Who should be next UK PM?

Mickeyfinn,

Methinks, you’re exposing selective reasons not to believe.

If you chose not to recognise complex detail and are not willing to review this, then so be it Mickeyfinn. It’s your choice.

But it’s important that when debating you have to be willing to look at  complex detail otherwise it all becomes a pointless exercise of just using soundbites and unsubstantiated rhetoric.

Make of that what you will but it’s sad when you fail to be willing to comprehend complex detail, especially when politicians often work on the principle that they hope that few bother to check what they are saying is factual.

Have a good week and let’s see what transpires!

UK annual growth to March 19 - 1.4%, Spain 2.4 Euroland 1.5%.

haha Mickeyfinn, once again you choose 1 years figures, take a look st the numbers SINCE the recession hit.

Take a look also at unemployment numbers in Spain especially, then the EU generally.

MPS Mickey Finn

Tariffs on food from outside the EU are 21% because the EU chooses to impose that figure.

Food imports from Australia, South America, South Africa etc. will not have to be subject to tariffs should the U.K. decide NOT to impose them and don’t you think they will be falling over themselves to export to the U.K.

You also did not answer what Ireland will do to maintain its agricultural exports to the EU which currently all go via U.K. IF the EU insists on full tariffs.

Its in everyone’s interests to maintain trade free tariffs to continue a sensible tradin relationship.

Everyone will suffer IF we can’t trade sensibly.

Hugh - Its in everyone’s interests to maintain trade free tariffs to continue a sensible tradin relationship.

Well I agree with that sentence Hugh but in a world of realpolitik commercial and economic considerations are secondary. The EU is above all else a political union and these values such as supporting Ireland are primary. 

The rest of the world, of course, will want to trade with the UK but they can only do that on WTO terms which require negotiations and agreements which take a very long time. Part of those agreements involves regulatory compliance. The UK will seek to maintain EU standards of regulations compliance otherwise it cannot expect any future trade deals with the EU. 

The EU cannot and will not remove tariffs for one country. Ireland will have to impose 21% for UK trade post Brexit which of course will be damaging and without a hard border almost impossible to police. Brexit, as I have said many times, will damage everyone involved equally.

The solution, of course, is for the North of Ireland to become part of the Republic. Something I expect to happen along with an independent Scotland.   

Nearly over, what you all gona talk about then?

Nothing, the thread is now closed.

As I said Boris for PM .. good luck in the new job Boris let's get the job done and dusted.

Sadly it was almost inevitable that Boris would win - as he was muzzled for much of the time. 

The real question is - how long will he stay in office?  Longer than Xmas?  I think not.

Didn't need to be a political whizz to know who would win when the list of wannabes first appeared, Boris has a tough job ahead, has to do the things he said he will do or he's just another one of 'Them,' perhaps the reason he has kept quite on many points is when nothing from him happens he can say 'I never said that'.

If he has, or is going to take on that Priti Patel MP, not looking good already in making wise decisions.

Boris has a easy job ...all he needs to do is ask for the same deal that Spanish are getting..we will start with EU citizens are welcome to come to the UK but you are not be able to claim social security or demand a council house or be a burden on the UK Tax payers...if Spain can inforce these rules why can't another member state ...the rules are supposed to be that all members are as one ..so junker  keeps on repeating.

But Windy that’s not reality. After BREXIT EU citizens will be exactly the same as non EU citizens. When non EU citizens come to the UK they are not given a corpy house, they are given the whole street and pancrack is paid at arrival on touch down.

Anyway this thread is now closed, Boris is king and it's all over. Start a new thread if you wish.

what a load of xenophobic codswallop

Who closed it? What have I missed? Who did what where and when?

Hi Baz, Boris won, he is now prime minister.

the thread is who will be next PM. Why should it close ? I predict the next PM will be Jeremy Corbyn

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Here’s BJ’s speech from the steps of Downing Street. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/jul/24/boris-johnson-prepares-to-enter-downing-st-and-name-cabinet-theresa-may-prime-minister-live-news

If Labour ever gets in ...the UK will be Trucked..but of course this will never happen as they will need more than 1 vote from Johnmcmahon...to do so.

Windtalker,

I understand the point you are making when you compare Spain and the UK but according to the chart that shows the years when restrictions were lifted for the various EU member states, all members have not been treated  as one.

 For instance the EU only lifted restrictions for workers to work in Spain from Italy, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands Luxembourg, Denmark in 1986, whereas for the UK the restriction was lifted in 1973, some 12 years earlier.

Re restrictions for workers to work in Spain from Greece, it was 1986, whereas for the UK it was 1981, some 5 years earlier.

Likewise there was a two year delay for Spain by comparison to the UK for workers from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland ,Hungary, Czech,Slovakia, Slovenia as restrictions were lifted in 2006 whereas for the UK it was 2004.

But the irony is that Germany and Austria’s restrictions from the Eastern European states were lifted in 2011 some 7 years after the UK and 5 years after Spain. And the restrictions from the Eastern European states were lifted in France in 2008, again some 4 years after the UK and 2 years after Spain.

So this is the point...there has not been equality. And during these time differences, especially re movements from the Eastern European states when there was a massive swift movement to the UK, the volume of these final migrants sadly completely tipped the balance in all manner of ways in terms of infrastructure etc, especially when you consider the previous years differences in the lifting of restrictions from the Northern EU states.

It’s all too easy to point fingers without comprehending the details relating to lifting of restrictions, but suffice to say the EU Commission have much to account for in terms of their failure to recognise the impact on the UK and not respond when pleas for fair consideration were made in this regard.

Is it any wonder therefore when you reflect on this background of detail and the knock on impacts that have occurred in the interim years,  that UK citizens are now increasingly sceptical of the way the EU are managing the ongoing negotiations after they voted to leave, and how they have brought the sensitive Irish Peace process into the equation (re customs arrangements), which once again has brought all manner of pressures on the UK. 

In one breath they say they want to find mutually beneficial arrangements and respect the UK democratic decision, and yet in the next breath they tie the UK’s hands behind their backs. 

Sorry but this is so hypocritical in the eyes of many UK citizens, especially given the detailed background to all of this compromising scenario and the unfair and divisive manner in which the EU Commission have mismanaged and the way that UK citizens have been scapegoated.

Bottom line...To look at these aspects in isolation and not see the overall picture in greater detail is unfair and if not careful only leads to even greater division, when in reality if we are honest, all citizens should be making the EU far more accountable for their decision making that impacts their member states in this way.

All we can hope for now that there has been a change in UK leadership, is that the new EU Commission start to take note of the shift in a far stronger resolve to fight for a mutually beneficial agreement that respects the UK’s democratic decision to leave, but understand that the UK has little choice but to make preparations for a no deal outcome if  the EU were to remain intransigent and force this scenario to occur ( that ironically would suit neither side).

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Boris is a lier, short on memory, and will say anything to get his own way, his past years have shown him up to be what he is, the line up for the PM's job was much like a horse race with 9 blind horses and 1 sighted one, is it any wonder he won.

Time will tell.