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12 Apr 2013 5:00 PM by baz1946 Star rating. 2327 posts Send private message

Interesting site, basically not for sale..don't need one...up for sale got to get one straight away, agent has to show it on the sale papers.

Rental have different rules.

And everything depends on size...location...year of construction...for sale...rental.

If you put it up for sale without one could get a fine up to 6000€





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12 Apr 2013 5:08 PM by deecoco Star rating. 17 posts Send private message

www.mediterraneanenergycertificates.com

 

These people are a waste of time.. depends where you live and what sq mtr build you have as to whether you need one .. my place is 25 yrs old plus and they wont say if I need one or not. Obviously depends on how far they have to travel as to whether you qualify





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12 Apr 2013 7:16 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Dear Deecoco.

I found the people at www.mediterraneanenergycertificates.com very helpfull , they responded to my email , i even called them and although they do not operate in my area , they took the time to explain my questions .

 

They also told me that a lady from my area had also called with a similar query..( my rental property was built in 2007 ).

 

Maybe you did not send the correct information

 

 

 

 





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12 Apr 2013 7:32 PM by deecoco Star rating. 17 posts Send private message

I sent the information they asked for and the reply I received was what I said.

They do not operate in my area (which was not what I was asking) That the fact that my property was built somewhere in the late 80´s and was not under a 50 mtr sq build did not exclude me.

 

So lucky old you ... I personally wouldn´t take his word for it I have not been informed by any other source that the age of your property would exclude you... I would suggest you check it out.. if you are selling or renting you could get a hefty fine if the information he has given you is incorrect.





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12 Apr 2013 8:17 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Dear Deecoco.

 

Its funny that you mention about the age of the property. Mediterranean energy certificates told me that houses built after a certain date of 2007 ( you can find out the exact date for yourself!!! ) did not need it ( which was my case ),

 

They also told me i could check this at the official goverment website.....which i did...and they were right

 

I appreciate your concerns regarding possible fines to me or anyone in my position . Regarding your sources, you can also visit the goverments website and check out the new law and have all the facts in English ( this goes for everybody )

You say in you 1st post and i quote : These people are a waste of time.. depends where you live and what sq mtr build you have as to whether you need one .. my place is 25 yrs old plus and they wont say if I need one or not. Obviously depends on how far they have to travel as to whether you qualify

And on your second post you say :

I sent the information they asked for and the reply I received was what I said.

They do not operate in my area (which was not what I was asking) That the fact that my property was built somewhere in the late 80´s and was not under a 50 mtr sq build did not exclude me.

Let me see if i have got it right..... Not only did they actually respond to your enquiry and take the time to inform you completely free of charge , knowing that they would not get any business or make any money whatsoever as they do not cover your area .

On top of all this , all that you do is talk badly about them  . I dont know , but it seems to me they  are a very professional company and i personally will recommend them to anyone that asks me

The site is www.mediterraneanenergycertificates.com

 

 





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12 Apr 2013 8:25 PM by deecoco Star rating. 17 posts Send private message

Fine if you are happy with it then its your call.

All I know is I got a very perfunctory reply to my enquiry ... maybe he was having a bad day





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12 Apr 2013 8:27 PM by deecoco Star rating. 17 posts Send private message

Mediterranean Energy Certificates (freesurvey@mediterraneanenergycertificates.com)
4/9/2013

 

To: Dee Kingston
 
Picture of Mediterranean Energy Certificates
 
 
 
From: Mediterranean Energy Certificates (freesurvey@mediterraneanenergycertificates.com)You moved this message to its current location.
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:43:37 PM
To: Dee Kingston (deecoco2004@hotmail.com)
 
 
Thanks Dee for the email.
 
I do not cover your area . unfortunately , you do require a EPC as your home is 70m2 . If it was 50m2 , you would not need one.
 
Hope this is helpfull
 
egards
 
Daniel Livermore

 

Make of it what you will





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12 Apr 2013 9:24 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Dear Decoco.

 

In your last post is says : ( transcript from the email sent to you )

Thanks Dee for the email.
 
I do not cover your area . unfortunately , you do require a EPC as your home is 70m2 . If it was 50m2 , you would not need one.
 
Hope this is helpfull
 
egards
 
Daniel Livermore
 
Again i quote your 2 post : They do not operate in my area (which was not what I was asking) That the fact that my property was built somewhere in the late 80´s and was not under a 50 mtr sq build did not exclude me.


From what i can tell they make no mention , of the age of  your property ( the email is obviously the full email ) . so why have you mentioned it before??? when it is not in the email????.

You are just making it worse

And from now on , i will not believe a word you say

 

 





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12 Apr 2013 9:47 PM by deecoco Star rating. 17 posts Send private message

 

Believe who or what you like I haven´t the remotest interest-





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12 Apr 2013 10:03 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

12 Apr 2013 10:53 PM by mobailey Star rating in San Cayetano. 461 posts Send private message

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 We have our house for sale and this is what we have been told about EPC's

ENERGY PERFORMANCE CERTIFICATES

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On Friday 5th April 2013 the Spanish government  passed a law making Energy Efficiency Certificates compulsory from

1st June 2013 if you are offering your property for sale or rent.

 

 

Energy Performance Certificates in Spain

What is an Energy Performance Certificate?

Energy Performance Certificates or as they are properly called, Certificado de Eficiencia Energética (CEE), are documents which will show how energy efficient your home is displayed as a rating from A to G. Much like the stickers you see on things such as fridge freezers, washing machines or air conditioning units, it gives the property a standard energy and carbon emission efficiency grade from ‘A’ to ‘G’, where ‘A’ is the most efficient and ‘G’ is the least efficient.

Who Needs an Energy Performance Certificate in Spain?

After 1st June 2013 every domestic property for sale or rent needs to have an Energy Performance Certificate including ones that are currently rented out or for sale

Will I be able to rent or sell my house without an EPC in Spain?

No after 1st June 2013 you will be required by Royal Decree to present your Energy Performance Certificate when your property is for sale or rent. When you sell your house the Notary will need the original certificate and when you rent your house the tenant will have to be given a copy of your certificate.

When will this come into effect?

The Royal Decree which will formalize this is due to come into effect on the 1st June 2013. You will be expected to comply as soon as possible after this date. For properties currently for sale or rent this means you will have 7 days from 1st June 2103 to apply for your certificate. If you have applied and can show you have applied within the 7 days you will have an extended period of 21 days giving a total of 28 days after which you need the certificate. For properties new to the market whether for sale or rent you will have to have the certificate in place before your property can be advertised

Who can issue the Energy certificate in Spain?

Only certified and registered assessors are able to issue the certificate.

How can I get an Energy Performance Certificate for my property?

We are fully registered assessors and are able to assess and certify your property in Spain for you.

How much does an EPC cost in Spain?

The cost depends on the size of your property so you would need to contact us for further information. We believe our prices are currently the best on the market.

Who has to pay for the energy certificate?

Ultimately the owner of the property will have to pay for the certificate

What if I get a low rating on my EPC?

Along with your certificate you will get a report giving advice about how to improve your properties energy rating. . The report will recommend cost effective measures which could be undertaken to improve the energy rating of the property. It will also contain information about the rating that could be achieved if all the recommendations were implemented.

Why have Energy Performance Certificates been introduced?

The EPC has its roots in the Kyoto Protocol which was a worldwide initiative started in 1997 to address the issue of Greenhouse gases. Since then the European Union have formulated the European Directive for the Energy Performance of Buildings, which applies to all member states with a clearly defined timetable of the measures we must introduce. An Energy Performance Certificate (EPC) is a certificate which demonstrates the energy rating of a building. It forms part of the 'Energy Performance of Buildings Directive' (EPBD)

 How is the rating on my EPC in Spain worked out?

An energy assessor will visit your property and take measurements and recordings from things such as your air conditioning, your hot water system, type of windows fitted, type of insulation, type of construction etc.  The readings taken will then be entered on line into one of the Governments approved programmes which will generate the rating for your property giving it’s energy efficiency and environmental impact. The programmes used are the same for all properties so a potential buyer or tenant will be able see the projected energy costs for each property viewed.

Can I get an EPC in Spain before 1st June 2013?

Yes although the law is not due to come in until 1st June you can book for your certificate before this date

 

Do I need an EPC if I only rent my property out for holiday lets?

Yes you do still need one even if you only rent your property out for holiday lets.

What if I rent my property out through an agent?

Either you or your agent will need to get a certificate for your property. An agent will not be legally allowed to offer your property for rent or sale without a certificate.

Can I advertise my property without an Energy certificate?

No as from 1st June 2013 you will need a certificate to be able to advertise your property for sale or rent.

How Long Does The Energy Performance Certificate Last For in Spain?

The certificate lasts for 10 years.

What if I make changes to my property in Spain?

You can have your property re assessed at any time during the period your certificate is

Can I get in Trouble If I do Not Get an EPC?

The government have said they will fine all existing homeowners that have a property for sale or rent that do not have an "EPC" within the allotted period

 



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14 Apr 2013 12:32 AM by chrisinspain Star rating in Los Alcazares. 195 posts Send private message

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This is actually info from my site. It has been updated with more information. There still seems to be a lot of confusions about the new law. As we are getting more info we are trying to keep everything up to date on this forum and on our site.



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14 Apr 2013 8:52 AM by inspectahomespain Star rating in Orihuela Costa, Spai.... 2417 posts Send private message

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There is a lot of confusion and therefore I have been researching this for a number of my clients because as with many of these regulations there are a number of businesses looking to cash in on these regulations so for clarity

It applies to all properties, regardless of year of construction but if you are buying from a developer they should now supply this and are not necessary doing this

Because the majority of my owners do not rent their properties for more than 4 months per year and that for the period that they rent the calculated energy consumption is less that 25% of the annual total consumption, they do not have to have a certificate, from the official website

The rule states that as of June 1, 2013 will be required to make available to buyers or tenants of buildings or parts thereof, for rentals lasting longer than four months, an energy performance certificate. 

If you own a property for own use you do not need a certificate but if and when you are planning to sell the property you then need a certificate

For my clients that have existing long term renters, greater than 4 months in a 12 month period, I have arranged certificates

This regulation DOES NOT apply to every property that is for rent and you can view the regulations on

http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOM/LANG_CASTELLANO/GABINETE_COMUNICACION/OFICINA_DE_PRENSA/NOTICIAS1/2013/ABRIL/130405-01.htm

I really wish that organisations that are trying to sell these would stop publishing misleading information in order to sell these Cerificates

 

 



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14 Apr 2013 11:30 AM by inspectahomespain Star rating in Orihuela Costa, Spai.... 2417 posts Send private message

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Also according to the regulations it does not apply to properties where there is already a long term rental contract in place, only to new tenants

All very confusing I think bit the regulations are published and easy to translate to get the most updated information



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14 Apr 2013 6:23 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Nothing stated by inspectahome hasent already been seen in other sites.

Although i must point out that inspectahome states that all houses for sale need it regardless of the year of construction. This is untrue as houses built from a certain date in 2007 do not need it beacuse its included in the arquitects project ( by law ).

 

There is a goverment register for these properties built in late 2007...for everybody to see!!!

I find it funny that inspectahome is angry that companies give misleading information...when he is doing it himself. Imagine you pay 100s euros for a house built in 2008..when you didint have to.

I hope inspectahome , that if this the case with one of your clients , that you will refund their money.

I would suggest in the future before you state laws , you make sure from the goverment site..that they are true.

 

Maybe some Spanish lessons would help

 

 

 

 





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14 Apr 2013 6:58 PM by sandrab Star rating in Bournemouth & La Ter.... 528 posts Send private message

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What has bothered me immensely is the opportunist pricing for this mandatory service (in some cases). I manage property in the UK and the cost for such a certificate is about £75 inclusive of VAT.  In Spain the cheapest quote so far is Euro 200 plus tax - dare I ask if the Spanish certificate is more "comprehensive" than the Uk equivalent?  Another rip off opportunity I believe!

 

 



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14 Apr 2013 7:02 PM by inspectahomespain Star rating in Orihuela Costa, Spai.... 2417 posts Send private message

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John it may as quite rightly say be included in the architects  project ( by law ).but I can provide you with details of 2 large developments, which were started before 2007, but completed after the date in 2007, in fact 2009, where the certificates have not been provided, because they were started and approved before any law was implemented

Where I am having to obtain these, EXACTLY these conditions apply, in fact they completed on new properties in 2010 so please be careful with you particular interpretation of the regulations

I wold also why you are being so rude when the actual advice I am giving could save people thousands of Euro, I am not getting angry, purely trying to provide professional advice, maybe think before you type, personal insults and being a troll are pointless, especially when you are not totally correct, your comments

I would suggest in the future before you state laws , you make sure from the government site. That they are true

Maybe some Spanish lessons would help

 

 



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14 Apr 2013 7:26 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Inspectahomes

 

No details necessary.

 

The simple fact to the law ( not my interpretations ) . is that properties that have had the building license granted from a certain date of 2007.must by law have the epc. regardless of when they are completed.

 

This comes under the energy certification law for new constructions ( not the recent existing property law approved a few days ago ) and has been running for the past 6 years. As i mentioned before the is a register for these new builds and has been so for years.

 

In addition . The arquitects final certificates needed to obtain the certificate of habitation cannot be obtain withouth the new build eoc...its the law and a notary WILL NOT FORMALISE THE DEEDS ON THE PROPERTY

 

I repeat my previous post....if you have charged for epc for a house built after 2007 you have illadvised them and should return them their money.

 

What qualifications do you have to offer professional advice on a brand new law??? Only people qualified are arquitects , surveyors and engineers...are you any of these...do your clients realise that only they can do the EPCS?......CLIENTS BEWARE!!!!





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14 Apr 2013 7:47 PM by inspectahomespain Star rating in Orihuela Costa, Spai.... 2417 posts Send private message

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John you are absolutely right, building licence being the word, but many developments had the building licence granted well before 2007 but the actual completion date, was well after 2007, building times overran this includes for example many of The Polaris World resorts, based on the dates of the ACTUAL building licences

Next I do not provide EPC, I am not involved in this market, I have no relationships with anybody that is proving this service and in fact I use a firm of architects in Cartagena for my RENTAL clients, on new contracts and their price to me is less than 50% of the rates being offered by some expat providers

The point that I am making, never mind the confusion on the year that the building licence is issued, is sites telling people that they need one for ALL RENTAL OR SALES properties and they want to charge €275

Now I have for many years been posting here, I have many advice articles published here, have on the snagging side checked more than 3000 properties in Spain and actually yes I am a qualified engineer, in Spain

At the last count I have had more than 200 e-mails directly from old clients asking for my PROFESSIONAL advice on this subject worrying about being fined, two thirds don't even rent out their properties

As I said before you really don't have to behave like a troll too get a point across  and yes you are correct that it should only be qualified ARCHITECTS that deliver the service and one thing I know after 9 years in business in Spain that it is never straightforward

John are you perhaps involved in delivering this service



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14 Apr 2013 8:01 PM by JohnCarter Star rating. 36 posts Send private message

Inspectahome . I am not involved in this service..i have been posting for quite a while and have never mentioned anything about me providing this service.

I speak perfect spanish and therefore are in a better position than most to inform about things that interest me . I am actuially a solicitor and know the law very well.

You say you are a qualified engineer in spain.but you use arquitects for your rental contracts ..............Then why dont you do the epcs???...and what do you need a arquitect for a rental contract????....you would nedd a gestor ot lawyer..but a arquitect???

 

If you are a qualified engineer in spain , you will have a college number in spain....maybe something you would like to share with the rest of us???

 

 


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