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Hi Strewth,

We have come to similar conclusions;

1. Taray have used our deposits from phase (1) to complete phase (2) pool included, as that was the only facilitiy mentioned in the phase 2  marketing document!!!!!

2. If Taray have to refund 20% of the monies paid in the current  empty properties at a poor €uro rate then the monies they will have left will be more than enough to compensate for phase (1) given at that time the rate of exchange was in excess of €1:40 plus!!!! Taray will have banked the money at that rate and will have Bankinter & Bank Valencia falling over themseleves with the amount of deposits and mortgages they are providing!!!!

3. The Council definately own the land on phase (1) (our Solicitor advised) where the pool is supposed to be built,  Residents on phase (1) will probably share the pool with the entire village who will not have to pay a €uro due to the kind residents on phase (1).

We really do want to keep optimistic but as time goes on we are viewing our options like many others I'm sure as there is plenty of resale bargains about!!

kind Regards, Stewart & Pauline.

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This message was last edited by Vox Populia on 27/07/2009.

POOL UPDATE....as from 11.30am this morning

The latest from Taray's head office is that.....the contract to build the WHOLE leisure center has been sent out to tender, and they are waiting to find the right company at the right price !!!

Apparently the mayor said that they were not allowed to build just the pool, but must complete the whole thing....they assured us that the money for the whole project was there...they are not telling us any lies...and they feel sure that they will have "builders queing out of their doors" to do the work.......HOWEVER they are not able to say when the project will start or finish.

When asked why they don't keep the owners on phase 1 informed...we were told that they had nothing to tell us !!!!!! and that Antonio said at the last meeting that they "hoped" to complete the pools by September, not that they would ( make of that what you want...you all must have all mis heard him)

There was no mention of being able to use the pools on phase 2 in the mean time...except that the  residents on P2 will be paying for their's via their communities fees.

Well that's it ...unless someone knows anything different .........

Juner,  Thanks for the update - although I find it very depressing on this rainy day (again) in the UK!!  Why can't Taray build the leisure centre etc?  How long do they now propose to keep us dangling until builders are found?

It would be great to come across a Spaniard who keeps his word!  I had the pleasure of meeting Mr Taray when I paid my deposit at their offices back in 2006.  He told me San Cayetano was going to be "the jewel in the crown"!!!  If he had kept his word and given us all we were promised it would most certainly have been.  Like you I cannot understand why Phase 2 have had their pool - I suppose it is because that land did belong to Taray in the first place.

Unfortunately Taray have been con-merchants right from the start.  I would just like Mr Taray to have the guts to meet some of the owners on phase 1 face to face!  I will be over at the beginning of September and, in the meantime, will be taking legal advice.  Have already had it confirmed that the way the properties were sold to us, including the pools, driving range, tennis courts etc. all formed part of our contract with Taray.  They are, and have always been, in total breach of contract!!!  They even provided us all with a beautiful video of what it would look like once finished!   Talk about selling under false pretences!

Pinot

Pinot, exactly my thoughts. Why can't Taray build it themselves? Perhaps they haven't got shovels with long enough handles!  You won't find anybody in the Taray admin with any honesty. There are a great many pretentious strutters who have probably attained their lofty positions with their glib tongues. None of them have any idea how to treat the buyers, only potential buyers, and they lie through their teeth to them. As for after sales service, the expression has no meaning at all in Spain. The only reason there is an after sales office in San Cayetano is because they can't sell the damn property that it is based in!

Your  point about the "jewel in the crown" is a laugh, more like a paper hat.

We are obviously being taken for  ride, Taray told us that they had applied for the tendor to build the complex and that it was excepted by the town hall. We are thinking of getting in touch with an estate agents reccommended to us by our solicitor, and it would serve taray right if others did the same, the last thing they will want is a lot of for sale signs, and if we have a case regarding our promise of facilities as part of the sale, then who is for finding somone who knows what he is talking about to represent us all and get a quote .how do others feel, maybe mr taray needs to be made aware that we are not prepared to listen to anymore excuses.

Joan1 

Joan - Strange enough your idea about putting up For Sale signs on our properties was suggested by my son some months ago - seems a great idea to me!  Taray would certainly not like to see that happen.  They are very short-sighted and certainly have no business acumen at all.  I recently advised two friends NOT to buy on Hacienda San Cayetano because of all the problems we are having - so they missed out on seling two more quads!

Perhaps Taray should begin to think what sort of people they might be dealing with.  Thank heavens that in London this sort of thing would never be allowed to happen - why then in Spain?  The frustration we are all experiencing is inexcusable!!!   Time it came to a close and the only way to do that is for Taray to do the "honest thing" (if they know the meaning of the word) and finish building what they promised!

Strewth - loved your "paper hat" comment!

Pinot

Well what a good idea!! When we are next over in Sept we will be off to the Dos Mars and buy our Se Vende signs, put our UK phone number on it. Clearly if we all did this one small thing then it would have a massive impact on anyone looking to by a Taray home that visits our phase 1 site. We now feel very offended that Taray have not kept the residents upto date, they have lost all credibility now. So lets all go up for sale perhaps we may provoke Taray to talk to us about the portion of our money they have in the bank that belongs to our community!  

Dear all,

We are over on september 8th we left it late so that we could enjoy the facilities, what idiots to think we would have any, if we could arrange to meet as many people as we can to purchase the sale signs, do you think it would be more impressive, where do they sell them in Dos Mar, also are taray aware that they have lost sales due to there misleading us re facilities, maybe they need to know this. We have e.mailed taray yesterday giving our opinions and what our feelings are of the constant stories told over the past two years.

Joan1

We have always been very pro Taray, but are now getting to the end of the line with them. Why have they delivered the promised pools on Phase 2 when they still haven't completed Phase 1? I suppose they knew that people on phase 2 wouldn't complete without them as they have all closely followed the saga on Phase 1.

It makes a farce of the brochure & dvd we were all given when we purchased.

Perhaps we should get one of the local English papers involved?

Hi DavidG,

our solicitor is on the job now to try and sort out a comprimise whatever that may be?

The independent solicitors were recommended to a lot of purchasers initially on phase 1,  they say they have lost business due to several depositers  ( if there is such a word)  not completing, 40/50 % in total  on phase (1) and of course the Phase 2 clients as well.

I would like someone, anyone (not that lying lass in the showroom who mis-sold us the size of our Terrace for an end Quad) !!! to confirm to us approxamatley  how many residents on phase 1/2) have not paid Taray the final deposit .

Given that we are now only dealing through our solicitors, who to be fair,  having spoken to them are keen to get completions and compromise's as they have a lot of clients on the phase 1/2  developments that are keen to complete, with the right facilities promised in the marketing documentation for the development!!

You wouldn't buy a car with three wheels unless you wanted a Reliant Robin!! We have been Shafted by two bare faced liars in the showroom office,  you guys know who I am referring to! Can I sue for mis-representation, well that may happen as I wrote down a lot of the sales conversation sad as it may be and have kept all the promisery documentation.

Regards Stewart & Pauline, not bitter, just people who have been in business's and around and honestly thought we knew the Crack!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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If anyone knows of a Spanish solicitor agressive enough to tackle Taray on this Id love to hear from them. Mine is toothless and seems to think the builder holds all the cards and will not recommend trying to get out of the contract or taking Taray to court. My only leverage is that I have not paid my final instalment but its left me in limbo! Unable to move forwards or back, I wont be back at all until I hear these facilities are built. A collective action under a single strong solicitor (if one exists in Spain) would be ideal.

TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES.

As you all probably know Costa Luz Lawyers advertise on the EOS website. For the sake of interest I visited their website and was suprised to see what was written there. It could be reassuring, I really don't know. Check it out for yourselves by going to their home page then click 'Our Leading Articles' followed by 'Publicity - Part of the Contract'. It makes interesting reading and could be helpful should we all decide, collectively, to take this further.

I would be quite happy to contact Costa Luz on everybody's behalf to see what further information I can get before any charges are levied.

Any interested parties let me know what you think.

Colin.

Hi Atico,

Are you referring to the artricle quoting the new law for buyers who don't get what is advertised to them in the sales pitch, to encourage prospective buyers Decreto 218 is quoted,  could you please confirm. Colin and I will of course want to be part of any decision to seek legal representation, to get taray to deliver what was promised, we all have the sales details and videos. Also the fact that we all bought on phase 1 between  2006 and 2007 with a promise we would have the facilities on completion of phase 1, and yet they have delivered on phase two, is this not enough evidence of how badly we have been treated, the different tales we get told, We are being treated like idiots, as we have put up with this so long, we need to all get together now and arrange some meeting if possible. with a legal firm who can help us bring an end to this once and for all, we are owed.  the more who agree the cheaper it will be.

Regards

Joan and Colin

Joan and Colin  

Hi

The pool on phase 2 has only been built because it was included in the purchase agreement not just an implied part of the contract that Taray imposed on phase1 purchasers. Phase 1& 2 buyers were both sold with the full complex promised by summer 2008. If Taray had told the truth to us in March 2007 we would not have bought at SC - I wonder how many others would not have bought either?

 If over the past 2 years nobody completed until the LFO was granted and the lack of leisure facilties used as a reason for non-completion, Taray would have had to build them. But now Taray can do what they want as they have everyones money. Hopefully Taray will realise the remaing properties will not sell until the facilities are delivered. This will rely on Spanish solicitors and estate agents telling the truth (highly unlikely I know).

Rather than several small for sale signs going up around the complex why not club together and get a long large advertising banner saying something like 'don't trust Taray- where is the pool?' Hang it along the verandas or on the gable end of the apartments or any where that it is visible to people coming in to SC or going to the sales office. As well as making prospective purchasers aware of the situation it may get featured in the local paper. Written is Spanish too will make it more noticeable.

Not too sure how getting solictors involved will work - Taray have ignored every letter/fax our solictor has sent them.

We are all fed up with either  the lack of or iconsistancy of information out of Taray regarding the pool complex. We and solicitors appear to get none or no concrete information from Taray. If the information is to believed Taray as Developers, not builders, have put the building of the pool complex out to Tender. Timescale who knows.

Rather than get more solicitors involved, I like the idea of getting publicity to our cause through an english speaking paper. No only will Taray and future purchaser read of our complaints but also all the 'sales agents' who hope to earn good commission selling Taray properties not only in SC but other area of Murcia. Could it be that a combination of bad publicity and pressure by these 'sales agents' provide us with factual information which will result in the pool getting built earlier than later.

While bad publicity does not get us any compensation it could get the pool built this year.

When we were out in June we were told that the work would start the following Monday. I won't hold my breath waiting. Did they tell you who the builder was going to be?

Should we have a sweep on what the next reason for delay will be, could it be that the new builder has gone bust?

Vienna,

Theresa was one of the good guys but I've just heard she's gone, along with others.

Colin.

Hi everyone, We have been looking to purchase the last remaining penthouse in San Cayetano but like many of you are worried about the lack of action in respect of the proposed new  pool complex. We have been assured by the staff in the sales office that a contract as been signed by Taray and the local Council. Can anyone assure me that this is the case before we commit to the purchase. 

Further, we have instructed my solicitor to establish the facts but to date have not received an answer from them.  We will be contacting them tomorrow (04/08/09) for an update and will advise you all with the respons we receive.

regards

Peter & Debra