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What is your problem with low earning locals? I assume that the staff in Consum, for example, are low earning locals, and from our experience of living in the town of Jumilla, we have found staff working in the shops very friendly and helpful. Our friend Juana's husband works on one of the building sites (not SADM, I hasten to add!) and I would be more than happy to have them as my neighbours.
Sue
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Many, many low workers are hard working and have much self respect, but in all Countries, there are the scrounges who always have their hand out and not prepared to give anything in return.
OK, so not the low-earners, just the scroungers, down and outs and what not many honest, hard working people would want living next to their home, their holiday home, in fact not living near them.
Are people who wokk in Consum low earners, you tell me, I kow of none.
Perhaps you requirements for neighbours is very low so you would not be affected?
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Sue retail staff and building trade workers in Spain are or should I say were in the case of the Building Industry, considered average income . I don't think this is the group the Spanish Prime Minister is targeting ? I like FIN have seen this social model as idealistic as it seems put into practise else where in Spain.Unfortunately the outcome is not always the desired social Idell however good the original intention . I am not sure how many of us bought into being guinea pigs in Senor Zapeteros social experiment . He would do better to insist the Spanish banks adhere to the laws of their own country and pay back on BGs immediately JA
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Good !!
So if the Spanish government are going to bail out the flailing construction industry.............they can give me my money back too !!
72,000 euros is all i want please !
Not a big hole in 3billion euros eh ?
We'll see!!
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Hi All,
I have met with my UK solicitor and discussed the behaviour and coments made by some on this site and in particular the comments aimed at myself. The comments are libel and I have a case against those making them under UK law. It is time that you realised that you are legally accountable for your postings and can be taken to court.
I realise that some of you are stressed and may post in the heat of the moment, however, this does not make it acceptable.
As for the inane remarks that have been made.... STICKS AND STONES MAY BRAKE MY BONES ........
THIS IS THE I WANT MY HOUSE STRAND SO .......I WANT MY HOUSE AND I HOPE YOU ALL GET WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
Tony R17 18
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Tony, didn't you realise that people are legally accountable for anything they put in print for public reading?
I thought all would be aware of that, especially if they offer advice on a website they control themselves.
Was your solicitor surprised that you were not aware?
That is assuming you sort the advice for yourself, as I assume most others are aware.
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Tony I am sure your lawyer also explained that in order to claim libel you must prove that any comments are not true or are not based on any fact (fact and truth appear to be areas you have great difficulty with) are you sure you would be able to prove this regards all comments . for example who paid for lunch ? Glass houses and stones spring to mind. I understand there is already litigation under way in the UK regards SARC leaders ,their methods , information and who they claim to represent . JA
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I havnt met with any solicitor and will continue to speak my mind and say what i feel to be right.
I call a spade a spade and a shovel a shovel...................can you dig it?
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Tony I believe you to be a complete and utter prat who writes fairy tales as though they are substaniated fact. I believe that you are not grounded in any reality and that no-one takes you seriously ( except yourself ) Your lawyer must privately think you are a prat also. Just imaging the conversation makes me cringe.
I cant believe you used a professionals time for such nonsense. Given you dont know who any of these people are and they have expressed an opinion. At least they have not written to papers claiming to represent people who they obviously do not.
All you have become is the entertainment while we wait for an outcome
It may be harsh but it is true
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Daer all,
those that think it is good fun to make comments or inferences about back handers. just remember that Tony and myself have recieved no payments whatsoever I know that my stating this wont bare any weight with those particular peple but then they proberly have their own ulteria motives fo their negativity and bad mouthing behaviour.
I will say this one more time as far as I can see their is no hope of getting any money back if the company folds and goes into liquidation, No matter what you may think about SJ remember that it is only two parts of the company that have gone into Concusor that being SJI and HDT no other part of the group. If their assets are sold off it will be at a short fall of the real value of those assets.
By the time the courts , banks and goverment get their cut their wont be much left for those without BG's.
HERE IS JUST A THOUGHT
As for those With BG's maybe the reason that they aren't being honoured at this time one because of concursor and two it might be that if the banks refinance the company then they may not want to pay out. Arn't the BG's to Gaurentee that the properties get buit in the first instance and only pay out if there is no other way to get the building completed
(these are just ideas as no one seems to be able to answer the question and I can find no reference as to their function specific to building in spain)
brianmags
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Hi All, Just back from Spain, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Senor Zappatero has already implemented his plan! A herd of goats have now moved in at the main gate in SADM. On a serious note, having visited SADM it felt very sad, the whole site is overgrown and for us it no longer feels the way it once did! We have now decided its not where we want to be. We have to agree with AuntieLinda if it is ever to be built it will be a ghost town for years to come, and God knows how long it will take to sell all the houses. Having spent a week in Playa Golf 2, SADM by comparison is far too big a development to be a comfortable place to live. Funny how you see things in a different light a couple of years up the road! SJ have probably done us a favour in the long run, we just want our money back and to buy somewhere else.Cheers Joanniemac
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Joanniemac
That is not totally true and you know it not unless you just went straight past on the road. We have just come back and the site was just as it was i.e not overgrown, the place was well maintained and there were quite a few people around keeping the place nice. We again went around the show houses and all the doors were unlocked for us to freely look around. We were not dreaming and we spoke specifically to the people that were there. There was well maintained grass and trees. Nothing like a ghost town and by the way no one knew we were going so it was not fixed. They were more than happy to answer any questons and speak to us.
You should have driven up and off the road and then you could have seen this for yourself.
Chrissie
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Hi Chrissie, we did drive into the site and yes the site office area and show homes were well maintained, I was describing the area around the concrete bases which are overgrown. Sorry if I didnt make that clear. However we drove along the road past the sales office to look at the grand entrance which they were building when we were over last year,and it was really overgrown and yes there was a herd of goats grazing [if goats graze?] The ghost town comment was in relation to the size of SADM and the length of time to achieve full occupation and if the residents are permanent or holiday home owners. Sorry didnt mean to cause any offence.Cheers Joanniemac
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Chrissie you are delusional (can I have some of what you're drinking.)
Brian mags
1) NO the BGs are insurance for exactly this situation ie the builder going bust,which incidentally is about to happen ! Did you know that the Administration have instructed banks not to pay .This is a complete contravention of Spanish Law.
2)You and Tony met with SJ claiming to represent all purchasers this was not the case and many are unhappy with this and will not forget your deception.You accepted a free lunch which shows your integrity and is indeed in its self a backhander.ie you condoned the whole situation ie, No Win for customers of SJ .We all thank you for that ,you are too stupid to realise what you have done.
My late father who died August 2007 was a purchaser of two properties on SADM did you represent him . I don't think so !
3) There is no hope of getting money back through the company they have none.Yes they will fold very soon,and the situation is so bad the whole SJ groupo will fold not just the subsiduarys .Therefore your point is nonsense.
4) You obviously would not know because you were not astute enough to get a BG but it is quite clear in Spanish Law what they are for it is to protect the deposit in the case of failure to build or complete after as stated time of delay, or breach of contract
Why do you even comment on things you know nothing about.
Your whole post is a pathetic effort . Pleeeeeasse Leave it to the professionals .
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Julie Ann,
I also have not got a BG and i take great offence in your comments that if we have not got one we can only blame ourselves for being so gulllible!!!!!!!
We and many others continued to request BG ,being told by SJ another pack of lies ie its in the post etc etc.
Please do not assume that we all sat back and just waited for BG to drop on our door steps, we for one were very proactive in trying to get it issued.
Also , you have stated (as fact?) that SJ are about to go bust. Please can you substantiate your claim?
We only want to deal with FACT on here and if you have proof of this development within the administration i am sure we would all love to see it.
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Vicktheviking sorry if the BG comment caused offence ,I realise many tried to get BGs and failed what does this tell you about SJ .However there were some whio did not do the research and were not aware of the fact that BGs should be issued.
As for the other comments I wish we could deal only with fact but SARC make it impossible.We will not have long to wait now.SJ will be forced to go bust as they have clearly been unable to refinance. JA This message was last edited by julie anne on 9/26/2008.
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Hi Vic,
it is very rare to see any evidence from a lot of people who make comments on here, they just criticise others who do show supporting evidence.
Bully tactics comes to mind.
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Hi everyone
Why don't we have a truce? Perhaps we could start a new thread called "I want my money back", and the only people who can post on there will be those who want their money back (though the IWMH brigade can look at what is being said). We could then restrict posts on "I want my house" to those who genuinely want their houses (though again IWMMB can look at the posts). What do you think? I am sure the majority of us are fed up with insults being hurled at other people, and I know people who won't post here anymore for that very reason. We could even have a thread for "Peeple who liek to mak spelin misstakes wivowt been critisized"! 
I know we are all fed up with waiting for news and are worried about our money,but petty squabbling isn't helping anybody.
Sue
PS For those concerned about the water situation, we had more heavy rain in Jumilla this morning.
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Author of "Retiring the Ole Way", now available on Amazon
See my blog about our life in Spain: www.spainuncovered.com
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