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14 Dec 2009 11:17 PM by malc Star rating. 143 forum posts Send private message

LMAO  you are so funny and so predictable, nothing has changed with you has it? 
 



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14 Dec 2009 11:27 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

I think if you read over the posts you will find Brian whoops! Malc that it was you who started the nasty comments . Try using your brain rather than insulting others and you may get something out of this. 50% over 5 years and no property to show for all this time and trouble looks like being your best outcome if you choose to listen to the crooks .Your call . I know what mine is . Good luck  sado you will need it .  MM



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14 Dec 2009 11:45 PM by malc Star rating. 143 forum posts Send private message


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15 Dec 2009 9:46 AM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

I have to agree with MM on this get the F.....rs into liquidation ASAP at least they have to sell off everything and make some attempt to pay back the creditors, dont fool yourselves that you will get a house within the forseeable future

Blaggy although i agree with your sentiments I dont think you could get away with saying "I want my money"without a notary here in Spain absolutley everything has to go via the notary

The rest of you if you choose to go the way of SARC make sure you have a good interpreter because as MM says he is only a legal representative there to ensure you know what you are signing and check that ypou are who you say you are



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15 Dec 2009 12:38 PM by clairetonks Star rating. 8 forum posts Send private message

Hi all, i'm new to this site so not quite sure whats going on. I have a solicitor who is doing the work with my claim in court, but he never has any information for me. Does anyone know what is going on in court and at what stage they are at? and more to the point when our money might be returned if it will be returned. I dont have a BG either.

Thanks

Claire




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15 Dec 2009 3:29 PM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

Claire

All I can say is get your solicitor working for you, if they say they have nothing to tell you they are sitting back and not actively persuing your claim,  If you paid them up front then they are as bad as SJ/HDT + the agent who sold to you,and in my opinion are obviously not doing a good job for you,  mind you having said that you really have to keep on at them to get owt done.

 As for getting your money back you should look on it as lost and then you wont be disappointed because it is along way from being resolved whatever you may read, a lot who have bank guarantees are having problems getting there money never mind those who dont have one. The only difference is eventually those with a BG will get paid out but it wil entail taking the banks to court


 



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15 Dec 2009 4:13 PM by clairetonks Star rating. 8 forum posts Send private message

autie linda,

thanks very much for your reply i will get on their backs a bit but i not paid them upfront so thats not too bad. I'm not banking on the money but i'll still hold on to that shread of hope. you never know.

Thanks

Claire




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16 Dec 2009 12:57 AM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Hi Claire , how are you ?  Give my love to Brian and Tony x MM


 



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16 Dec 2009 4:45 PM by alantracey Star rating. 156 forum posts Send private message

A question for Tony and Brian:

How can HdT be making offers and proceeding to the next stage of the administration process (as stated in your report) when the current stage has not yet been completed? We and many others, are still waiting for our Contract to be terminated by the judge.

 

 

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16 Dec 2009 7:24 PM by Laird Dave of Lochaber Star rating in San Miguel De Salina.... 180 forum posts Send private message

Hi Tracey

Thats an easy one to answer Tracey.

The company provide one set of answers and proposals for the court and administrators and one set for SARC.

Cheers

 

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16 Dec 2009 9:45 PM by alantracey Star rating. 156 forum posts Send private message

Dave

That would be funny if it were not so near the truth !




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16 Dec 2009 10:38 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth  ???????  SARC really want to take a reality check !

For info I have started a new thread on the general forum  ,Developers section ,entitled Question for Maria (Maria is a respected lawyer who answers questions on many  legal matters affecting members on the EOS  forum ) 

I have asked a general question about the latter stages of the admin process and specifically about  the agreement stage and what it means for us. Maria has replied and has also started a blog to explain the in and outs of this process .It would be good if people could ask some questions and/or  comment on the blog .

Here's to the truth not just a one sided arguments with SARC rubbishing anyone who disagrees with them . The truth should prevail and be heard .Hope this is of some help .MM


 



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17 Dec 2009 10:09 PM by Recardo Star rating. 103 forum posts Send private message

Hi Claire,

A lot of us must have the same lady lawyer as you do.  Mayby you were also introduced by Smart Investors to SADAM.  The advice is kep on top of them.  I e-mail my lawer 2-3 times a week and have done so repeatedly for 6-7 weeks and I'm still waiting for a reply.  In the past i have Phoned, Faxed, and posted letters (more expense for nothing).

Paid upfront  for the legal contract (no bank guarantee as far as I Know, as she wold not answer my e-mails) and again 1000 E to go through the administration.  Maybe it is the Spanish way take the money and do sod all for it.

So if your reading this lady solicitor M, you took my money so represent me to the full, and try to gain the respect of the legal profession in Spain,  If you do not want to do your best to represent me, and reply to my last 14-21 e-mails, I will ask you to return my money so I can hire someone else.

I have received pm's from others saying they could not get a reply either from the same lawyer.  What should I do now Fly over and bang on her door?

So keep on at them If you have one that cares good luck to you,  I wouln't recomend mine to any one.




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29 Dec 2009 10:13 AM by cargic Star rating in Horsham Sussex, Buen.... 23 forum posts Send private message

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Hi All

This was flagged up to me today, from google, however i can't see a date on the article but worth a read:-

Copy and paste below

http://www.simplynetworking.es/news-1922-31-santa_ana_del_monte__jumilla_golf_resort_court_asks_for_proof_of_adequacy_of_water_resources.html

For news about Polaris World copy and paste below

http://www.simplynetworking.es/news_further.php?id=1926&top_id=31

 

Regards

Clive

 



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29 Dec 2009 6:35 PM by Margaret and Charlie Star rating in Scotland. 34 forum posts Send private message

I contacted Simply Networking about the date of this article and here is their reply

I posted it on Sunday 27th December.
Sorry, I am not very good at dating articles, I often forget to date them, will do it immediately.
 
Here is the original article for you from La Verdad. I have put it through a translator for you.
To be honest, I knew nothing of this urbanisation until I got a note through from one of the press agencies. The great tragedy of what is happening to the ex-pats is so badly reported here it's untrue. The brits in england hear more about the problems than we do, and of course there are situations like this all along the coast, not just in Murcia, so very little is reported.
Last week the same thing happened to the Trampolin Hills development, near to Murcia, thats another 2500 people who will lose their deposits, and yesterday the news leaked that Polaris world are seeking bankruptcy protection, which will affect many more thousands.  I have done some digging around to try and find more of the history of your development, but theres very little in the spanish press. I can't find confirmation of the financial status of the developer, but given the current economic situation, this build won't happen.
I would imagine most of you knew nothing about this legal action by the shepherd as it appears that the developer has been lying through its teeth to you all. I was sickened by the letter sent to you just a few days before the developer sought bankruptcy protection.
If you do have any further information that would fill in the gaps for me, I would be very grateful .
 
We've been here eight years , and the website has only been out a few months. It took 6 months to do the programming, and we have worked very hard to try and build it, but letting people know its out there is the hardest thing. Please forgive me if I have little knowledge of what has happenend to you all, there's been so much to learn about and as you probably know, finding out info is the hardest thing and I've spent vast amounts of time just setting up the contacts to get the info.
 
I have tended to try and focus on the positive of being here, as there are many people, like ourselves, who live here in a half built house and have no prospect at all of being able to make any sort of move for a very long time, so we've dug in , and determined to find as much as we could to help other ex-pats and give information, particularly finding as much as we could for free and helping those of us here to make the most of life here.
I am desperately sorry to hear about these developments and what is happening, and am deeply angered by the complacency of the spanish system and the corruption that has allowed this to happen. My site is read by some fairly important people in the local government, so i make my points subtly, but believe me, I really will do everything I can to raise the profile of what is happening and spread the message.
Please let me have any information you can, and please feel free to pass what I've written to anyone else who may have information they can send that can be used to make  the point.
 
I really do wish you all the best, Zoe.

Her contact e-mail is      coopers 130@hotmail.com
 
 
 

Llegar hasta Pascual Carrión Guardiola es casi imposible. Sus amigos dicen de él que es un solitario, casi un ermitaño. Pasa la mayor parte del tiempo junto a su rebaño en el paraje de la Herrada del Tollo, y allí, rodeado de un manso silencio y de sus animales, lo encuentra 'La Verdad'. Pascual, pastor por vocación, está trabajando, afanado en lo suyo aunque ya haya anochecido. Desde hace cuarenta años se levanta cada mañana pensando en cuidar a sus cabras y ovejas, y hoy no ha hecho una excepción pese a que tiene mucho que celebrar. «Llevo siete años luchando para que la Justicia me dé la razón, y por fin lo he conseguido», cuenta orgulloso. Como un nuevo David frente al gigante Goliat, Pascual Carrión ha logrado que el Tribunal Supremo paralice las 2.285 viviendas y el campo de golf previsto en la urbanización Santa Ana del Monte Jumilla Golf.

Por eso, este pastor se ha convertido, aun sin buscarlo, en un héroe para muchos. Su lucha comenzó en el 2002, cuando le notificaron que por su finca iba a pasar una línea eléctrica de alta tensión. «Suponía una ruina total para mí, por el riesgo para el ganado». Acudió a la Justicia, pero no pudo evitar que la obra se llevase a cabo. El asunto está todavía en los tribunales. «Al principio, la línea iba a pasar por una finca rústica colindante a la mía, pero la desviaron», denuncia. Cuando conoció que una promotora quería construir miles de casas en la zona, ató cabos. El plan parcial, que aprobó el Ayuntamiento de Jumilla, suponía la expropiación de 30 hectáreas de terreno. «Era el fin de lo que he hecho toda mi vida, desde hace cuarenta años». Por eso, decidió plantar cara al proyecto. En su demanda, pidió la suspensión cautelar de la urbanización argumentando, entre otras cosas, que la promotora no había demostrado contar con recursos hídricos necesarios para el campo de golf y las viviendas. Ese posible déficit de agua ponía en riesgo la continuidad de su actividad pastoril. La Sala de lo Contencioso Administrativo del TSJ de la Región dictaminó hace dos años en su contra al entender que en la demanda «no se concreta ni acredita los posibles perjuicios que se derivarían de la no adopción de la medida cautelar». Además, los jueces recordaron que el plan parcial preveía la construcción de una planta desalinizadora y potabilizadora.

Sin embargo, el Tribunal Supremo ha tumbado ahora este dictamen y, en un auto conocido esta semana, ha ordenado la suspensión cautelar del proyecto hasta que «se acredite la suficiencia de los recursos hídricos necesarios».

Concurso de acreedores

Pascual Carrión no oculta su alegría. «Por fin se me ha escuchado, y sólo espero que la Justicia también me oiga en el caso de la línea de alta tensión». Promete, por tanto, seguir dando guerra. De momento, el Ayuntamiento ya ha acatado la decisión del Supremo. El alcalde, Francisco Abellán, apuntó el viernes que el Plan Parcial podría reducirse. De hecho, Pascual Carrión subraya que la empresa ha declarado concurso de acreedores. El proyecto no pasa por su mejor momento. Ayer, el alcalde volvió a referirse a la urbanización. «En el futuro los planes se deberán elaborar de forma más sostenible», explicó a la agencia Efe. La sentencia, añadió, crea «precedente en la futura construcciones de planes parciales urbanos si no se garantizan los recursos hídricos mínimos, y da prioridad al sector ganadero». Por su parte, Ecologistas en Acción aplaude al Supremo. «El auto viene a corroborar que durante los años de burbuja inmobiliaria se han aprobado proyectos sin tener ni siquiera agua garantizada», sostiene Rubén Vives, uno de los portavoces de la organización. De momento, lo que está claro es que Pascual Carrión ya ha ganado una batalla.

Reaching Carrion Pascual Guardiola is almost impossible. His friends say of him as a loner, almost a hermit. He spends most of his time with his flock in the place of the Tollo Herrada and there, surrounded by silence and their tame animals, he finds 'The Truth'. Pascual, pastor by vocation, working, toiling at it even though already dark. For forty years, gets up every morning thinking about caring for their goats and sheep, and today has made an exception despite having much to celebrate. "I have been fighting for seven years that Justice will give me the reason, and I finally got it ', says proudly. As a new David versus Goliath, Pascual Carrión has managed to paralyze the Supreme Court and the 2285 homes planned golf course development in Santa Ana del Monte Jumilla Golf.
So this pastor has become, even without seeking a hero to many. Their fight began in 2002, when he was notified that his estate would pass a high voltage power line. "It meant a total wreck for me, the risk to cattle. He went to court, but could not prevent the work is carried out. The matter is still before the courts. "At first, the line was to pass a farm adjacent to mine, but diverted 'complaint. Upon learning that a developer wanted to build thousands of homes in the area, tied ropes. The partial plan, approved by the City of Jumilla, involved the expropriation of 30 hectares of land. "It was the end of what I have done all my life for forty years." So he decided to stand up to the project. In its application, requested the freezing of urbanization arguing, among other things, that the promoter had not proved necessary to have water for the golf course and housing. That possible water deficit put at risk the continuity of his pastoral activity. The Administrative Litigation Division of the Supreme Court ruled the region two years ago against it believes that demand is "not practical or possible harm accredits that would result from not taking the precautionary measure". Moreover, judges recalled that the partial plan envisaged the construction of a desalination plant and water treatment.
However, the Supreme Court has this advice and now lying in a car known this week, has ordered the interim suspension of the project until "proving the adequacy of water resources needed".
Bankruptcy
Pascual Carrión not hide his joy. "At last I heard, and just hope that justice will also hear me in the case of high voltage line. It promises, therefore, continue to give war. For now, the City has complied with the decision of the Supreme. The mayor, Francisco Abellán, said Friday that the Partial Plan could be reduced. In fact, Pascual Carrión stresses that the company has declared insolvency proceedings. The project is not
going through its best. Yesterday, the mayor again referred to urbanization. "In future plans should be developed in a more sustainable," she told the EFE news agency. The ruling, he added, creates a precedent in future urban constructions of partial plans are not guaranteed if the minimum water resources, giving priority to the livestock sector. Meanwhile, Ecologists in Action applauds the Supreme. "The car corroborates that during the housing bubble years of projects have been approved without even water guaranteed" says Rubén Vives, a spokesman for the organization. For now, what is clear is that Pascual Carrión has already won a battle.


 



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29 Dec 2009 7:57 PM by suemac Star rating in Jumilla, Murcia. 1001 forum posts Send private message

To add to this story about the shepherd: John and I happened to be in a bar in Jumilla this evening, when John noticed a feature on España Directo (on La 1, Spanish TV channel) where they were interviewing this shepherd!  He seems to have become a local or even national hero!

Sue



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29 Dec 2009 8:11 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Surprising Sue that you had not heard of any of this before now ,Do you know the shepherd , I think we may all know him  !!!!!!!!!


 



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29 Dec 2009 11:15 PM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

I remember being told sometime ago that HDT had bought the land from the sheperd, well like everything else a great big lie.

I just had to paste this littel snippet that is where HDT got the company name

spends most of his time with his flock in the place of the

                                         "Tollo Herrada"

does anyone know who is the poster who wants us to give them information ????????



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29 Dec 2009 11:32 PM by Margaret and Charlie Star rating in Scotland. 34 forum posts Send private message

Her name is Zoe Cooper she wrote the article in the Simply Networking Website about the Shepherd   I wrote to her asking the date of the article and that was her reply to my e-mail. 




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30 Dec 2009 12:03 AM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

What is the point it is over and we have all been fleeced (pardon the pun ) ,Perhaps Tony and Brian will now see the light. It is well and truly game over !

Lets take a civil action and bring the personal wealth of those at the top of SJ into the equation .Whoops it's  too late !! its all gone now without a trace !

Fin and many others tried to enlighten us to the crooks and how devious and self preserving they were but we  waited too long arguing over the same old bull .

Everyone has been conned look at the El Pinet web page residents have been paying good money for utilities into an SJ account for months and now there is not enough to pay the bills .We are all losers here .I have only one question where is the money and if Almu , Jose or any one else at the top has any personal wealth then some of it is ours !!!!!!!!  Crooks for that is what they appear to be, should be held to account in a criminal court and made to answer for their actions .

Surely enough is finally enough !! or do SARC still expect some sort of honest  agreement now . Pleeeeaaaase !!!!!!!  if so please spare me and anyone else on on this forum with a modicum of  sense  the ridiculous details of what the crooks have to say .I am soooo not interested  !!!!!!  MM 
 



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