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11 Nov 2009 11:22 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Thank you Brian for posting the questions put to HdT and their answers " un altered "  it lets us all see the situation as it really is warts and all  . MM


 



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12 Nov 2009 6:50 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

HI MM,

             Thanks for the reply it is nearly time now for everyone to decide on what they really wny heor house or their money back the choice will be theirs to make when th edocumentatin comes out please rad it very carefully, if we accept the offer being made as a whole we might all get what we want. The acceptance of this offer will not affect anyones position.it will be the road map for the future of HdT. if the offer is rejected then we are all in the s**t as there will be very little left in the pot after everyone else gets their monies, we are still fourth in line for any payments.

With the slump in the market in Spain their assets will be worth very litte not what they were valued at three years ago even though some property prices are rising at least in their asking price the situation is still very fragile, very simular to the situation in Ireland to any empty properties not enpugh purchasers. The other point is that if the company is liquidated and another dveleoper purchases the site they will be getting a bargain as all the foundations are already in and roadways and landscaping has already been started and we would loose out on that  as well.

Another major point is that the company if the offer is accepted, will still be under the courts and appointed administrators and this would continue until all debts are repaid and the company financialy sound.

I can nott comment about tha actuall content of the propsed offer as like all of us I have not seen it yet.

 

heres hoping that it is worth the anticipaton, waiting and hope that I feel at this time

regards Brianmags

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12 Nov 2009 9:14 PM by kayem Star rating. 163 forum posts Send private message

May i just ask what qualifications do you have to be able to advise members of this forum on what action to take in response to a question that you admit you do not have details of.

All the foundations are already in ?

Roadways and landscaping ?

Can you please supply evidence of this.

Ken.




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12 Nov 2009 11:03 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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Does any one know what the ADMINISTRATORS are saying???? There`s me thinking the courts are in control of Santa ana del tollo.con. If we are going to get offers or some kind of questionare through the post surley the courts have the only say on whats what??? As for the properties depreciating in value. I dont think my deposit or the other 1000s of deposits have lost that much in value €  the interest they would have made would be a tidy sum of money while the company has been in ADMINISTRATION. If by magic Santa Ana Delmonte goes ahead all the contracts all the permissions water rights are all OUT OF DATE so in how many years time can we expect any kind of resolution 3 4 5 6 years??????????? Not even David Blaine could  pull this one off.


 



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12 Nov 2009 11:38 PM by blaggy Star rating in Doncaster. 112 forum posts Send private message

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PURCHASERS QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE IMPENDING

SETTLEMENT OFFER OF HERRADA DEL TOLLO S.L.

6 November 2009

The October 2009 report that included the news of a forthcoming settlement offer

generated questions from purchasers that were received via email to SARC plus

postings and private messages on internet forums. These questions were collated

and put into a list that was then emailed to HdT. The questions and

replies, are as follows :

HdT’s written

1. Will this project be completed as per the agreement with all promised amenities,

shops, hotel, equestrian centre, 2 golf courses etc?

The approval of the partial plan involves the carrying out the whole project. The

intention of the company is to carry it out as similar as possible to the original

plan, although it will take some time to have it finalized due to the current

situation of the economy and the state of the sales.

The first phase will comprise the first nine holes of one of the golf courses and

some commercial areas. It will be partially built, that is, the area where

amenities to supply the first nine holes of the golf course will be located. The

remaining premises will be built in accordance to the needs and the progress of

the building works.

2. Will the builds be finished to a high standard?

One of our trademark has always been the quality of the product offered and that

is something the company is not willing to compromise on. The properties will

be built to a high quality & standard by using only the best materials available in

the market, enhancing its aesthetics beauty as well as its security.

3. Is it true that around 1,000 houses will be built initially.

Actually, the first phase will consist of 2.700 houses. Out of these 2.700 houses,

1.000 are already sold. Therefore, the priority will be to finish these 1.000

houses and that is why it could have been given to understand that 1.000 houses

were initially going to be built.

4.

How do we know that it will get finished, other developments are having awful

The mains supply for the first phase will be guaranteed as it is stated on the

studies and researches done. Without guarantee of the mains supply, the Town

hall will not give the approval for the building of the houses. The supply will

obviously include the water supply.

The finalization of the building works will be guaranteed by the developer

mortgage or the relevant financing available when the final settlement is to be

approved.

5. How do I know they will be able to get enough money to continue such a

massive project in the future?

The project must progress step by step. We hope that the economical situation

improves in the future in general. That will mean that the expectations for the

progress of the development will therefore improve and this will make the

necessary financing easy to obtain in order to finalize the site.

6. Will Santa Anna go ahead and have the golf courses hotels and club house as

promised, or will they just make a start and then “bugger off” leaving it

incomplete?

When the building of a phase is started, it must be finished. Because of that,

though the project takes longer than initially planned, it must be carried out and

finalized. The building works of the first phase, along with its amenities, will

have to be finished to a living standard.

7. How long will the development take to finish?

The finalization of the project, as a whole, could be delayed from eight to ten

years. Meanwhile, the properties will be built in accordance to the different

phases, as well as the amenities (golf courses, infrastructures, hotel and

commercial and leisure areas). It will take around 3-4 years because the more

difficult stage is the l aunching of the building.

8.

had been bought by Spanish companies who were obviously going to be

interested in the golf side of things i.e tournaments. If what you say is true as

below then it will surely be the companies who have bought the large plots who

will be determining the fate of SADM?

When we were in Jumilla we were told that a very large percentage of the plots

There has not been any definitive sale in any of the plot of land that comprises

the Santa Ana development. There have been some companies interested in the

project but no successful agreement was reached. Therefore, we are not aware

about those comments of Spanish companies having purchased land in Santa

Ana and where they might come from.

9. I had heard that the amount of Spanish purchasers for SADM was more than

45%, is this true and if not how many are?

There is a high percentage of Spanish purchasers that are still interested in going

ahead with the purchase and whose contract is still valid. However, I haven’t got

the exact percentage that accounts for the Spanish purchasers.

10.

What is the purchaser’s percentage of the debt?

The purchasers whose contracts are valid amounts roughly more than 55% of the

debt.

11. Can you tell me if the settlement agreement is a proposal by HDT or by the

Court administrators?

The settlement agreement is an offer that comes from Herrada del Tollo,

nevertheless, both the court administrators as well as the judge will have to give

their consent to it.

12. How will everyone be informed as outside of this forum no one seems to be

aware of it?

The company will try to contact all the creditors through the settlement’s

explanation letter or accompanying letter in order to inform them about the

situation. Likewise, all the notifications will be posted in the web. We also will

inform directly to those lawyers who are acting on behalf of clients and who has

been informed us about this representation in the past. In any case, the court will

inform about any important information that may arise.

13. Will the notification be available via our legal reps? Or will it come directly to

the client?

The information will be directly supplied to the purchasers. Nevertheless, if any

purchasers have appeared before the court through a solicitor and barrister, the

notifications will also be also received by the legal representatives through the

solicitors who are usually aware of any notifications that may arise from the

proceeding.

14. We are not voting yet as to whether we want our house or money BUT if most

people vote for their money back at this stage, then they know there is no

support for the project. If you vote to say you want your house, whose to say

you are either committed to this choice or at least have your money tied up until

HdT decide to pay us back?.

Those purchasers who decide to go ahead with the purchase and who later

decide to finalize the purchase by a resolution of the contract, will be applied the

same conditions and paying schedule as the rest of the creditors who had already

finalized their purchase before the final settlement agreement.

15. HdT are willing to pay for a notary if we agree to their plan, why would anyone

not want to get their own lawyer to look at this and act on it rather than blindly

trust HdT?

The notary will be the way of supporting the settlement agreement by signing in

front of the notary. The final settlement can be checked before the signature by

the pu

rchaser, his solicitor or legal consultant either at the notary’s office or in

advance.

16. Will the agreement and accompanying letter be forwarded to all purchasers at

the Jumilla site or just those in touch with SARC, and also where do we stand

concerning our solicitors who have power of attorney for us, will they be in a

position to accept the agreement at the notary on our behalf?

All the purchasers will have to be notified. Nevertheless, in the case a purchaser

does not receive the notification due to the postal service, wrong address, etc. the

notifications will be posted in the company’s web page and of course, SARC

will be updated on those notifications.

The final settlement agreement itself will not be forwarded to every purchasers,

only the accompanying letter that will inform where to access for the settlement

to be checked. Any creditor is able to delegate his vote to a solicitor or whoever

he considers suit by granting a special power of attorney to act and sign the

agreement on his behalf.

17. What is the voting process and how long does it take?

The voting process is a joining process, this means that the company makes a

proposal consisting on a settlement and those who agree with it will have to join

it. Those who do not join it, it will be considered that are against the settlement.

The way of joining the settlement is formalizing the agreement to the settlement

before the notary.

The deadline to get the settlement approved will be 90 days from the court order.

The date of the court order will be po

sted in the company’s web page and SARC

will be informed accordingly.

18. Presumably the settlement agreement if in Spanish will also have an English

version?

Yes, there will be available a translation of the settlement agreement.

19. How do I know if I can trust HdT & that they will deliver what is in the

agreement?

The company submits this final settlement because this is the way to go on and

continue with the project. The settlement will comprise the reasons that Herrada

del Tollo, S.L. has put forward to propose such as settlement. The main reason

why the company ought to honour the settlement is that the future of the

company is bound to the fulfillment of the settlement that is due to be supervised

by the court. In the case the company does not honour the settlement, the court is

entitled to take the necessary measure to make the company is acting in

compliance with the final settlement, being able to order, as a last resource, the

liquidation of the company if the settlement is not properly fulfilled. Therefore,

having the court supervising the settlement is in our opinion, will act similarly as

any legal binding.

20.

If we don’t buy should we still vote and would we be held accountable for

saying 'yes' but not buying?

All the creditors whose contract is either cancelled or not, can join the final

settlement by signing before the notary. The purchasers have to be aware that

they are not deciding about going ahead with the purchase or pulling out of the

purchase contract. Those purchasers who eventually finalize the contract will be

in the same position as to those purchasers who have already done it in the past,

as far as reimbursement of the money is concerned. However, once the renewal

of the contract has taken place, there might be penalty if the purchaser pulls out

but not necessarily. It will depend on the circumstances of the finalization of the

contract, what the stage of the building works, etc.

Final comment;

Please, note that Herrada del Tollo, S.L. and San José inversiones y proyectos

urbanísticos, are companies that belong to the San José group and are related only

with commercial purposes. As far as legal purposes is concerned, they are

independent one another. Therefore, San José is not involved in any way in the

Herrada del Tollo final settlement process.

Please bear this detail in mind before posting any information on the web page.

 

troubles getting water, electrics, and finishing the builds?



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13 Nov 2009 9:22 AM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

Blaggy

I have been reading your post and cant understand this statement where has it come from or am I mis- reading something

"Those purchasers who decide to go ahead with the purchase and who later

decide to finalize the purchase by a resolution of the contract"

a resolution of contract is exactly that,  you are out of obligation, if you resolve your contract , I know I've done it and no longer have to buy the house in Jumilla



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13 Nov 2009 10:52 AM by malcolmandlinda Star rating in playa golf 1. 45 forum posts Send private message

Hi aunty linda blaggy got tjis from sarc`s web site and what i believe  they are saying is if you vote for your house now you can still resolve your contract at a later date. 

i had this thought if we all vote against and hdt goes into lequidation can san jose(parent company) set up another company to buy santa ana cheaply and be free of all debts on this site? good game plan don`t you think.

malcolm and linda R10-23   




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13 Nov 2009 3:32 PM by Laird Dave of Lochaber Star rating in San Miguel De Salina.... 180 forum posts Send private message

Well I think anyone with half a brain knows the answer to that one

dones'nt it just  happens all the time

taking one company down to rid itself of debt




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13 Nov 2009 5:46 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

Dear All,

                   This proposal is not asking wheather you want your house or your money all it is doing is setting out a proposal on how the developement will continue and what options will be available to all of us. These will have to be confimed by the courts with the support of the administrators before we are given the details and if accepted will be under the administrators and courts control until the companies debts are and contacts relaiting to SADM are fully discharged.

Kayem.

your queastion what are my qualifications well what are yours i am stating my opinion which I came to with carefull concideration and after asking my Barristor his advice, by the way what are yours or anyone elses qualifications. I don't believe that I have ever asked that of anyone who has posted their opinion on this site as it is their opinion and they are entitled to voice them as a purchaser like myself. As for road founation and landscaping please look at photos on the  sarc website.

Blaggy

Thanks for posting the Q&A's the answers are as they were supplied to us from HDT

Hi MalcolmandLinda

Can SJ set up another company snap up the Jumillia site if HDT goes bust and be free of debts? not sure of that one possibly but if HdT do go bust then anyone can if they have the money to pay for it.

So The Big question is that if the proposal is a good one and there is a chance to get what you want whatever that is money or house or to down size then vote as you wish. If you feel that it is better to loose everthing and send the company into liquidation and let someone else profit from us then that will be your perogative but please remeber that only those with a valid BG are gaurenteed all of thier funds.

We the majority are not gaurenteed anything if HdT goes into liquidation as we have no BG's and we are fourth in the payout line and quite low down in that as contractors will proberly be before us how much will there be left in the pot for us?

Regards to everyone

Brianmags R4 556


 



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13 Nov 2009 10:31 PM by kayem Star rating. 163 forum posts Send private message

BM.

I do not have any qualifications to advise other members what they should do and that is why i do not do it ! Unlike yourself.

Where on your original post does it state that the contents are just your opinion ?

Nice photos so that is ALL  the foundations then is it ? seems smaller than i imagined.

Or is it just your opinion  that that is all the foundations ?

Your original post read in a very factual and instructive manner, if it is just your opinion i feel you should make that perfectly clear so as not to confuse simple country folk such as myself.

Ken. 




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07 Dec 2009 12:03 AM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,

A long meeting was held with Almudenna last Thursday and the report will be sent out to the SARC membership this week. We hope to have the report on the SARC website for all to see at the weekend.

We hope that keeping a direct line of communication is helpfull and assists you in discounting rumours and forming your own opinions.

 I WANT A POSTIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL

Tony R17 18




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13 Dec 2009 1:07 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,

 As can be seen from the SARC December update, the proposed settlement agreement will very shortly be ready.  SARC is keeping in contact with HdT regarding the vote & will  write a breaking news  report for members & posting on the SARC website ASAP. 

I WANT MY HOUSE AND A POSTIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL

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13 Dec 2009 8:53 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

 

Notarys in England and Wales all you want to know  and need to know about them

Who is a Notary?

A Notary is a qualified lawyer – a member of the third and oldest branch of the legal profession in the United Kingdom.  He is appointed by the Archbishop of Canterbury and is subject to regulation by the Court of Faculties.   The rules which affect Notaries are very similar to the rules which affect Solicitors.  They must be fully insured and maintain fidelity cover for the protection of their clients and the public.  They must keep clients’ money separately from their own and comply with stringent practice rules and rules relating to conduct and discipline.  Notaries have to renew their practising certificates every year and can only do so if they have complied with the rules.

Qualification as a Notary

The Notaries Society is the representative and membership organisation for the profession of notaries public and although it assists in the qualification process it is not the body that admits or has control over the appointment of new notaries. In addition to its involvement in the training of new candidates to the profession the Society organises seminars and training days for its members which are open to candidates on a voluntary basis.

Qualification as a notary is regulated by the Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury under the direction of the Master of the Faculties. Details of the Faculty Office and all the Rules governing the qualification and admission of Notaries can be found at their website www.facultyoffice.org.uk. The main regulations are contained in the Notaries (Qualification) Rules 1998.

These notes do not apply to Notaries already qualified in the European Union or the European Free Trade Area, although the Master may require candidates from Europe to comply with all or part of the requirements of the Rules.

The Notaries (Qualification) Rules 1998

The main points to consider in the Notaries (Qualification) Rules 1998 before deciding whether to qualify as a notary are as follows. Candidates should check ALL the various requirements, not just those summarised below, before embarking on the qualification process.

Under Part II: General Provisions as to Admission - Rule 3 – Qualification for Admission as a notary public.

No person shall be admitted as a notary public to practise in England and Wales unless such person:

3.1 Is at least 21 years of age and has satisfied the requirements of these rules,
3.2 Has taken the oath of allegiance and the oath required by section 7 of the Public Notaries Act 1843, and
3.3

Is, except where such application is made under rule 4 (ecclesiastical notaries) or Rule 9 (European Economic Area notaries) either a solicitor of the Supreme Court, or a barrister at law, or holds a degree.

Under Schedule 2 – Prescribed Subjects

Constitutional/Public Law
The Law of Property
The Law of Contract
The Law of the European Union
Roman Law or Civil Law
Equity and the Law of Trusts

Conflict of Law
Conveyancing
Business Law and Practice
Wills Probate and Administration
Notarial Practice (including Bills of Exchange)

Applicants who have the following qualifications will normally be exempt from further study of most of the above subjects except Roman/Civil Law, Conflicts of Law and Notarial Practice on the basis that they have already studied them to an acceptable standard.

  • Solicitors and barristers who have qualified within the last 5 years

  • Holders of a law degree from an English University awarded within the last 5 years

  • Those who have successfully completed a CPE or LPC course within the last 5 years

Solicitors and barristers who qualified more than 5 years ago must be employed in general practice to be given a full exemption. A fuller and more detailed explanation of the rules governing eligibility to qualify is available from the Faculty Office.

An application for exemption must be made directly to the Faculty Office, from which the prescribed form can be obtained. Exemption can be given wholly or in part. The final date for applications for an exemption certificate each year is the 31st March.

Please note that Roman Law/Civil Law, Conflicts of law and Notarial Practice are not usually studied on a standard law degree course or in the course of training to become a solicitor or barrister, hence most applicants will need to study these subjects. It is of course open to any applicant to seek exemption from these subjects too, should they have the relevant experience.

The Postgraduate Diploma in Notarial Practice

A programme for studying the above subjects is available from Professional Studies at the University of Cambridge which offers a Postgraduate Diploma in Notarial Practice. This is essentially a 2 year distance learning course. In the first year there are courses in Roman (Civil) Law and Private International Law and in the second year in Notarial Practice. There are some compulsory tuition days and a weekend residential course. Assessment is done by written assignments and examinations. Details of the course and its cost are available on their website www.cont-ed.cam.ac.uk/LegalStud/Notarial

Please note that Professional Studies will only accept applications from students who already have a certificate of exemption from the Faculty Office although they are pleased to deal with enquiries from potential applicants at any time. The final date for applications is usually 31st May.

It is possible in certain circumstances for a candidate to be given an exemption from the first year of the Postgraduate Diploma. Such a candidate would enrol only for the second year. He or she would not be awarded a diploma but would be eligible to apply for a Faculty.

Associate membership of the Notaries Society

As soon as a student has registered for the course he or she will be eligible for associate membership of The Notaries Society.  An application form can be obtained from the Secretary.

Application for a Faculty and Admission to the Roll of Notaries

After the Postgraduate Diploma has been obtained applicants may apply to the Faculty Office for admission to the Roll of Notaries by completing and submitting a Certificate of Fitness and a Certificate of Good Character.

Solicitor applicants should note that the Registrar of the Faculty Office will take up references, on behalf of the Master with the Office for the Supervision of Solicitors when formal application to the Master is made.  In the case of other applicants references will be sought from any relevant professional body.

Candidates should be aware at the outset that the Master of the Faculties requires that all newly appointed notaries shall, for the first two years after their appointment, have their practice as a notary supervised by another notary. Candidates should, therefore, arrange the services of a Supervisor (who must have been in actual practice as a notary for not less than five years) before making formal application for admission. In addition, it is also required that, during the period of supervision, a new notary shall attend day courses or seminars on Notarial Practice. There may be other requirements for individual candidates.

General Information

The Notaries Society does not govern the rules nor control the entry of notaries to the profession.  It is pleased to assist candidates or advise generally.  All specific queries concerning qualification or entry to the Postgraduate Diploma Course must be made directly to the Faculty Office or the Cambridge University Institute of Continuing Education, as appropriate.

This outline has been designed to assist those interested in qualifying and as such gives general information.  All candidates are advised to check that they meet all the necessary criteria as laid down in the Rules governing qualification and admission to the profession before making an application.

Copies of the Rules and other information about qualification may be found in the Information Pack which is available from the Secretary at a cost of £10.  Please write to the Administration Department at Po Box 226 Melton Woodbridge IP12 1WX.  Additional information can be found on the members’ side of the website (accessible to all members of the Society).

Roles and Responsibilities

The Master of the Faculties

The Master is responsible for the qualification of notaries and:

(a) makes the Qualification Rules
(b) appoints the Qualifications Board
(c) consults with the Qualifications Board
(d) delegates some functions to the Qualifications Board

The Faculty Office

The Faculty Office is the administrative body of which the Master of the Faculties is head.  Part of its responsibilities is the governance of the notaries.  The Registrar of the Faculty Office has the responsibility for issuing the faculty enabling a notary to practise.

The Qualifications Board

The Board is drawn from members of the profession and includes lay members with a particular interest in professional training and qualification.  It:

(a) acts under the authority delegated to it by the Master and in particular approves courses presented to it by course providers.  It resolves questions between candidates and course providers about exemptions from parts of the course.
(b) advises the Master in consultation
(c) acts as an informal panel of communication from the notarial bodies to the Master.

The University of Cambridge

Professional Studies at The University of Cambridge is, at present, the only provider of qualifications courses. In so doing:-

(a) it designs and delivers the Postgraduate Diploma in accordance with the frame work required by The University of Cambridge.
(b) it consults with the notaries’ bodies with regard to the overall content of the course

The Society of Scrivener Notaries

The Society is the membership body for the Scrivener Notaries.  Scrivener notaries are notaries who have passed the additional examinations that are required by the Scriveners’ Company under the Scriveners (Qualifications) Rules.  These examinations test knowledge of languages and foreign laws in addition to notarial practice.  They are full-time notaries who have traditionally practised only in the City of London.  Scrivener Notaries are represented on the Joint Qualifications Board, and some of them are tutors for the Diploma Course.

The Scriveners’ Company

The Scriveners’ Company is a City Livery Company.  The Scrivener Notaries are obliged to become members of the Company as part of their qualification process.  The Company is the regulatory body for the Scrivener Notaries, and its Notarial Committee is responsible for the content and delivery of the Scriveners’ examinations in consultation with the Faculty Office and Joint Qualifications Board.

here is the website link       http://www.thenotariessociety.org.uk/

brianmags

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for Ireland

David Walsh
Registrar
3rd December 2009

Notaries are appointed by the Chief Justice of Ireland on application by way of Petition in open court. The Petition must be supported by Certificates of Fitness signed by at least six Solicitors practising in the area or district for which an appointment is sought and by a corresponding number of persons representative of the business community i.e. commerce and industry, in the area or district concerned.

 

 

Before making an application seeking appointment, the applicant must have obtained a Certificate of Examination from the Faculty of Notaries Public in Ireland in accordance with the Practice Direction of the Chief Justice made on 28 March 1994 pursuant to Order 127 of the Rules of the Superior Courts (No. 2) of 1993 (S.I. No. 265 of 1993)

The Certificate of Examination is obtained as a result of an applicant successfully passing an examination conducted by the Examination Body of the Faculty. The syllabus for the examination to obtain a Certificate of Examination is as follows:

  1. History of the Notary Public in Ireland
  2. Ethics for the Notary Public
  3. Roman Law
  4. Private International Law
  5. Company Law
  6. Bills of Exchange including Noting and Protesting
  7. Ships Protests
  8. The Hague Convention of 5 October 1961 and EU Conventions (as specified)
  9. Powers of Attorney including Enduring Powers
  10. Inter-country Adoption
  11. Money-laundering legislation
  12. Oaths: substance, form and procedure
  13. Attestation, Authentication and Certification of Documents, Deeds and Transactions.



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13 Dec 2009 9:01 PM by brianmags Star rating in London. 380 forum posts Send private message

and for Scotland

 

Notary Public

Following the Law agents (Scotland) Amendment act 1896, which provided that thereafter only enrolled Law agents could become notaries, and the Conveyancing (Scotland) act 1924, which extended notarial execution to Law agents and others, the importance of notaries declined until recently.

Today the responsibility for admission and registration of notaries lies with the Council of the Law Society of Scotland under the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1990. Petitions to the Court of session for admission as a solicitor normally include an application for admission as a notary public.  Prior to 1 November 2007 any solicitor on the Roll of solicitors had the right to act as a notary. With effect from 1 November 2007 only Solicitors holding a current Practising Certificate issued by the Law Society of Scotland have the right to act as a notary. See Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007 (asp 5) Section 62.  Accordingly most but not all solicitors are notaries public.

The Law Society of Scotland has recently published the 6th Edition of The Modern Notary Public in Scotland - Guidance for Intrant Notaries written by David A. Brand and Michael Clancy.  To access the guide in full, follow the link on the right.

The Law Society of Scotland is a member of the United Kingdom Notarial Forum.

Current Notarial Functions

Oaths Affidavits and Affirmations.
The Solicitors (Scotland) act 1980 provides that these may be signed before a notary public. Such deeds should not relate to any matter in respect of the preservation of the peace, prosecutions, trial or punishment of an offense, or any proceedings before either house of Parliament or any committee thereof.

Affidavits under the Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland) Act 1981.
This role is changed by the Civil Partnerships Act 2004 and the Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006

Protests in maritime matters.
Protests for example against poor wind and weather conditions by a sea captain on arrival in port are signed before a notary public.

Foreign documents.
Documents for use in foreign jurisdictions often require execution before a notary. Care should be taken to ensure that you have your authority registered with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office before executing such documents.

Notarial execution.
Signature on behalf of persons who are blind or unable to write. See the Requirements of Writing (Scotland) Act 1995.

Miscellaneous
Other functions include notarising entry of a person to overseas territories, notarising documents in connection with formation of overseas companies and drawing for repayment of bonds of debenture.

Hi MM have I forgot any one else you might like me to look up for you

 

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31 Dec 2009 1:17 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,

Over the last few days there has been discussion with HdT about the settlement offer, Jumilla Town Hall, the parcelistion of land, licences, documentation etc.

A report is currently being written up and it is anticipated that it will go out to the membership the middle of next week after proof reading by the SARC executive.

 I WANT A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL

Tony R17 18

 




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31 Dec 2009 2:23 PM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

AND INSPAIN just so you know who,s who in the Spanish law system as well as Wales n Scotland

4. The Legal Profession

The practice of any legal profession in Spain requires a law degree at a Law School (Facultad de Derecho).

After obtaining the law degree a Doctorate in Law provides specialization of knowledge in a certain area through lectures and seminars and the presentation of a thesis on a legal topic.

The main legal professions in Spain are:

  • Lawyer (Abogado). Lawyers carry on the advice and defense of public and private interests through the application of legal science and legal techniques. The rules and organization of the profession of lawyers are stated at the “Estatuto General de la abogacía española”, RD 658/2001, June 22nd (http://www.cgae.es/estatuto/220601.htm and http://www.mju.es/est_abogacia.htm). It provides a definition of lawyer, its functions, rights and duties, the requirements to practice as a lawyer and the governing organisms of the legal profession. For the legal practice it’s necessary to be incorporated to the Bar Association (Colegio de Abogados). There is one Bar Association in each province and in major towns. Bar Associations are organized by the “Consejo General de la Abogacia Española”. Lawyers can settle their retributions but contingent fees (cuota litis) are expressly prohibited.

  • Procurador. Unlike lawyers who give advice, procuradores represent the parties in court through a power of attorney. They also receive and deliver documents from and to court. Procuradores have to be incorporated to the “Colegio de Procuradores”. The Colegios are organized by the “Consejo General de Ilustres Colegios de Procuradores de los Tribunales de España”. The profession is regulated by RD 2046/1982, June 30 complemented by RD 1417/1983, May 25th and RD 1030/1985. This figure does not exist in all E.C. legal systems.

  • Notary. Notaries perform a public service conferring authenticity to documents. To develop their function they have a delegated power from the State. In this sense, they depend from the Ministry of Justice and they join the profession after passing an official examination. As the precedent legal professions they are incorporated to the “Colegio de Notarios” presided by “Consejo Superior del Notariado”. The profession is regulated by Law May 28, 1862 and by Decree June 2, 1994.

  • Judges and Magistrates

  • Public prosecutor

  • Professors and "Catedraticos" at University. A Doctorate in Law is required after obtaining the Law degree.



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31 Dec 2009 2:31 PM by TonyMal Star rating in Oxfordshire. 1090 forum posts Send private message

Hi All,

I have reposted this posting due to the abberant posting by Auntielinda  that pushed this information down the thread. 

Hi All,
Over the last few days there has been discussion with HdT about the settlement offer, Jumilla Town Hall, the parcelistion of land, licences, documentation etc.
A report is currently being written up and it is anticipated that it will go out to the membership the middle of next week after proof reading by the SARC executive.
 I WANT A POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL
Tony R17 18



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31 Dec 2009 4:04 PM by MAGICMEG Star rating in Scotland. 546 forum posts Send private message

Tony I think you need to take a reality check . "executive " please !!!!

 Definition of Executive  - someone in a high position, especially in business, who makes decisions and puts them into action

It would seem that it is HdT/SJ who are making all the decisions and calling all the shots not SARC  Almu says "jump " and Tony says " how high  "  Get real Tony you are being led a merry dance and SJ are paying the piper and calling the tune .

 

                                     

 

 

 

 

 


 



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31 Dec 2009 11:08 PM by auntielinda Star rating in San Miguel de Salina.... 646 forum posts Send private message

MM I think Tony is saying I have Alzheimers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if I had I wouldn't give a jot what anyone posts tis he who is not following the thread I "wander" why i bother sometimes


 



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