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09 Apr 2010 12:00 AM by wakemans Star rating. 56 forum posts Send private message

Kindly posted on a previous thread ( I want my house ) but seems to have been ignored.

Explains clearly how liquidation will benefit people without a BG

 

 

Position Statement on HdT Settlement Agreement from SARC
 
The above statement is poorly advised.
 
A few observations from me as a Chartered Quantity Surveyor with 40 years experience in the property and construction industry in Europe:-
 
1) Is it in your best interest to trust a company to deliver a product when they have patently failed in the first instance? This is inviting further pain and suffering. I have dealt with many liquidation scenarios and usually the business failure is due to incompetence or fraud or a combination of both
 
2) If you do proceed to pump more funds into this company what is to prevent them/you from ending up in exactly the same position a few years from now? The management is clearly incompetent.
 
3) Has any satisfactory answer been provided as to where all the initial up front cash went? Clearly the land cost plus  "development" carried out on the ground, plus materials on site, plus HdT overhead in the form of obtaining planning permissions/administering its company as opposed to the cash taken in is NOT EQUAL AND OPPOSITE.  So where did this cash go and why? We have not seen any evidence from the administrator to inform us other than a statement of assets of the company which came out in January 2009. I insert a reminder of that issue of Asses and Liabilities from January 2009  below for those of you who have forgotten
 

 

 
Assets
€ '000
 
 
 
1
Properties
189,042
2
Long Term Investments
1,363
3
Inventory/Stock
29,455
4
Investments in Companies which are part of the Group
2,205
5
Short Term Investments
1,648
6
Cash
33
 
 
 
 
Sub Total
223,746
 
 
 
7
Debts including amounts to be paid by buyers if they want their houses
137,997
 
 
 
 
Total
361,743
 
 
 
8
Liabilities
 
 
 
 
 
Total Monies Owing to Buyers
80.881

 

 
Ignore item 7 in the table above as this is the total that HdT were calling for finishing the houses already sold off plan ie the further monies that you would have had to pay HdT as detailed in your purchase contracts.
 
4) From the above table the total debts owing are € 80 million( ie cash taken  in the form of deposits from us) . The total tangible assets are €223 million. Even given a fire sale of these assets they should be able to repay 100% of any debts owing.
 
5) When items 3 and 6 in the table above are added together they total a paltry €29 million; HdT has taken in €80 million from us; where has the other €51 million gone? Bear in mind that the Inventory and Stock in 3 above is what is actually “on site” at the moment which in my view as a cost consultant to the construction industry is GROSSLY OVERVALUED. It does not take €29 million to pursue a planning permission plus build on site that which stands there now.
 
6) I intend to ask my layers and the Administrators for a full breakdown of the funds taken in by HdT and how they have been used plus any “inter-company” transfers made by directors as there may be a case for matters beyond incompetence in administration.



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12 Apr 2010 10:02 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Dear Wakemans,

I am sorry to have to reply to you but you have asked me to:

I am concerned that some one who claims to have such professional experience of construction & particularly in Europe also admits that he does not have a BG. I am surprised as you must have known that buying off plan can be plagued with problems and delays. That is normally why the prices are  cheaper than key ready properties. So with your vast experience you have allready made one error in judgement & unfortunatley I feel that you are making an error  in judgement again!

You may list assets & think that they will be sold easily and even attain their listed value but I am sorry that is very economically  niave.

There isan economic disaster happening and who, if anyone wants to buy them. As for getting the listed value. have you ever seen a  shop that is closing down achieving the same prices for its stock? No you have not because its a buyers market and people are after bargains. Do not forget that some ones bargian is some one elses sorrow.

You mention accountants, well I sought advice from a chartered accountant, a European Finance Director to precise and he said that liquidation is to be avoided at all costs & that if it did happen that we would have very little chance of getting anything back.

So lets cast our minds back to few liquidations in the UK and can we think of any that ended favourably for the creditors?

MG,  NO, MFI, NO, Chritstmas Hamper Company, NO, I could go on. 

I understand your anger and frustration but it clouds your judgment and objectivity, liquidation is not a good option for those of us without BG's .

I am sorry but you are so very wrong.

I wish you all the best

SAVE YOUR MONEY,SAVE YOUR HOUSE, SAVE SADM

 

 


 



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12 Apr 2010 10:52 PM by julie anne Star rating. 1103 forum posts Send private message

Tony , you are one arrogant and ill informed little person !!!!! I am going to enjoy watching you reap the misfortune  you have engineered for yourself 

 The advice of God almighty himself would be wasted on you .Tony knows everything and is a fountain of knowledge !!!!!!

Watch this space you are  in for a rude awakening .The bigger they think they are the harder they fall .There is going to be one hell of a huge bang !!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!  

PS Tony .how dare you slag off anyone for not having a BG . Please ask you friend Almu why 95% don't have one !!!!!!!

As we all know the deposits when paid by purchasers should  have been  lodged with the banks by HdT/SJ and registered as off plan payments at which point HdT /SJ should have instructed  the banks to  issue BGs .This did not happen .Why Tony ?

We were all taking HdT/SJ at their word .They let us down badly and broke the law !!!!!!! and you are asking purchasers  to trust them again . How dare you! !!!!!!  Ask Almu where the BGs are !!!! and why purchasers should trust her again .

" The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour " I would like you Tony to stop asking others to explain their motives !!!! It is time you explained yours !!!!!!! 

 On exactly which previous good experiences of this companies behaviour are people supposed to  place their trust ???? Why should they vote for continuation of these crooks ?????

I am damned if I can think of  one single reason that  they deserve the support of anyone they have lied to ,  cheated and robbed .  !!!!!!!!!!

 


 



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12 Apr 2010 11:09 PM by redman Star rating. 235 forum posts Send private message

Isn't it a shame they didn't put this much effort into giving everyone a Bank Guarantee in the first place.  Liquidate these crooks.




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12 Apr 2010 11:48 PM by julie anne Star rating. 1103 forum posts Send private message

If they are sooooo sure of their continuation plan .Why can they not issue all purchasers who wish to continue a BG now ???????

Send Almu a clear message No BGs  No vote .Simples !!!!

Tony why did you not fight for BGs !!!!!!!!!!  

The whole thing is a joke trouble is no one is laughing  JA




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13 Apr 2010 1:59 PM by wakemans Star rating. 56 forum posts Send private message

Hi Tony,

We were promised a BG from day 1 but as we all know San Jose refused to act legally & give them.

As for the assets we say selling 223.000.000 of assets for 80.000.000 looks like a good deal to the lucky purchaser of the assets but a poor deal for San Jose, which is why I belive that is why they want us to continue.

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13 Apr 2010 6:16 PM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

Oh dear me Tony these companies you mentioned had nothing to save, they had NO assets are you telling us SJ/HDT have no assets either

JA,  I'm with you all the way on this, the time for decrying those with or without BG's is long past, not a thing anyone can do now except jail the thieves no better still line em up agin a wall and let the creditors take pot shots who knows one of the thieves may beg forgiveness

Let em know what is it like to loose your lifes savings we have all been there I cant make up anyones mind but you all know where my vote would go and it wouldn't be to keep em in luxury or even business if that is what you can call it



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Great Auntie Linda

 



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