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"The EU is the latest stage in a process of European integration begun after World War II, initially by six Western European countries, to promote peace, security, and economic development.....The EU is largely viewed as a cornerstone of European stability and prosperity."
"Successive U.S. Administrations....have supported the European integration project since its inception, viewing it as crucial to European peace and security and as a way to foster strong U.S. allies and trading partners."
(same source as previous post)
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Indeed Roberto but this report analyses the many ongoing concerns and the issues identified relating to pressures on infrastructure welfare housing etc are NOT just the preserve of the UK as Mickeyfinn suggested. Likewise concerns and impacts re EU’s management of migration flows is highlighted which should not be overlooked or underestimated.....”the influxes continue to have SIGNIFICANT political and societal ramifications for the EU”
All the more reason for careful consideration and attention to have been paid to realistic timeframes which the UK were seeking and which were not taken seriously enough by the EU Commission.
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The influx of EU nationals to Spain does not seem to cause the country such social problems as the UK.
Now why would that be I wonder? About 293,500 British citizens live in Spain, the largest British population in any EU country, according to the UK's Office for National Statistics. Some 174,000 Spanish nationals live in the UK. About 1.3 million Brits live in the EU as a whole. According to UN statistics as of 2018, there were over 5,947,106 foreign-born people living in Spain, 12.8% of the total population. Certainly more than the estimated 3 million EU citizens living in the UK in 2016. Much less by now I'm sure.
I don't see any evidence this causes social disharmony in the country the way it has done in Britain. Could this be that the Spanish authorities have anticipated the problem and provided more infrastructure to deal with it? Or is it that Spanish people are simply more tolerant than Brits? Accept migration is part of globalism and believe multi-culturalism is of real benefit to their nation. A positive not a negative.
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The reason businesses use a noreply email address is to avoid receiving any responses from customers. The goal is, presumably, to save time and mitigate the number of people who respond by forcing recipients to look their contact information or fill out a form if you have a question.
Noreply emails are not subject to BREXIT or immigration as far as I am aware.
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MickeyFinn, I think part of the reason immigration doesn't cause as many problems in Spain as in the UK, is that the population density of Spain is about one third of that of the UK. The UK is already very overcrowded, and there isn't enough room for the people already there, let alone more. I love driving in Spain because the roads are so empty and traffic-free. By contrast, when I drove from Bristol to Yorkshire last year, it was bumper-to-bumper practically all the way, and I rarely managed to reach 70. It's all very well saying build more houses, schools, hospitals and roads, but that takes up land we need to grow food on. We can't just keep growing - at some point (and personally, I think we're already past it) we need to stop. The UK population growth rate is 0.59% p.a., whereas in Spain, it's -0.19% p.a. That may also explain why the Spanish don't see immigration as too much of a problem.
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Thanks tonyl yes I agree that's a very valid point. Population density is usually confined to cities and in Spain there are vast areas of open unpopulated space. It's one of the reasons I'm attracted to living in Spain. If food growing land is used for population spread the UK dependency on Europe for food will only increase. Another reason Brexit makes little sense. Modern states are dependent on each other for so many things. It's just a factor of human progress.
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Sorry miss post. I thought subject was noreply emails.
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Human progress that many don’t want if it means ruining what we love about our country. Too high a price to pay for some.
Hopefully a better balance will come from all of this.
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No reply emails are a part of human progress. Some people don’t want no reply emails or any progress, they prefer the days of the tin bath and outside toilets. We all need to learn to move on.
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So the can is kicked down the road once again. Perhaps the future is a permanent state of extension for the UK on an annual basis. That satisfies both remainers and leavers alike. Leavers can believe the country might exit and remainers likewise can persuade themselves the UK is staying. Like an ever revolving door or constantly receiving no reply e mails.
Perfect solution.
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It just seems to go on and on until you are absolutely sick of hearing about it over and over again. It’s all the same garbage being repeated. We are being tortured by media news. It is now only of interest to those who are totally bored with nothing else worthwhile in their lives. This thread has nothing to do with BREXIT.
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You're right Kavanagh, this thread was only indirectly connected with Brexit.
It was started as I was incensed by the patronising style of the email I received - spouting the reasons for their idiotic stance which were purely repetition of that from Mrs May. Clearly she reckons that if she can wear folk down if she carries on long enough. Making the email "no reply" was their ploy to give their view without having to hear the alternatives, hardly democratic.
Some people admire her tenacity. I wonder how on earth she got to be PM. She is donkey-like in her stubborn, blinkered, slow, stumbling manner, with an equal amount of charisma.
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