Should there be a second referendum?

" many figures are massaged to look 'Not as bad as it would seem'" - all right, now I know why I cannot find out too much about immigrants from Somalia. Nigeria or Pakistan - how much they contribute and much they take in benefits...
In regards of Poles - I know some of them in the UK but none who sends money to their old country. There must be some but that process has been rather reduced currently. Instead many have settled in the UK and reinvested what they earned into businesses and properties - and that's why they are dangerous. Adapt quicker, take jobs and stay in them - and it can be any jobs. From builders to IT. Too competitive. 

The equivalance aspect to this ( where you compare between originating country and host nation) does not appear to have been correctly addressed by the EU in terms of realistic impact assessments which have sadly lead to the undermining of cohesion that as many have noted the UK prides itself upon.

After the war many Polish people who settled here ( and were welcomed given their contribution to the war effort, and considered hard workers) had to report on a yearly basis to the authorities and were only provided with citizenship after 10 years. You never heard of them claiming benefits or even having the benefit of a minimum wage back then, as they were so grateful for the opportunity to live and work in a country that provided them with opportunity to contribute to society. You never heard of bemoaning of the low wages that many initially earned.

UK Pension credit appears to be linked to habitual residence.

I do not see anyone from anywhere who is legally resident in the UK applying for Pension Credit could fail, even if they had never paid a bean in.

It would be interesting to know how the same person ( never paid a bean in) would stand in Spain? for any type of state pension payment.

It's increasingly looking likely that a new Referendum... is coming in the shape of a general election if this happens all the party's concerned  could risk civilian unrest ..tte.likes of what you are seeing in France personally I think it's time to stop playing political point scoring and get on with what people voted for....the likes of Scotland/Northern Ireland willingly took part in the Referendum as part of the UK ...why can't these countries accept that when you vote as part of a Democratic collective  you have to accept the outcome of any majority vote this is Democracy...it would have made more sense if the political parties in Scotland/Northern Ireland had instructed party followers not to take part in any vote ..doing it this way would have forced the Government in power to cancel the Referendum until they sorted out the problems involving staying in or leaving.

Are "people" allowed to change their mind?

Pjck ...yes if you did vote to stay IN..then I don't see any reason why you can't  change you mind and voting out ...now you know the contemptible way we are getting treated by the EU.

Only then? What if voted to leave and then I changed my mind?

Now why would  anybody want to vote IN ... that's already previously voted OUT.... anyway according to the IN crowd only old people voted out ...and are now dead so we the IN crowd want another vote and we have been lied to...what they should have put on that big red bus was ...if you want to save the NHS and your penions..send the 390,000 EU citizens claiming benefits in the UK back home to claim the dole from there EU countries of origin.

The whole Brexit topic no matter what the final outcome ‘if any’ was so finely split in the referendum that arguments and disagreements will always continue with the current generation. Sack May, general election, another referendum, do a deal, no deal, it will go on forever without public agreement. What suits one is Teddy out of the pram for the other.

At least it is something to talk about instead of having to watch Strictly.

"send the 390,000 EU citizens claiming benefits in the UK back home to claim the DOLE from there EU countries of origin"
So are they on the dole in the UK?

Or maybe they just take back part of what they paid in taxes (in form of Tax Credits) and leave the rest in HMRC? For those who do not do anything?
So when they go they won't claim benefits but won't contribute anything.
And they will take their doctors an nurses with them - that will definitely help NHS.

But no worries. They won't go anywhere. That won't happen.

Yes you are right...the EU nurses & Doctors aren't going anywhere as they are in the UK for a good reason...that being NHS pays them.. .Extremely well .I don't think you will see any of them claiming low earnings Tax credits .do your homework.

I'm right. NOBODY will be sent back home.

Brexit can be cancelled after a second referendum against leaving the European Union or a vote in the House of Commons, Europe’s highest court in Luxembourg the ECJ has ruled. Further Britain can resume its membership of the EU with all its existing rights, op-outs and budget rebate advantages.

If a second referendum is agreed by MP's article 50 can be withdrawn by a majority vote in parliament. A new referendum could be held as early as next May. I think most reasonable people on both sides of this debate can see the advantages and the need for the vote to take place. Extremists of course will protest. However the decision to leave the EU is such a momentous one for the future of Britain it surely is a necessary process to unite a divided people.

Can we assume you are a remainer?

Well, how strange is that, the EU court telling us we can stop article 50, who would have guessed that, the EU has done a fantastic job of making the EU the hardest thing to leave if only to show others what will happen if they also wanted out.

The people are not 'Divided'   they are totally confused by all the 'What will happen when we leave'  rubbish that has come out over the past year or so,  and it shows it has worked for the benefit of the EU....Biggest bunch of crooks ever.

Why class one side of the debate as “ extremists” Mickeyfinn? That inflammatory rhetoric is misleading and inciteful.

Just as the inference of this being a “right wing” viewpoint, as there were many of all political persuasions who have been disillusioned with the EU establishment and the way they failed to listen to people’s genuine concerns at the impact of their intransigent policies on the UK, the lack of impact analysis and adequate preplanning at the highest levels in the EU establishment, the lack of flexibility to respond to uncomfortable realities associated with uncontrolled free movement, greater equivalence analysis to face realities associated with impacts on infrastructure, educational systems, health system, benefit systems, etc etc..... and REALISTIC timings to adjust without causing major disruption , the desire for a federal state linked to the eurozone, the way their ideology has SADLY undermined cohesion not only in the UK but across other European states which has led to an insurgence of discontent and disillusionment.

And before this all gets blamed on the UK government who have followed a speedy path to benefit reforms of late etc, in an attempt to manage reforms from within, please don’t lose sight of the outside interference that has exacerbated the UKs ability to do so “ after the horse has bolted” so to speak.....accommodating far more people in that process.

Many say this in total frustration of the failure of the EUs willingness to reform and set in place trusted mechanisms to adequately listen to people’s genuine concerns.... far more dictatorial than many desire, and the UKs loss of effective influence in that process. Plus as global trading changes the EU are losing their market share.....the UK has always been a trading nation that has thrived on a flexible approach but much comes down to the ability to so in a far more independent and manageable manner that pays attention to realities associated with their own systems, their own economic circumstances, and not be dictated to by those who have a different mindset and objective.

This is NOT so black and white as some would suggest. And many do not trust the EU to demonstrate a far more flexible approach so necessary to retain cohesion of its citizens, to adapt IN A TIMELY MANNER to such widely differing cultures and systems. One size does not fit all. This has probably been a wake up call, but to expect the UK to pay for such intransigence until such time as reform and treaty change is forthcoming, is sadly for many a step too far. The voice of one against 27 is no longer acceptable to many under the current arrangements.

That is not to say that we can’t achieve an acceptable arrangement outside the EU with our friends and neighbours and we will remain friends. Let’s see what transpires but I think we all have to be careful of the rhetoric we use going forward, to remain friends in that process.

Sorry duplicate posting!

Ads, this Is the fault of the so called speedy UK government all along, had they told the EU if they didn't like any certain rules that were not for the UK people then perhaps we might not be in this mess we are in, all the UK government had done was to agree with all the EU said, no questions asked, the UK people have been getting more angry over the years about the constrictions placed on us from the EU, meanwhile they chucked a few titbits our way to make it look good. The EU is now only for the elite to make money out of all members contributions.

This should not become a debate about which is the worst Parliament it should be a debate about how we can ALL make our politicians more accountable. Not in a divisive and over-defensive manner but in a more open and rational,  productive and effective manner. 

I take no pleasure in highlighting problem areas, moreover it's an exercise to remain aware of uncomfortable realities and seek solutions.

We all need to recognise failures wherever they occur and strive for workable solutions and remain willing to review alternative analyses, but equally we all have the right to challenge misinformation.

Sometimes the tendency to be over defensive can blind us all to the need to work together to achieve mutually beneficial outcomes. 

It is in no-ones interest to proliferate division and unrest amongst European citizens and essential to work together in this regard.

Mickyfinn ...in some of your past post you stated that you will do anything in your power to stop Brexit ...does that statement not make you a possible Anarchist & Extremist that will not accept a Democratic decision...the majority of the posters on EOS are just having a bit of fun on this thread ...so for your mental health sake don't take life so serious ..and get on with what you have left of it .