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24 Jul 2008 8:25 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

My point is to state facts offer comparables and state my opinion.

Hope that nobody finds those things offensive.




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24 Jul 2008 8:26 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

You said that!  You only state conjecture. What is your point?


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24 Jul 2008 8:29 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

Funding institutions work on conjecture. What is so bad about that. Conjecture is based on collated information and statistics, after which it is a theorem.
Now you are being as silly as the comment stating 700% profit.
I don't think that the attitude helps fellow members take you too seriously if you just repeat "what is your point". You have chosen to leave several direct questions unanswered. Cherry picking.


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24 Jul 2008 8:32 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Stop avoiding the question and why kep posting your previous posts? You have asked no questions. Doh!

 What is your point? I am sure we would all like to know!




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24 Jul 2008 8:46 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

Doh! to give conjecture, which is based on evidence, statistics, comparables, to hopefully make some ralise the truth about what is likely to happen.
Who are all?
Where is the conjecture for the 700% profit that funders could not justify supporting and SJ obviously were not happy with such a small margine.
Or is it they mis-managed it and you hope they would not do again.
Next specific question?

 




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24 Jul 2008 8:46 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,
I am tired of reading the doom and gloom ignore any info that does not fit into the end is niegh brigade. The info in the report is not lies or propaganda it is what it is and what was said and that is it end of story. Keep on trying to say oh but this and but  and things like .
It is not licensed .....answered.  There is no water....answered......building costs..........fixed for 3 years.......It will take forever.....new contracts, with completion dates and bank gaurantees.........But when will we know..........around October.

So what is the point of all of the scare and fear tactics? We have waited for you on this thread to come up with a reason why people should not support SADM being built but you have not come up with one rational reason not to. So you are up set with SJ/HdT no reason to through your money away. Why should purchasers stand around and be fleeced again by the same people who should of ensured that their rights were protected in the first place. 

There can only be 1 of 2 outcomes in this process and quite simply they are SADM gets built, we get our properties or it does not and we are screwed. Now I think it is obvious that together we stand as a group and have combined purchasing power to effect a positive outcome.

Enough of your the end is nigh, no it is not.  Brian is right all for one and one for all. Sounds corny but that is what we should be doing, unlike the rather selfish attitude that some express. 

I want my House, I want you to have your house, I want us to get out of this mess together.

All the best
Tony R17 18



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24 Jul 2008 8:48 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

FIN  conjecture is an idea not a fact nor a truth. Answer the question. What is the point!


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24 Jul 2008 8:54 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

As there is one on here that believes one knowledge base, don't take my work for it, I will quote:
"In mathematics, a conjecture is a mathematical statement which appears likely to be true, but has not been formally proven to be true under the rules of mathematical logic. Once a conjecture is formally proven true it is elevated to the status of theorem and may be used afterwards without risk in the construction of other formal mathematical proofs. Until that time, mathematicians may use the conjecture on a provisional basis, but any resulting work is itself provisional until the underlying conjecture is cleared up."
If that is your definition of an idea, I assume you did not read maths?

Nexy question please.
Please be specific.




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24 Jul 2008 8:56 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

More twaddle and i am not impresed, life is not math. Nor are your comments validated.I have concluded that you do not have a point, so why do you post ?


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24 Jul 2008 9:08 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

More cherry picking here. You choose not to accept the definition of a word, obviously as it does not suit your needs, so you describe the definition as "twaddle".
You may not be impressed, but there again, you are not impressed with reality of what is going on with the development and what is likely (statistically) to happen.
Life is more maths than most other things.
Statistics - NHS well aware of those.
Applied Maths - needed for calculations of structures such as the detailing for structural stability of properties such as those which were proposed at SADM. Not much good if they underspecified on steelwork.
Geometrical formulae for navigation.
Pure maths for accountancy, national and international budgets.
So sorry, I can't agree with that statement.
How many ml in a normal teaspoon (oops, sorry, maths again)
Some have mentioned on here the percentage of Spanish purchasers, so rely on maths to prove a point when it suits them.
Next question please.
Please be specific.

PS regarding the validity of my comments. I had hoped you would realise that before commenting, I would have evidence and comparables, just in case I was shot down.


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24 Jul 2008 9:12 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

More rubbish that is totally pointless. Your can not even answer what is your point.


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24 Jul 2008 9:15 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message


Hi FIN
                         do you agree that their is only 2 possible out comes

1                            The company gets the money and the build goes ahead

2                            They don't get the money and they go into liquidation

I know which one I would rather happen and that is the first option as that would be finacially better option for myself  as opposed to other option which is where I loose the lot
brianmags




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24 Jul 2008 9:18 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

doh! you keep asking what is my point.
I reply:
My point is to state facts offer comparables and state my opinion.
Then you ask again what is my point.
To date, you do not appear to have stated facts from investigation, just repeated what has been told. And by those lovely people at SJ.
Is there a problem on your keyboard?
There must now be a dozen questions below which you don't seem able to answer. Is there a problem?



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24 Jul 2008 9:28 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Hi FIN you seem to have me mixed up with tonymal.
             why have you choose to ignore my last question it has  a simple choise of one anwser out of 2 senarios you choose
briamags




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24 Jul 2008 9:34 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

II have already mentioned that I would dearly love the company to get the funding it requires to proceed, to prevent financila ruin for many.
I do not believe for one minute that will happen and with the situation the way it is, would be surprised if the directors would want to proceed in such a terrible market and knowing that the slightest dip, the banks could enforce whatever clauses they would have insisted on.
There has been a case of mis-management, so would you be happy with these people holding your money for a couple of more years?
They don't get the funding and go into liquidation. This is what I believe will be the outcome, but as mentioned above, it is with regret.


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24 Jul 2008 9:45 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Thanks FIN 
                  So I finish now with a closing thought If you have invested money as the rest of us why would you not want to join forces to raise the profile and possibly influence the outcome,
                        There is no shame in trying to do this It is far better to try and fail than not to have tried at all this is all we are doing trying. Now you don't have to agree with me but at least I am trying to do something positive as is my right after all it is my money as well as everybody else and as long as there is a chance I will take that chance until the judge he say either yes or no
brianmags 
R4 556 
I want my house because if I don't get it my family will have nothing back from this situation.


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24 Jul 2008 9:52 PM by malc Star rating. 143 forum posts Send private message

There is possibly another solution.  The Judge finds our deposits in the special account where they are meant to be and just gives back our money. I suspect that would be too boring for you lot to talk about.  Thought i try to get in between the crossfire hehehe  Now carry on shooting.




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24 Jul 2008 9:56 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Thanks Malc 
                    good shot
brianmags


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24 Jul 2008 9:58 PM by FriendinNeed Star rating. 789 forum posts Send private message

Irrespective where I have money invested, I am not of a (don't take it the wrong way) gang mentality and repeating myself, fight my own corner and have adequate legal representation (including in Spain).
For thos who feel there is security iin numbers.
Personally, in this instance, I see no benefit at all in joining forces, in fact, believe it could go against, especially those who want their deposits back.
If you are happy, keep trying, never give up, but don't expect everyone to have the same opinion.
Just can't understand what shame has to do with anything.
I have made my thoughts clear below, if the directors would wish to carry on, which again could influence funders.

Imagine sitting opposite a bank manager  after asking for a loan and telling him, no I don't think the market is good, no I don't think we can sell many. Would you blame him for not loaning?




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24 Jul 2008 10:12 PM by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1982 forum posts Send private message

Hi all

I just got back home and read a few posts to catch up.

First thing looking back at the comments are those of FIN which are very striking.  In answer to some comments i made FIN made the implications that he wasnt saying he was an expert, and he didnt say things for sure, he was just passing opinions.

The striking things i see are the amount of statistics and fuel costs and other testimony that FIN puts forward to make the opinions seem really 'expert' or 'advised' in some way.  I just cant follow the logic of why these global costings are laid down in this instance of administration.  This is not a food producing model or a car manufacturing plant or a shipyard, its the good old building game.  

By the way, we (family) had a wire making factory in the 1980's.  The huge hike in cost of steel in UK decimated the industry which has since slimmed down to be a leader in production and supply.  The French government however subsidised their industry, which kept steel to the same base cost and europe bought from the French.......things like that happen in recessions. 

I would really like to get back to reality, which fin seems to have steered away from, in my opinion of course.

I dont have to prove that things like kilns and portland mining equipment is bought and paid for, you have to prove to me that they are not.  These are old industries with old methods and have a lot of what we used to call ;wool on their back' to cope with harsh and good times.  The local labour force work primarily with their hands and power tools....its easy to adjust their cloth when the need arises.

The spanish house is built with raft foundations of concrete and steel reinforcement, with a concrete ring beam and tall beam, filled with clay hollow block, rendered and plastered.  Topped with clay pan tiles and the elements are a choice of window frame types steel, pvc, timber...depending on where you go.  There are softwood rafters and trusses and plant and machinery to mechanically dig.  All these things are local source, they dont come from around the globe.

The local merchants have supplies of electrical and sanitary wear, drainage and internal elements and carcasses.  A lorry load can kit out 30 houses and most of the manufacturers you will find are are local (regional but local).  Even mortar is stored in silos on site these days...go and look.

The stumbling blocks are the financiers, the banks.....and of course the builders.

My point is, and remains.....that the administration dosnt just have the blinkered approach that is being discussed, they are able to be inventive, sell some assets off, trade them, close some down, move things around.......become half way houses to negotiate...........

As is usually the cases, the problems will not be solved by accountants and speculators....it will be solved by people...why?

Because building houses is a people industry, and with people interested in buying, there is a market to supply.

As i see it....scuse me for being a bit different....the small 'quick win' sites will bring revenue, the large sites which require lots of 'feeding' will be very difficult to progress at this time.

If san jose are the criminals we hear about, then the sites will be sold, auctioned, closed for sale...etc.  and the ones with prospects will survive.  Thats the way of the world im afraid

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Best wishes, Brian

 



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