Just Testing

That's some shed!!  It's understandable that people may want some facility for storage but I agree with you RG that if we do not take care it could end up looking like a shanty town. That eyesore really isn't in keeping with the rest of the development, I see they have taken great care to make sure they do not spoil their own view.  We do seem to have some thoughtless and selfish neighbours and these are definately issues that need to be raised, Michelle

This message was last edited by michelle17 on 1/13/2008.

What is more amazing is that this owner not only has this shed but they also have storage cabinets in the terrace and if I understand correctly they also have a store room on the semi sotano level. How much storage do you need? If these guys wanted that much storage space they should have bought a villa! I think the only way to get results on this matter is to A) put pressure on the administrators and B) to raise the issue at the AGM.

Afaik it's a portable sauna, although I have never seen it ported :)

Afaik it's a portable sauna, although I have never seen it ported :)

Maybe they should be allowed to keep it, if they can provide one person that can move by manual labor.

Whatever it is shed / sauna / wooden hut portable or not it should not & must not be allowed!

I hope that it was clear that I tryed to be funny, of course it needs to be removed.

For the meeting on 26th January I need to do a proxy form. I need to know if the same form can be used from the last meeting just changing the date? Also is it called an Extraordinary meeting or has it a different title? I would appreciate a reply as soon as possible so that I can take out a copy to Spain on Tuesday

Thanks

This is the official form. Just replace all the text in italics with your data and print it out. Or send it to me, David Munster or your chosen proxy voter by mail as that is not a problem according to the administrator. In case of e-mail or PM: at the spot where it says Sign here you just type your name again.

Delegacíon / Proxy

D. insert your name after the D.

Como propietario del immueble / Owner of the house insert your block and floor number and apt letter Sito en Residencial Don Juan Fase 1 / of Residential Don Juan. A través del presente escrito concede authorizatión a / grant authorization to

D. insert the name of the proxy voter here after the D. [or leave open and let the person do this if you are not sure about the full name]

Para la assistencia y votación en la Junta de esta communidad a celebrar del dia 26 enero de 2008 / for the attendance and voting in the 2008, January 26^th meeting.

 

                                                                                                                                                          Firma/Sign

                                                                                                                                                         Sign here

This message was last edited by max! on 1/13/2008.

Thankyou

We will be travelling out for the weekend of the AGM. I am happy to carry with me any proxy votes sent to me whether for me or Max or someone else already in Spain. I think it is important to use your vote. If you don't you can't complain about the outcome afterwards and although I do not know how the developer can take over the community now I would rather have as many votes as possible available if they are needed.

I am not sure that a vote by PM is valid - I understood that your e-mail signature authenticated an e-mail vote in the place of your normal signature. Anyway you can post proxies to me. If you need my postal address PM me. or you can e-mail them to david.munster@btinternet.com

It seems that a proxy vote by PM will be valid - so mail\e-mail or PM are all OK - just make sure you have your name, apartment number, block and the proper name of the person who you appointing as your proxy clearly stated.

I've read all the stuff about dog poo and the sauna and I agree neither should be allowed but I heard today that water from the newly filled pool is leaking into the car park and some of the stores in block 8. There is also a large hole developed under one of the ground floor terraces - the soil has disappeared. Although the buildings may appear to be OK there are other structural defects and our priority as a community must be to support the administrator in his efforts to do whatever is necessary to get the developer to put these right.

In addition to the dog poo and sauna, if the community decides to put restrictions on where aircon units can be cited and decides to instal communal satelite dishes, there will a number of neighbours who are breaking community rules. The best way to deal with "offenders" within the community is to create a united community that all right thinking people will want to be part of. Hopefully at least some people who will are doing things we wish they didn't will accept the majority view and change what they are doing rather than offend their neighbours and they should be given time to do so. If some don't the community will have to decide how to deal with it. Personally I think going to court to get a judge to decide whether a wooden sauna that I expect could be moved using a yak(pallet truck) was portable or not is not guaranteed to be successful and should be a last resort so everything the community can do to pursuade the owner to remove it should be done first.

I agree Davmunster.  I think it's very important to keep a balanced perspective in all community matters and to remember that other nationalities may have a different view of what we might consider to be out of bounds.  In relation to the portable sauna I think it's only right to clarify what precisely it is that is objectionable - is it the deliberate siting of the structure by the owner to create a barrier and privacy, or is it the fact that it might look out of place & ugly, or is it the fact that it may be blocking or spoiling a neighbour's view?  For instance if a line of trees or hedge was planted that would block the view in a similar fashion would this be seen also as  unacceptable? If the owner in this case offered to move it to the other end of their property could this be okay?  While I sympathise fully with RG in this matter, these are questions that need to be teased out in the hope that solutions can be found and "moral pressure" rather than threats of law can prevail.  Please understand I am only acting as "Devil's advocate" in voicing these questions and I do feel that the best solution would be removal.
There seems to be no doubt that the administrator on our behalf will have his hands full for some time yet getting the developer to fix the serious structural matters etc that have come to light as well as the access road and swimming pools. I am hoping that with phase 2 coming onstream and phase 3 still awaiting finishing this will guarantee the developer's continued presence and interest in fixing the snags reported since after all he will have to satisfy the town hall as well in order to get his licences.

I totally agree that we have to look at the bigger issues at hand. As long as we have a building which get flooded due to faulty plumbing in a swimming pool or garages which are full of water after a night of rain we need this to be fixed as soon as possible. At the other hand we need to address the communal issues regarding the rules and neighbourly behaviour.

We want the dirt road fixed, the street lights properly working, garages without flooding, elevators working and properly maintained communal gardens. At the other hand it’s important to establish rules and find solutions for aircon, satellite dishes, possibly internet dishes and dog behaviour (or dog owner behaviour),

It will be an interesting and long lasting meeting I guess.

                   I have only recently got back from holiday, (not Spain),  and was amazed that someone could build such a thing as a shed/sauna on a site such as Don Juan,  This is definitely out of order,  what a mess?.   There was a mention of what may be allowed,  perhaps move the shed slightly or maybe hide it  (my thoughts).   I am afraid that there cannot be a compromise on nearly all structures of this nature being erected,  which can be observed by other residents, this should apply to all outside builds that changes the image of Don Juan. 

                     If you allow a slight change in say the position of the shed ect.  where do you draw the line?.  is it alright for someone to have a 6ft shed but not a 7ft shed. can I build one on my terrace?.   I agree that other cultures may have different views, but the majority views must have priority.  Unless you live in England where the human rights of the minority prevail.

                     Every person on Don Juan regardless of their nationality usually want the same things in life. I do believe that if the minority are allowed to do what they want to, regardless of other views, then you can forget your investment in Don Juan and watch it become another slum.  Listening to the  views of others on these forums I think commonsense will prevail.                                                 

                                                                                                                                                         All the best Bevron.  

                         

 

If he wants a sauna he should put it in his living room along with his to high fence. I know he has measured the highest fence in Don Juan and gone with that height to stay inside the rules but surley he can see what a selfish thing he is doing.

And well said Bevron

I agree that other cultures may have different views, but the majority views must have priority.  Unless you live in England where the human rights of the minority prevail.

 

 

This message was last edited by Andy irwin on 1/15/2008.

The reasons why I am objecting to the shed / sauna is that mainly it is blocking our views! and also it is not in keeping with the looks & character of the development imagine a shed or other object like that popping up on all the terraces how would the place look? Yes it would solve the problem of views if the owner moved the shed to the other side of their apartment but it would still make the place look ugly! I think it has to be taken down so that an example is set to anyone else stupid / selfish enough to think about doing the same. Andy I agree with you if they wanted a sauna they should have put it in the 2nd bathroom as it's spacious enough! Don't agree with the high fence either but if its within the regulations then fine.... mind you I was originally informed that the terrace fences couldn't go higher then the original green wire fence? The pools always had water in them, a bit dirty water mind, but until now they have not leaked so that probably means that water is leaking from the pool ancillaries, incidentally I thought the footprint of the garage is directly beneath the footprint of the apartment block and not beneath or anywhere near the pools?

RG, I do not in any way want to take away from your objection to the garden sauna but the owner obviously doesn't think it's offensive and has invested quite a bit of money in it. He also seems to be "public spirited". The cable allowing DJ's daughter to steal electricity had been reconnected. The suana man didn't think this was right and took it upon himself to confiscate the cable. My point is that if we act as a community, and after consideration,  agree that there is no place for sheds or sauna's on the private gardens the owner will be in a different position than he is now having been approached by the administrator following a complaint from another resident. The objective has to be to create a community which because of a strong community spirit has so much authority that all residents will want to be for it and not against it.

You are right that the garages are directly under the apartments. I am not sure if it has been established that the water seeping in at the car park level in block 8 is from the swimming pool filtration system and it would not surprise me if it was not. It may be coincidental that the other side of the same block's foundations are being eroded but the disappearing soil could be caused by water flowing under the foundations so there could be a leaking water main or other cause. I am sure Max is on the case and has informed the administrator as this needs to be sorted before serious structural damage is caused.  

How could a person be so ruthless and stupid to place a house in his garden, it might bee a joke?