALL purchasers and before you even have got any of the information that has been learnt it al turns nasty. No one benifits from that and most certainly not the majority of the purchasers. Common sense says find out what is going on and let every one know, there is no point making any decisions without doing that. 

Despite all of the hostility, which, is totally misplaced ( of course we are all upset and stressed and some more so for personal reasons) as it should not be aimed at fellow purchasers, the information will be available to all. That was the point of getting it, so that we could all have a better idea of what is going on and get some of the questions that we have all been asking answered.

Those of you who wish to get your money back, I have said many times that I respect your choice but it is a shame that it appears to not be reciprocated.  

Darren I hope that you will continue to post as I find your postings helpfull and informative for all.

I hope that we can use this communication asset to gain and share information and have constructive dialogue and try to remember that we are all in the same position and not snipe at one and other. 

I suggest that making snide remarks about an organisation that many owe their health and lives to is not really a very sensible thng to do and is quite sad and tasteless.

All the best to you all

Tony R17 18 

This message was last edited by TonyMal on 7/12/2008.

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i feel better for that informative exchange.........well done

I think we have gone away from the truth whole truth....etc. recently, can i get back to reality for a while please.  I got some spare minutes to list some things.

Just want to backtrack a few weeks and re-state the options here if i may.

If the administration closes with the resounding hallelujah that the builder can carry on with the project, there are still many many over-run contracts where properties are not built or started...is that correct...  

No one can impose a fresh contract on a depositor, its not a dictatorship, so if the builder goes ahead, everyones happy, its agreed the deposits can be paid back, and i for one (with many like minded individuals) will ask for my money back immediately.

The people then wanting the place built have the same builder, but many less deposits and customers and have to attract new custom, and i say good luck and hope you get what you wish for.....as they do to me.

When we hear of things like...the administrators are having meetings with residents comittees and the administrator is deciding how to use the money in deposit accounts, its an extreme wind up for people........but its just blah blah blah really.

If the deposits have to be kept in a secure account by Spanish Law (57 1986 was it?...check with your solicitor), you can shout boo and hiss if the builder broke the law......but the administrator to break the law, in a mercantile court?  Your havin a laff.

The only way the builder can carry on is if the whole thing stacks up....including paying back on failed contracts.  Thats why customers are so important to them......i am happy each time the SARC scheme gains momentum, it helps my cause to get me my money back.

I wont stand for any kind of subsidy though......and neither will the solicitors.....in the end thats why they may be worth their money.

Brian

Hi Braindo,
lots of conjecture but all I can say is that people getting their property and others getting their money is not contradictory, both can happen.

As for your situation with Albatera, that development was SJ not HDT and you may be in a rather unique position and I truly hope that it gets resolved for you.  If there is any way that we can help you just ping an email and we will do what we can.

All the best to you.
Tony

Brian


I think you need to take legal advice is SJ manage to stay afloat about whether you could have your deposit reunded (within the next three years) Part of the judges role is to protect sj from the existin creditors short term so that they can function long term. There is no automatic retrieval of money if the build goes ahead but possibly a long long wait and legal wrangle.

Braindo


I think you need to take legal advice is SJ manage to stay afloat about whether you could have your deposit reunded (within the next three years) Part of the judges role is to protect sj from the existin creditors short term so that they can function long term. There is no automatic retrieval of money if the build goes ahead but possibly a long long wait and legal wrangle.

Hi Lincoln

The administration process is the protection that the company wanted and took.   Whilever the administration exists the protection from creditors is in place, all the concurso rules apply.

The end of the administration is when the company are on their own again, if the administrators are confident they can operate then they carry on, if not they fall into liquidation.  There are no half way houses and the reason why is..............

If they carry on building and the creditors are held at bay, who will supply them a bag of cement.....If they have an army of creditors with deposits on plots wanting their money back, how do they sell the plots again as the build continues, who buys onto a site that has a list of creditors....the development would not prosper, its a dead duck.  You think re-financing is difficult now....crikey moses think whats to come.

If there is a hold on the deposits being paid back....our lawyers sue...costs and interest is added on and is entitled to form part of the claim and debt....the amount of pressure on the company increases....the future with a half way house solution is...

Less customers, more pressure on finances, local press and knowledge saying there are a heap of creditors waiting to be paid and suing the company......Think it through.....is it hard to sell houses in Spain right now?.......will it be peaches and cream to sell houses on sites with a string of creditors and law suits......be carefull people.

If one of the administrated companies go bust and the other stays afloat, both under the same holding company.....the question of cross financing is then under scrutiny and there is another legal challenge.............be carefull

I took legal advice and retained a solicitor around 5 or 6 weeks ago Lincoln and have a good dialogue when i need it.

If they go back to Spain for another usefull meeting Lincoln,  please go with them, it may then be more use.  The finances of SJ and HDT are mixed together...i am convinced of it....there are better questions to ask than when will the licence be bought, thats a long way off yet.  

Thanks...brian

Hello Everyone,

I am a purchaser at the El Pinet development after transferring recently from Albatera which by the way is not going ahead (Albatera)
I dont normally view these threads as i dont have an interest in Jumilla but having done so i am so taken aback by the childish bickering going on here, it seems to me that one or more of you have a great big chip on your shoulders!!

I would like to say that Tony has been very helpful and polite to me even though i am not purchasing at jumilla, i only wish he was fighting for El Pinet and if he was i would not be so rude to give him the grief he is getting on here.
Perhaps you should all try growing up and stop throwing your dummies out of the pram!!

FAR

PS Tony sorry to hear you had the flu, it was good of you to reply to my email when it appears you were not well! Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks FAR

Nice to get some information. that may be of use

How did you get informed of the Albatera site not going ahead, what decision is made and who by, let me have the contact details of the manager or decision maker who told you please.

How recently did you change to El Pinet?

Thanks

Brian

Hello Brian,

I changed to El Pinet at end of April this year, as for Albatera i am not at liberty to tell you where i got my information but having waited 4 years for Albatera i have made the right decision, that is all i can say!

FAR

Yep i waited that long as well.

I asked for my money refunded last October and they promised it to us.....after chasing it for months it was to be refunded in July......then they called the administrators in 3 weeks after telling us......good eh.

I like the 'not at liberty to tell you' bit..lol...everyone has secrets it seems, its pretty much how things are done in Spain.....

Luvly Jubbly

Hello Brian,

I know how you feel as we unsuccessfully recovered our money over a period of about a year because my husband at the time would not even look at El Pinet because it was not on a golf course, he is glad now that he recently did go to see it as it is really beautiful, he was so taken with it he agreed to give up the golf course idea.

Jumilla was never an option for us as it is too far inland for us with too many properties to be built there.
We know people who did receive cheques from San Jose for a full refund but these continually bounced so for us a transfer was the only way and we are really happy with El Pinet and it is by  no means inferior to Albatera, on the contrary it is probably the better investment by far due to its location.

I hope you get a positive outcome too, i am optimistic that our house will get finished.

WE WANT OUR HOUSE AT EL PINET

FAR