Request for extraordinary meeting

Hello René,

Board members are 5. 2 living outside Spain. Other 2 living outside Don Juan (some are only on weekends). 1 lives in Don Juan.
I ask you  Who is making the final decisions as to cancel the cleaning contract?

BR

Carol12, are you putting yourself forward for the next committee? You should, then you will see that it is a lot harder work than you think and then we can all have a go at you like you are doing to the current committee members. It may pay you to remember it is far, far easier to sit on the sidelines and bellyache. However, feel free to continue to complain about everything and nothing - your whingeing is getting so tiresome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carol,

Ending the cleaning contract was decided unanimously by all 5 board members.

We all agreed on it thats how its work and how it should work.

It was already under discussion as from november.

So yes we took together the decision.

An yes we can prove that because david and I confirmed by email.

Its all about weighing positive and negative points and try to do the best for the community.

And in my opinion business is business but emotions we have to deal with.

Best regards,

René

Dear Carol,

Could you contact me?

venrooyrgaj@hotmail.com

I am eager to make an appointment with you when I visit Don Juan.

Could you tell me your real name and adress in Don Juan?

Best regards,

René van Venrooij

Dear Rene:
I have no problem in maintaining a meeting with you and tell all the problems of the community, as I see you are interested in knowing.
But I prefer to talk here, for the neighbors can also hear all matters.

This Board is characterized by its silence, therefore we need to speak publicly.

I must say that I´m no interested in joining the Board, if I insist on having an EGM is because a monthly payment fee to cover services, and currently are not covered and there are a number of incidents that require formal clarification.

Why is this urgent EGM?

Because Within 15 days  is holidays, and many residents will come and the present problems that we have it will be increased, I insist that we DO NOT HAVE SECURITY, DO NOT HAVE CLEAN, THE GARDENS ARE DRYING, PROBLEMS WITH LIGHT, PROBLEMS WITH WATER, ETC .
The EGM is needed to clarify matters for the Board ,to know that other solutions can give the neighbors,  the Board will knows the problems we face every day we live here.

Dear René, the Board believes that allowing residents to spend time forget the EGM, but it is not, not only not forgotten but are beginning to be unworthy.

Because if the EGM is being called and the Board is denied, the neighbors begin to suspect that something is hidden, and there are many suspicions.

This secrecy, occultism, hermetic of the Board to have a meeting  with all the neighbors do not understand.

René I ask him to come quickly to the community, to speak directly with neighbors, and know the discomfort.

Then please be honest and if you find that some things change, and the neighbors are right,

be honest and tell it,

be honest and do something to change,

be honest and if you have to bring against the other members do, the neighbors will thank you because you also represents the residents.

Best regards

Dear Carol,

I offered you to meet me so we can talk about the problems you have

But still you want to be writing here about your disagreement under anonymous title.

While I already explained several times what is going on.

I can only take you serious if you stand up, identify yourself with name and adress to the emailadres below and if we can schedule a meeting.

Untill this is settled I won't give any reaction anymore to your complaints

I am really sorry but everybody can make an account these days on eye on spain.

So my last offer to this email adress please : venrooyrgaj@hotmail.com

Dear Sir,

At all times I have requested a board meeting with neighbors, to hear complaints from neighbors.
I do not think my request is unreasonable and is not only a request of mine, many people that request it, especially those who live here.
This forum is a public place in which we can all express our opinions, and understand that the board does not like to hear complaints.
But instead of attacking and discrediting me, listen to the complaints, listening to the neighbors held a meeting with them.

Dear sir, this is a democracy, even if the president of the Spanish Government gives explanations when requested by the people, why in Don Juan no?

Why Don Juan must collect signatures for the president met with their neighbors?
Do you understand that the president or the board does not want to hear all the neighbors? I do not understand.

Just as I am concerned about the neighboring developments that have occurred and the problems that we can come to have. As a neighbor I would avoid them. As neighbors ask neighbors with a more formal reunion with the Board.
Dear sir, I repeat, this is a democracy.

Dear Carol12, Re :Democracy,

You asked the same question on the 7th of March and I posted the text below. 

I will be very surprised if anyone is taking this seriously anymore.  This constant repetition is becoming very tedious.  It seems that everyone is now bored and  not bothering to respond. From now on neither will I.

Strangely enough I respect your argument and your right to voice it.  I also sympathise with your stance but you are going the wrong way about it.

 You have had the chance to meet Rene.  Please do it.

March 7th

Carol12

" I agree, we are in a democracy and that is why we democratically elected the committee to act on our behalf in the making of decisions for the benefit of the community. 

Let them get on with it to the best of their ability (which as far as I can see is acceptable so far if not exceptional).

If we don't like it then we can democratically elect someone else next time round.  Personally speaking if I am not happy with the conduct of the members (which I am) and I think I can do a better job then I can put myself up for election but until then I trust the committee to act on my behalf.

I can imagine that the job is a thankless task and at least Max knows what problems are involved being a former member.  The poor chap and his family seemed to be hounded from all directions.  If this happens to the current members and they decide that they have had enough, will anyone be prepared to take their place?

We DO have a right to question their actions and by all means enter into discussion with them and ask for/offer guidance but let us understand that whoever the members are they are doing a difficult unpaid job for the benefit of us all."

Dear Carol,

Again!!!!!!

You had you chance!

I gave you all the oportunities to listen to you.

I am not going to take you serious anymore and untill you change your mind to contact me, identify yourself and work on the problems.

And I will call all others on Eye on Spain to do the same!

I am really tired of this nonsens and its a waste of time.

Hi

I agree with Rene & srs.

carol 12 you have been asked to show yourself and appear not to do so, what are you afraid of. if you are so positive in your views why do you refuse to show yourself and have a face to face meeting. If anyone on the site knows this person they should speak out. How can anyone take your comments seriously if you hide yourself. Is it because you feel you can be as nasty as you like without repercussions.

If you wish to respond to me and show yourself then why not PM me. Tell me which block etc. you are in.

I am beginning to think that this person is either a Phase1 resident who is hiding under an alias, or someone from the developers team wanting to cause lots of trouble to stir up the other residents. Phase 2 residents must be getting a really bad opinion of the Phase 1 residents and I would like to assure them  the majority of people in Phase 1 are really nice people and they are looking forward to meeting the Phase 2 residents.

Please do not respond to carol12 at all if you value our community. Unless of course she is brave enough to stand by her statements and show herself.

 Hi all,

Good evening everyone,

Who's Janmet, SRS, Jenx, etc? I do not know who they are or where they live, or whether they are members of the board or not. I do not know, I think they are neighbors  like me and they put their  opinion here. I respect them, But the respect that they do not seem to me.
It seems that this is not respect someone who is only seeking an EGM, among other things, say they do not answer me, I tried, etc., in short I no importance. I think they're people who do not like this as constructive criticism.

There are many neighbors who agree with me, I know that they are Spanish, the language issue but do not dare to write, the Spaniards are very shocking, but even if my English is not "very good looking" jejeje I think I am entitled to express my opinion.
For some time I am asking for EGM, to speak with all neighbors. Board members already know about my complaint and request a meeting of the whole board with neighbors. I am still awaiting a response from the board to my request, all that I have received is that if you gather the necessary signatures required in the law, the board will convene an EGM if the law requires it, but no.
René I hope that a convincing answer to why you can not hold an EGM, and I am still waiting, and if I keep writing because I will do it right and because it is not unlike a destructive criticism is constructive, it is a necessary and penalty that has to go the legal route to get a meeting. I feel that the residents of Phase II has this view of the neighbors of Phase I, but together it would be better if the board were not so arrogant and listen to the neighbors.

JUST A MEETING is being called gentlemen, nothing else. It seems incredible that in the twenty-first century, and in a democracy can not hear the voice of the neighbors, who have many things to say, but again all together.

 Democracy states you need 25% of votes to call an EGM, if you cannot raise this percentage of votes and the committee believe that a request for an EGM is not valid and therefore refuse it, that is perfectly democratic! This issue has been going round for so many weeks now and the fact that those seeking an EGM have not gained 25% of votes can only mean that the vast majority of owners at DJ do not want this meeting, again that is democracy!

 Hi Carol,

With language barriers I meant that Rene nor you are native English speakers so it's even more easy to misunderstand each other. I'm not an English speaker as well so it's no criticism. 

I know that there are lots of Spanish neighbours concerned about the proceedings, but most of them can't read and write English as well as you do. I for one would not be capable to write my comments in Spanish, even after living here for three years. Maybe it's an idea to have a Spanish thread on this forum. After all the majority of the owners is probably Spanish so it would probably be better for the whole community. There are enough people who can read both languages to make sure that it won't be completely separate forum discussions. 

Max

Carol12

I am an owner in DJ1 and I am not on the committee. There are owners in the community who can vouch for my identity, not that there is a need in my case.  I leave a properly,democratically  elected committee to get on with their work with a minimum of disruptions and distractions.

Why has such a head of steam buillt up over the terminating of a cleaning contract? It is simply business and life goes on but clearly not for some. 

RG has given good examples of democracy in play. If you want an EGM, go ahead and have one at your own expense - GICS has said it will cost about 500 euros.  

However, sometimes winning is more about knowing when to quit.

 "Why has such a head of steam buillt up over the terminating of a cleaning contract? It is simply business and life goes on but clearly not for some. " asks Jenx.

Dear All,

It is clear to me that we will never ever hire a company again where neigbours are involved.

If Hervas was an outside company nobody would talk about it and there was no problem like we have now.

I am still amazed that this few people support Hervas to go to court and sew the comunidad.

Do they know that if there will be a case and if accidenty hervas should win that they are also paying the bill for it as we all are going to do?

How strange can it be? What is the benefit for them?

Thats what I mean about emotions that interfear with business decisions.  

So for me it is became even more an evidence that the communidad schould not do business with neighbours.

Business should be strictly separated and as a rule in the community board at least 2 people must agree on a contract to make sure that there is no personal interest in hiring a certain company.

Hervas is history and we are looking for a new company on a short notice

Best regards,

René