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02 Feb 2008 11:23 AM by jamesellisllb Star rating in Newcastle upon Tyne. 35 forum posts Send private message

Hi SRS,

Max wrote

"A complete integration seems to require a unanimous vote from both communities which will be impossible to achieve".

I think Max is inferring that because members of the Don Juan family will be residents a unanimous vote will make complete integration impossible however I agree that the two communities should work towards integrating under a single administration company and Phase II will just have to be patient until this is possible.

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02 Feb 2008 2:52 PM by wichmann Star rating in Copenhagen, Denmark .... 98 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Seamus and Monica (and others of interest),

We have as of yesterday recived a value estimation (I don't know the rigth term in english) of our apartment, done by the Bank that shall help us with the mortage. They gave us an estimation on 8% more than we paid for the apartment. I have been told that these kind of value setting is set appr. 10-15 % below the price you would set for sales purpose.

Not as bad as one could have expected :o)

By the way, our apartment is in Block 1, primera A, Phase II.

I hope this answer your question.




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02 Feb 2008 4:14 PM by srs Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

Hello james

Point taken as regards the Don Juan family, it is unlikely that they would go along with the proposal.  I suppose the key is in the word "unanimous" as opposed to "majority" and if agreement does indeed need to be for all parties without exception then, as Max suggests, an informal co-poperation would be the only way to go. 

I am no too familiar with how these communities work and what the voting rights are, do you know whether it is the case that if one or two members diagree with a proposal then is the whole proposal declined?

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SRS




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02 Feb 2008 4:50 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Hi SRS

It is unclear whether a simple majority or unanimous vote are required to form one community. The reason is if the mechanism of forming a master community I outlined is used only a majority is required. However the same Horizontal Property Act says unanimity is required for amendment of the "master deed or the community statutes" so if it is necessary to amend either of these unanimity would be required. My opinion (and I am no more likely to be right than anyone else!) is that the mechanism of forming a master community, which is clearly set out in the Act, seems to be a way of achieving unity without requiring unanimity.

Only time will tell but I hope this helps to explain the uncertainty!



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02 Feb 2008 8:28 PM by rosegreen Star rating. 52 forum posts Send private message

Dear Wichmann,

Thank you for that infomation.   It is good to know that we are not losing  value before we get in!  We are really looking forward to moving in and trust that will be possible by June at the latest.

Monica




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02 Feb 2008 8:54 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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Hi,
I will try to explain it better than in my previous attempts. There are three possibilities:
 
a) the two phases become two communities and have no formal relationship
 
b) the two phases become two communities but form what I earlier called a 'suprastructure' to govern the common issues like security and roads
 
c) the two phases completely join and form one community.
 
A is next to impossible as we share roads, paths, lightning, security etc.
 
B is the minimum we realistically will have to do. It needs a majority vote from both communities and on all decisisions taken by this super structure again there has to be an underlying majority vote from the two communities
 
C is the source of confusion. The way I read it is that it involves unanimity from both communities. This is based on several articles but mainly on those regarding changing the master deed and the regulations about changing the 'cuotas' (share of the total community). If we merge into one community both have to be adjusted and both by law require a unanimous vote.
 
The chances on an unanimous vote are slim. I assume Nuria and her sister don't want to join our community and likewise I think there are some owners in phase I who don't want Nuria visting their meetings as she is a major distraction. All these weird claims did cost us at least two hours last time.
 
As a majority vote is sufficient to appoint a new administrator after the first year contract ends I think the most realistic solution will be two communities with the same administrator and a super structure governing the common issues as mentioned. If we add informal contacts and meetings like I suggested we can realize maximum possible cooperation between the two phases.



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03 Feb 2008 10:13 AM by jamesellisllb Star rating in Newcastle upon Tyne. 35 forum posts Send private message

Hi Max,

Thank you once again for the clarification.

We're coming over again in March and I look forward to meeting you again then.

Kind regards,

James




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03 Feb 2008 1:50 PM by srs Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

Hello Davmunster & Max

Thanks for making things clear, it certaily is quite a complex issue!

Following your recent posts I can see that B is likely to be the best solution taking into account the probable stance of certain phase 2 residents.

By the way Max thanks again for the excellent work you did on my apartment, cleaning, lock change etc, and please ask your "accounts manager" at www.wetakecare.es to send me the email we discussed as soon as she gets time.

Regards

SRS




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04 Feb 2008 5:53 PM by marionjoyce Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

We have been reading your comments on the forum since March 07 and have found them to be very informative. We are in DJ11 and are really looking forward to getting our apartment asap and we hope that we will eventually be one community with DJ1.

We may be coming out in March so hopefully will meet up with some of you. We tried to view our apartment in July 07 but were chased away by the security guard. Thank goodness that someone appears to keep the place secure.

Look forward to reading more info especially about DJ11.




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04 Feb 2008 7:13 PM by davmunster Star rating in Carvajal\Belfast. 843 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Marionjoyce, Welcome to the forum. I am quite sure we will be "one community" in practice even if for the time being at least our community as organised as 2 seperate units

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04 Feb 2008 9:17 PM by wichmann Star rating in Copenhagen, Denmark .... 98 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Marionjoyce,

Welcome to our little community (us wanabee DJ's), we are also waiting more or less patient. What block in phase II are you in?

I hope that you will gain access to your apartment if/when you get there in March, or even better You get it handed over to you for good :o)



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06 Feb 2008 8:08 PM by wichmann Star rating in Copenhagen, Denmark .... 98 forum posts Send private message

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Hi all phase 2 owners,

Today I was contacted by my lawyer, who again was contacted by the developer. My Lawyer was told that they are ready to hand over the apartment, so my lawyer asked for the license, and the reply was that it was sent by mail, however it was not possible to recieve it by fax (so don't get to excited - it might be a "joke").

Never the less, we trust that we are getting closer to the D-day, also because our lawyer think that they don't have any problem to get access to the apartment to do the snagging report (let's see about that too).

Max: the other day I send you a PM, did you recieved it?



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06 Feb 2008 11:22 PM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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Hi Marionjoyce. Welcome on this forum.
Wichmann, I agree with you that there are lots of signs that completion is at least expected in the near future by Arrohabitatge. Snagging before completion however I can't imagine. We had one client who really made a big issue over it but still lost his case. They never allow it, but maybe phase II handling will be better.
(got the pm and reacted on it)



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07 Feb 2008 5:31 PM by wichmann Star rating in Copenhagen, Denmark .... 98 forum posts Send private message

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Hi (again)

Todays news is that my lawyer has been told that expected completion date for us will be end of February 2008 = .

Once again, I need to state that we (our lawyer) have not recieved the license from the developer.



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09 Feb 2008 3:42 AM by max! Star rating in Fuengirola. 944 forum posts Send private message

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The signs are definitely there.
Nuria is furnishing her place and today the dirt road saw some activity. A bull dozer was busy leveling the surface and there is a pile of iron nets which presumably will be used as a strengthening tool for a layer of tarmac. Looks like they reached a deal wherein they have to provide (and are allowed to establish) a provisional tarmac road pending the negotiations with the railway company.



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09 Feb 2008 12:19 PM by wichmann Star rating in Copenhagen, Denmark .... 98 forum posts Send private message

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Thanks for these news from "Eye in the night" - Can't you sleep?

I feel more confident when signs like that start showing up.

By the way, have anyone else heard from their lawyer about completion of phase II.



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10 Feb 2008 1:26 PM by rosegreen Star rating. 52 forum posts Send private message

Hi Wichmann,

Yes,  we had an e-mail from our lawyer telling us that the licence will be granted at the end of the month.  He requested bank account nos. etc, and asked if we inteded to be there ourselves. It looks as if things are finally going to happen.Regards,

Monica and Seamus




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10 Feb 2008 6:50 PM by marionjoyce Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Hi erverybody  we have not heard from our lawyers yet. Will e-mail them tomorrow to find out if they have any news for us regarding completion. By the way we are located in block 5 Phase 11.


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11 Feb 2008 4:31 PM by rosegreen Star rating. 52 forum posts Send private message

Dear MarionJoyce.

We are also in blockm 5 phase 11.    Where are you?   Have you a hatch between living room and kitchen.  We are having a problm getting one even though we understood at the beginning that it would be there.

Monica




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12 Feb 2008 9:16 AM by marionjoyce Star rating. 10 forum posts Send private message

Dear rosegreen

We expected to have a hatch between the kitchen and lounge as we were told and according to the plan we have. When we asked at the builders office about this we were told that a hatch had never been on the plans and yet the drawing we have clearly shows a space for it. We have been into our apartment and there definitely is not a hatch, have you been able to gain access to your apartment to check.

Marionjoyce




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