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JA
I agree with all you say. the news is not good but for those will proactive solicitors it still could be. I believe next week will be pivotal
so chin up everyone
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I wouldnt worry about it FIN. If its the same here as in the UK , minorities rule anyway and in this case thats those with a Bank Guarantee.
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Linda Needham
La Alberquilla
Jumilla, Murcia
R4 308 For Rental
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Hi JA,
Once again apologies for the late responce but I am doing some work on my house and need to have it completed by Tuesday.
Any way it is fair to say that we now have appoximatley 100 members not to tardy and FIN I would have replied but for my time being taken by other things that happen in life and as such is properly no deinatley more important than answering questions on a forum sorry to say I believe in Family first rule above all else they are first in my life. So you have an answer to the question.
best wishes
Brianmags
R4 556
I want My House
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Thank you for your response.
What I now find strange is that just a few days ago, it was claimed that SARC members were not the minority, so are there just 199 purchasers, or was the original claim incorrect?
If there are 1500 putchasers and 100 members, that is a maximum of 7% representation
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Or is it 199 people mearly keeping the door open (understandably) but given the actual choice of new Contract to continue to purchase and wait , or money back within small timescale and not deal with SJ/HdT , or indeed any new consortium/financiers and re-begin their lives money intact... How many actually would sign I wonder?
Not me for one (given the choice to never deal with this Company again). So theres immediately 198.
Sorry Tony and Brian far too many lies - my choice would be money back whether it was house in 15 months or money back in 15 months.
Sal
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FIN
Can you remember that theme tune to the Magic Roundabout well thats just what you sound like. Boring. MnMnMnMnMn. Change the record.
Chrissie
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FIN
At least we know how many people are members of SARC, however there is also a silent majority (1500 - 100 members of SARC - number of people (?) who have stated they want their money back). Don't assume that the silent majority all want their money back - they may very well want their houses too! We have seen a lot of people posting on here, making accusations against SARC, and saying that they want their money back, but how many people are there? Are you buying on SADM? Is Julie Anne? Why don't all those people on this forum who are buying in SADM and want their money back tell us who they are - if there are more than 100 or you, then SARC are obviously wrong. Let's have a count. We know that there are Spanish people in Jumilla who have bought on SADM (we are happy to state that this is from a reliable source, an estate agent we know in town) and who I would imagine aren't on this forum - do they want their house or their money back?
Although maths isn't my strongest subject, I know that 1500 purchasers, minus 100 who have stated that they want their house, means that there are 1400 purchasers whose opinion we do not know. Some of them post on here, so let's have a count: are there more than 99 people who want their money back? It still won't prove anything unless we discover there are 101 + purchasers at SADM who don't want their house. However as I have already stated there will be more people whose opinion we don't know.
Let's start counting now!
Sue
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See my blog about our life in Spain: www.spainuncovered.com
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It seems that Chrissie also likes the fantasy world and does not like truth and fact.
Some people are strange.
If it makes her better, have you heard that SADM is to be completed next year and prices will increase by 10%, with guaranteed purchasers. Needless to say, also many holidaymakers wanting to rent those properties.
All purchasers at SADM will make money, why the rest of the world is in decline.
Now, that should make her feel better.
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Sue, my query was because there was a claim that SARC were not in the minority and as it is claimed there were 1500 purchasers, irrespective of them wanting their money or house back, if SARC only represent 100 purchasers, how can they claim to represent the majority?
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Hi Fin
there are 1500 purchasers 45% ish spainsh that leaves 850 ish other nationalities take 15% of that say for german, swedish and others that leaves approx. 720 briatish and Irish that means at least 13% are members of SARC and that is only if they own only one property.
Now then how many in the I Want My Money Back camp do you actually know
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Brianmags
R4 556
I Want My House
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OK, so forget the complicated maths., and stats, simple sums should make you aware that 13% is the minority and not the majority, whereas SARC did claim that they were not the minority.
Follow so far?
What an earth has what percentage is being purchased (not owned) by whatever nationality. Is SARC purely to represent Brits?
Hope that they pointed that out to SJ. That they are the minority and that terms of membership excludes non British.
Please don't try and juggle the figures. Stats are stats. 1500 purchasers, irrespective of nationality of the purchasers. I see nothing on your application form specifying you have to state your nationality. How many non-Brits are members, or don't you know?
If there is a non-Brit member, so should we reduce 100 to 99 ?
This message was last edited by FriendinNeed on 9/29/2008.
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I can not believe that anyone thinks they still have a choice in this matter ,Money Or House .Unfortunately the choice has been taken out of our hands. Is everything I say lost on this forum .
I have heard through the grapevine that SJ/HdT are selling all the land at SADM ,(well that is the land that they actually own.) in order to pay debts and save the other branches of the company.I hope when negotiating your new contracts the amount you have already paid is taken into consideration by your new developer and you don't have to renegotiate your new contract while waiting in line as a creditor of SJ/HdT for you original deposit and staged payments .From what has been explained to me today I understand that this would be the position of anyone wishing to continue under a new contract with the new developer who is buying the land at SADM.Don't touch and barge poll were also mentioned Good luck YAMIYWYBH
To Sue as I have explained many times before I have an interest in two properties in SADM through circumstance not choice .I have not insulted or questioned your situation in all this and take offence at your attitude to mine Thank you . JA
This message was last edited by julie anne on 9/29/2008.This message was last edited by julie anne on 9/29/2008.
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Hi Julie Anne
Thank you for your comments, however from what you say it looks as if this is still pure speculation. If not, are you able to tell us your sources?
I was not trying to insult you, as that is not my style (unlike some members of this forum!). I have found this forum a great help and value the friends I have made through it, which is why I have tried to calm people down recently, no matter whether they want their house or their money back. I don't think squabbling with each other helps the situation.
I think I have made my situation clear, however in case it has escaped your notice, I will explain it again as I have nothing to hide. I was buying a property at SADM with my partner, not as an investment, but as a home which we hoped to retire to. I am now living in Jumilla on my pension as is John, who has taken early retirement. We cannot afford to lose our money, and believe that it is better for SADM to go ahead from the point of view of people who want their money back as well as people who want their house.
I hope that you will retract your statement that I have insulted you. I asked a simple question, nothing more.
Regards.
Sue
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See my blog about our life in Spain: www.spainuncovered.com
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Hi Fin
you still havent said how many in IWMMB is the answer that you don't know.
as for whether they are british or not is not the case these are english speakers as we don't have the facility as yet to mass produce in spanish or the funds as we are a volentary group of individuals as you quote our site as a reference then you know that there is no charge for being a member.
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brianmags
R4 556
I Want My House
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How many in IWMMB - Not a clue and not interested. I don't know. What I do know is under 50% is not majority. Perhaps you could advise the "masters" at SARC of that.
So would you agree that many Spanish, German, French, etc., etc., speak fluent English, possibly better than many Brits.
Can't see that you would have the nerve to charge for being a member. People who pay money expect something in return (ie as purchasers at SADM). Which it seems they get nothing except the spin that SJ wants the purchasers to hear.
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Hi Sue
Many on this forum have accused me of not being a purchaser on SADM .Unfortunately I am as my Father died recently and was in the process of buying two properties .Therefore you fall into the same bracket as others who demand to know the interests of others with no just cause to accuse .I have never speculated or questioned the involvement of others in SADM or have I asked them to explain themselves regards their investment or personal details or situation .In your post you suggested I was not a purchaser at SADM forcing me to tell my situation when I would rather not .Therefore you have insulted me .I do not question your involvement in SADM and the terrible situation you find yourself in, I never would.
To quote your insult " are you buying on SADM ? Is Julie anne ? "
As for your constant questiions about my sources - : Spanish/ European buyers and Residents , Lawyers , court officials, Shareholders ,supplier creditors, land owners / farmers at various sites who still have and hold the the title to their land, journalists british and Spanish, Staff in SJ ,Foriegn Office ,MEPs Financial institutions of Spain, Spanish councils and local government officers , The Bank of Spain reporting panel. and my own common sense .
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Hi JA I was shocked to find out SJ`s tactics on land grab. At PG one of the land owners had a large property unique I might add - one of a kind built on PG the other side of the coin was a small holding that had refused to sell out and SJ just built round about them. Truely shocking!! Cheers Joanniemac
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OK here goes, lets start the count
WWOMB (we won't our money back) - but doesn't say we have no vested interest in the area - just not on this urb.
that's 1 loud and proud !
D&M
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