El Pinet

I think El Pinet has become a Ghost Town.

They are required to present the minutes within 30 days of the meeting else, it could be contested as invalid. By law!

Cut and pasted from El Pinet website today ( 21st Sep),    Bill

Dear all
As we have not yet received the minutes of the last AGM  from the administrators yet, we provide the following  update.

Pools
We have begun the maintenance programme for the pools having agreed a budget and all seems to be working well at present.  The maintenance for the gardens and pools of M8 and M13 will begin this week along with the necessary repairs to the various leaks which have affected these pools.

Electricity supply
The administrators are pressing Iberdrola (the electricity supply company) to complete the work of burying overhead power lines and replacing transformers.  This is the work required by the authorities in Elche before habitation certificates can be granted.

Water supply
Despite having to turn off the supply at night during the peak period of August the water supply situation was much improved from last year.  Repairs have been necessary to the pumps which distribute water across the site and this work is in hand.

Apologies for the paucity of information but as soon as we have anything further to report we will do so.

El Pinet Committee Posted 21st September 2010
 

The meeting that is being called an AGM  on this forum was not an AGM but an informal meeting and as such has no standing whatsoever. The fees being demanded are not  'community'  fees  according to the administrators accounts for EP ( € 1500 ISH FOR HIM )  but payments for utilities.   I understand SJ or parts of SJ are coming out of administration....time then for them to honor  their responsibilities.

 So many properties are described as NO OWNER....... they are all owned by somebody   you, me or the builder.

do not pay anything     you do not need to     it is not a legal requirement

Vic

Hi All,

Just returned after another glorious couple of weeks or so at El Pinet. Nothing much appears to be happening only rumours which from past experience it is best to ignore. We live in hope.

The fees being paid by less than 50% of us  would  at present obviously appear to be  payments for utilities, the Administrator and the Community pools.Some of the non-payers are residents who have paid nothing for 5 or 6 years. In my opinion this is a disgrace.

Legal or not I am convinced that if it hadn't have been for the minority of us who have made some contribution towards the utilities ( over 1000 Euros since October 2008) San Jose would have walked away a long time ago. It would be appreciated if at least someone would acknowledge this fact.

I just hope that if and when things proceed, those who have been too miserable to pay what is due are held to ransom at that point. In other words I hope that they are forced to pay all accrued charges before they can complete formalities. Legal or not legal is really of no importance....as stated below, those who have paid nothing have all of us who have made their payments to thank for still having a glimmer of hope. What really annoys me is that if things do not come to a happy end, it will be those who have been so miserable, living for nothing on the backs of those who have paid, that will mouth off and complain that they have been let down.

Clearly the idea to name and shame does not bother some people....we can't all have morals. I hope I'm right about the future and I truly hope the miserable non payers have to cough up some time soon.

Well said psbhoy and Vagabond!  Couldn't agree more.  We've paid everything that has been asked of us and hope the non-payers aren't allowed to profit at the expense of others.  As I've said before, it is only through the efforts of the committee(s) and their supporters that we are as far forward as we are now.

Just hopeful that we soon achieve our goal but it certainly won't be thanks to the likes of Victor and Co! 

I am always interested to read the replies I generate and still can not believe that some ( probably marxist) believe that non residents are expected to subsidise others.

Effectively SJ did walk away and have used every trick in the book to extract more cash from all whilst ditching their contractual obligations. This is why most of the Spanish will not pay a cent. 

I read of the robbery in the summer but then heard that one of the committee wanted a security guard on site for 3 weeks at great cost. I think some personal responsibility is due. We do not need security guards or life guards for that matter.

Try this for a solution. Community asset maintenance costs / number of properties listed  in your deeds  as your annual cost.  Then add to that 20 or 30 € for each week you are there for utilities. Totally fair....well as fair as can be.  Some would still object. However there should be less living off the backs of others and then moaning when they object.

I am quite amused when someone suggest that I am living off the back of others...(what warped mind thinks that).....because I won't pay for what I don't use. 

from another thread. what is this about?

Hi to all,

Any creditor of San Jose Inversiones should be aware that the proposal for settlement from the Administrators has become public.

They propose a reduction on the credits of 20%, plus a calendar of payments starting in 2014.

The proposal includes some considerations about the future of this and other sites.

If you would like the details on this porposal, please let us know.

Kind regards,

Many non residents, like myself, are paying the community fee.  I believe residents pay extra per month for electic and water and and those renting out should pay extra if their property is in use.  

The developers legal responsibility for supplying water and electric until coh, was only ever intended to be a short term arrangement and  no-one could foresee the problems with the objections to this site. As I understand it, SJ did fulfil their obligations  for several years, but no company could afford to maintain these expenses indefinitely.  The development finally received approval after a protracted legal process and we all heaved a sigh of relief.  However, this was short-lived as not long afterwards we were hit by the recession and we all know the consequences of that.

If by paying a community fee at this stage keeps the development going - and it looks promising with the roads and infrastructure being nearly  finished - then I think this is a small price to pay if it ensures the completion of the site.

We would all like to pay for what we use, but without meters that is not possible and even with, there is always a standing charge.

Agreed ceejay the residents do pay more. It is €30 / m. I would agree to that if I was a resident, €30 to pay for all my utilities I would go for that!  In the UK I pay for what I use which is about £1500 pa...you must now be seeing my point.  What hacks me of even more is residents leaving A/C on when they are not in.  Check the gardens,. non res will have plants dying as water has been turned off, but the residents will have lush ones. Private pools....auto fill or otherwise, have you witnessed any resident having a tanker outside pumping it in? I have not.

The recession was foreseeable to many outside politics that had any form of Economics background. Too many benefits for non productive people in the sense of for the economy..not kids, projects on borrowed money ...pfi, and a desire by Labour politicians to hit the producers of wealth.

SJ flouted the rules  no sorrow for them.

I totally agree with every single point Victor makes!

Until metere are installed the so called community should look at each property and attempt to discuss the correct charge based on occuption and use of the property. (i.e. resident, rented, holiday home, etc)Attempt to classify each property. (i know this relies on honesty and some auditing)

It's sounds difficult but I think you'll be suprised and find almost everyone is willing to be honest and pay for what they use. Some form of standing charge for management of the assets........i.e pools, pump maintenace, admin fees etc can easily be calculated and distributed on an equal basis per property.

Currently there is no logic or reasoning coming from the so called community administrators, they are simply treating everybody the same when clearly that is not the position. Yes we are all in the same boat but some need to stoke the engine more than others.

If this type of approach was adopted until meteres could be installed I think we would start to see greater harmony amongst all owners.

Until then, like Victor you can kiss my arse if you think I'm subsidising anyone else!

DI

And you in turn can kiss the arse of the authorities if and when they come looking for what is owed at completion stage......if you are a non payer...........apolgies if you are not......... In which case you can enjoy watching the actual non-payers kiss the authority's arse at that stage.

Yours optimisticly

Lets hope the 'authorities' chase the ones fraudulently collecting and spending other peoples money. 

Why would 'authorities' come after any of us? My contract has been broken if I have to pay for utilities before COH are issued.

Some it seems have little respect for LAWS.

May you be rewarded elsewhere.

psbhoy - just the type of reasonable harmonious behaviour I was taliking about, thanks for your well constructed comments!!

Is it true that the ' committee' have borrowed €30000 from SJ to pay for their utilities?

I belive it is indeed and unfortunately  true  !

That should be the death of the commitee.........................

Who knows whats legal in Spian nowadays but it would not be a great suprise that the commitee defaults on the loan and the residents are forced to pay or have their properties repossessed.

This is ridiculous, how can a community take on a loan, they have no authority to do anything like this...............

complete idiots!!

The commitee should have called a full meeting and all property owners should have had a vote.

If this is true the commitee has acted illegally and should be taken to court for this act.

I am a non resident and have always paid my way, yes I know what has been said and I agree with a lot of what is said. But EP has been keep going by some owners paying something. Even though my water gets turned off and the voltage is 185volts. I don't have a pool, by choice. But don't mind others having having pools but not on auto fill. I does wind me up to see outsiders (not friend or family) using the communal pools.

This would explain why I have had a bill from the Administrators. I normally pay via the bank, and get a receipt.

Hi 9P.

Unfortunately the administrators have not got a  clue who has / not paid if they paid in  cash at a bank. At the meeting they were wanting people to prove any payment...

I still will not pay for anything that is not communal now. I did at first in the hope etc.  but not now. I have no problem with paying for what I use even as a guestimate

forgot to mention, the water is actually cheap..unless it is tankered in. A  cubic metre is about  € 1.  in proper lingo...about 220 gall. the water is mainly flowing in from the water supplier