I want my house

No it is not clear Twigidiot .What is it  exactly that you are trying to say ! You are making no sense at all .JA

Sorry Twigitt...........twitit

Dosnt make sense at all.................try reading it again and re-posting, and ask the spin commander for help

Then let us know what exactly your trying to say.

Brian

I think Twigit meant that he had to go into Twigit's Tryst to see what the question was and answer it there, which he has now done.

Sue

Hi Sue we are referring to the second part of Twigidiots post. We are still waiting for him to clarify what he means !

 been at work and come back to read this twaddle...does anyone actually care what Twiglet means. he talks a pile of Shi*** anyhow...much like someone else I know mmmmmmmmmmm (to coin a phrase) 

Hullo ta all of yer,

Can a ask that intemporate language is avoided at all times....thank yer.  Fer ta rest of yer if yer cant read Kings lingo thats yer problem not mine!

A dont know wot skools a learnin em nowa.......

HLFN

twigit

Twigidiot if you start writing in proper English we will improve our language but until then Twig off !

Hi All,

As there is no money and  the probabilty of getting any back if you do not have a BG is low, I stongly suggest staying with your property.

I and others are staying with our properties and we believe that the majority of the Spainsh purchasers will do the same. We believe that SADM must go ahead, giving us our properties, HdT income enabling them to give money back to those who do not wish to proceed.

Those who do not have BG's but want there money back need money to be there to repay them and it is by SADM going ahead that they can then get their money. It is not possible to be paid back immediately, as there is no money there.

So just to be very clear .....

 I WANT MY HOUSE AND FOR EVERY ONE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIRS TOO AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT WITHOUT BEING ABUSED!

Tony R17 18

Because we did not listen to advice offere and take steps to protect ourselves before it was too late,
"I and others are staying with our properties"
 
"Spainsh purchasers will do the same"
Although as is normal, we have no evidence and accept that it is hearsay.

"We believe that SADM must go ahead, giving us our properties"
Although we risk throwing more good money after bad, in hope only, and the properties would only be worth half waht was paid.

"Those who do not have BG's but want there money back need money to be there to repay them and it is by SADM going ahead that they can then get their money."
If this had been in English, more may have understood.

"It is not possible to be paid back immediately, as there is no money there."
Spoken as if he knew the facts.

Tonymal 's post is as usual completely misleading and based on no facts what so ever .SJ recruited a good disciple and promised him a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow .Time will tell SJ are desperate to get more money from purchasers but what will they get in return ?

JA,

I suggest that you keep your false comments to yourself. I find it truly amazing how I can repect those who want their money back but you respect no one who has an alternative view to yours. You stupidly think that people can not think for themselves and are only motivated by bribery and corruption, so I know what your morals are like!

However, despite yours and your little gaggle of dimwits posting, you have not said where the money is to appear from for those who want it back. So one wonders why you want so many people to lose their money rather than SADM going ahead?  hhhhmhmhmhmh

OH well I SUPPOSE THE NASTY BRIGADE WILL PUSH THIS DOWN THE THREAD .....

Tony R17 18

"JA,

I suggest that you keep your false comments to yourself. I find it truly amazing how I can repect those who want their money back but you respect no one who has an alternative view to yours. You stupidly think that people can not think for themselves and are only motivated by bribery and corruption, so I know what your morals are like!

However, despite yours and your little gaggle of dimwits posting, you have not said where the money is to appear from for those who want it back. So one wonders why you want so many people to lose their money rather than SADM going ahead?  hhhhmhmhmhmh"

That is twigit language. Please translate to English, or will it still read garbage?

Tonymal look to yourself for false comments ,I make none only pass information I recieve .I never pass of my own opinion as truth and fact and do not seek to mislead or to lie ,unlike SARC .

I have had enough of you lies and deciet Tony and I am sure others have to .

Justin  you should  remove the SARC  link immediately .

Tonymal ! You are not a Spanish lawyer  you are a nurse yet  you seem to know better than anyone else what people should do .  This is a  very complex legal situation .It is not as simple as you make out ,why do you over simplify all this .It is not black and white as you would have us all believe  You have actually discouraged others from taking legal advice and show hatred to  those who have sought good legal representation and anyone with the right to use their BG   .Who the hell do you think you are .You are a dangerous muppet  !!!!!!!!

Justin please do something about this link to SARCO it is misleading and disgraceful . I await some good sense !!!!!!  Regards JA

" you seem to know better than anyone else what people should do " Yes, that is why he is in such a hell of a mess, parting with a large quantity of money and getting nothing for it. Very wise and knowledgable person there?

Tony.

Most companies whatever business they are in want to keep going and to continue making mega dollars, so when they call in the administrators, it really is the last resort, almost the end of the road. Think about it. If sj/hdt cannot find a bank or investor to lend them money to keep going, do you really think that they think the administrators can therefore wave a magic wand and find some money where they cant? I dont think so, as the administrators are not gods, unfortunately. So calling them in is really the death toll in 99.9999999% of the time. You obviously think that sj/hdt are the .00000000001% exception. More fool you.

If SADM were to go ahead, and people stuck to their contracts of say an average of €120,000 for an Azucena, that they signed for, they would be insane, as you can now buy an Azucena or similar and slightly larger, ON the coast, with air/con and fully furnished and many extras for an average price of €110,000 or less. So what price an Azucena well in-land without extras?????????

The market in Spain particularly, is on its knees for many years. There are very few buyers around, Spanish or otherwise. The overbuild of new properties is horrendous.

I once backed you on this site because i thought people like Julie Anne were being unfairly abusive to you and i have NOT changed my stance on this, but i will say this Tony, whatever your views or opinions are, if you dont come into the real world regarding  ADMINISTRATORS and LIQUIDATION, then quite honestly in the future you will deserve all that you get and it will be with my blessing.

Administration is the end of the line. There are a few billionaires out there, but even less that would be prepared to back SADM in GOOD times, let alone these horrible ones.

Tony. Please read and inwardly digest, for your own sake if not for others you are trying to lead up the garden path.

I will communicate with other people on this site, but never again with you Tony. Sorry old chap.

                          Bob.

Hawkings

SJ have been given permission by the court to sell assets to raise money to finish El Pinet .  Work at El Pinet started this week .If you look on the El Pinet thread there are SADM purchasers congratulating El Pineters on the good news ,of course we are happy to anyone on the forum who has good news  but this stinks of ignorance of this companies wrong doings .

I have known for some time that  SJ will continue and  HdT will go to the wall having given a huge loan to SJ which has never been repaid .The whole thing is corrupt and we ,Tonynmal more than most have had the wool pulled over our eyes . The true situation must be exposed as the outcome is exactly what SJ wanted .To ditch the "White Elephant " (SADM) and continue with the other subsiduries in tact .

I can not see how this is fair to all intents and purposes both companies are one in the same and the San Jose group of 12 companies are one in the same .The other 10 companies in the group are solvent  and doing well  so who should we be chasing  to get our money back ?The parts of the company with money or the ones who CLAIM to have none .

Enough already ! pull the whole damn lot into the mix and lets see where the money has gone . If Tony does not stop helping them and supporting them this will never happen and God help us all .  Pleeaaase  smell the roses  .Regards JA

Bob

I share some of your sentiments and have thought about the following scenario:

Scenario 1:  Pay the 30% deposit.  Ask for your money back and the worst happens - no refund.  Carry on with your life and continue to fight for monies back over time.  Result - temporary loss of 30% with possibility of getting money back.  Use remaining 70% of your funds to get a similar or better property that you can enjoy immediately (key ready or re-sale only for me) or walk away completely and use your money for a round the world cruise or whatever!

Scenario 2:  Pay the 30% deposit.  Continue with the build (if this is feasible).  Buy a property  that is at least 30% overpriced at todays value.  Fund the remaining 70% with either more of life savings or a mortgage.  Result - house (possibly -in a few years time) that has already lost you 30% and will take years to recoup losses. 

Votes please?

Tracey

Julie anne,

1 question about this loan from HDT to SJ?

Do you know how much this was? Has this come up in the admin. findings? If so my real question is the unsold properties on playa golf, can they be factored into the coffers if/when HDT goes into liquidation?

Or am I just a dumb a**?

Regards 

jaqib it is all in the admin report /Inform to the court ,regards JA

Hi Julie.

Call me Bob please.

Yes sj can sell assets to help complete El Pinet and that could be excellent for them, but we are talking about SADM with approximately 1700 buyers. Selling assets wont help SADM as there would be far more money needed. There is NO money. There are very FEW buyers. A big percentage of buyers at SADM no longer want their properties, for various reasons. Most importantly, most of the assets is LAND, and since 90% of builders have stopped building in Spain for the time being, which of them is prepared to buy land they will not build on at the moment. Also, since house prices have hit rock bottom, supposedly, i dont think they have yet by any means, then sj/hdt are not going to get a very good price for their land. Peanuts in fact. As i said earlier: NO money to speak of. FEW buyers. Result: NO SADM.

Get your money back anyway that you can, including a bank guarantee if you have one, and if it takes years, so be it.

There will be No  Santa Ana Del Monte. Not in our time frame anyway and certainly not by San Jose or Herrada Del Tollo.

Three things are certain:  The sunrise.  Death.  NO Santa Ana Del Monte.  [ Trust Me ]

                               Bob.