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Potblack.
Highly complex but the BBC news tonight via interviews and analysis with Justin Gest a New York professor specialising in minority political behaviour and population integration policies discussed France's " defiant secularism" and compared different types of secularism. This is what he analysed which is food for thought for us all perhaps.
"Some types of secularism try to remove religion from the public sphere, and that is the French type, but in other countries such as the USA, it is about not treating any one type of religion with any special status and simply allowing all religions to be expressed rather than removing them. He thought that this surpression was part of the problem "because it's part of a larger integration philosophy that emphasises equality, but equality in the way that people must shed their differencies in order to be French, rather than in the way that in the USA or UK or Canada for instance, where equality is much more a matter of celebrating differences... equal but different rather than equal differences shed."
"It's about the selective suppression of religion, and historically France has had issues when it doesn't practice what it preaches. So the French, whilst insisting on secularism of equality fraternity and togetherness, many French muslims do not feel that sense of togetherness , they don't feel that they are being treated equally, and so rebellion has been part of the result. When it comes to Govts trying to tackle this problem, its been questioned that the prison system radicalises them as well, and also that sense of despair, for people living in certain ghettos when looking for a job, their address, their name, will prevent them even getting on the ladder."
"Employment, housing, discrimination, racial and religious profiling, all of these compound to create a sense of alienation and marginality. In society they only know French Muslims, 5 miilion muslims living in France, and many of them were born there, so when you feel that sense of estrangement, a lot of frustration builds up for certain..."
The question then arises, is it perhaps best to limit and control the population growth and focus on creating a truly inclusive society for those who are here ( of all faiths), to retain control within our realistic financial and physical means, and thereby retain our inclusive psyche rather than completely lose control, to the detriment of all?
Control being the operative word that ironically has been debated over and over again in the referendum debate.
Food for thought?
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Well EU wannabee member Turkey has just shown why it should not be allowed membership, some recent EU member states have seen military action in the name of freedom, which is completely different thing to wanting to replace a legitimate government with a military junta..
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Thank you ads. At least you have attempted to answer the question .
‘’ It would seem that either nobody knows or are prepard to state what the cause's of these terrorism attacks are. Why is that?.’’
It would seem no other members have a clue or are not interested why one so called human being wants to murder innocent people on a vast scale.
Your post ads seems to be just a briefing and explanation of what secularism is.
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Potblack
In fairness I wouldn't expect you to find the answer on Eye on Spain when it appears all the World leaders are at a loss!
If you asked a perpetrator of these heinous crimes I would imagine they would say something like "I/we were commanded to do it by allah" this would be their justification!
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The human anilmal has always been the most distructive all throught time and now they are trying to get to mars and and more, they are not content with having a quiet life and living together in peace. I don't have a religen belief. maybe that is the problem
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I don't have a religen belief. maybe that is the problem
No not really, religion hasn't a lot to do with these people, sure they spout Allah the peaceful religion first chance they can, especially when they are killing kids, chopping of heads, raping young children...And worse still killing their brother muslims.
The world needs to wake up to accept the fact that they want to take over...Everywhere and Everything, just so you then live by the rules and so called reliigion they will impose on everyone, of course all in the name of the Peaceful one...Allah
Blair and Bush have all the answers....'The world was a dangerous place before we got rid of **** and **** Now it's safer'
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baz do mean they are doing what europe did many years ago and not too long ago 1939 perhaps. Are they any different to the atrosaties commited by the white man i.e. Australasia and the Americas come to mind, like I say the human animal is the most distructive animal that includes white animals too. they all worship peace for thier own and destoy that don't agree with them.
the answer I don't know
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haydngj.
Yes, by far the human animal is the worst kind of animal going, but this lot are today, the others were all yesterday gone past, they say learn by your history, all well and good if your capable of understanding and learning, these cant.
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Thank you Team GB I suppose that puts that question to bed. They are just religious Muslims that think it’s a good laugh to murder anyone who is not a Muslim, and the more the merrier.
However that does create another question. How does this Allah guy contact them, does he have a mobile?.
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As I have said many times before religion is the root of all evil in this world
I still do not understand why religous leaders inteh UK ahve so much say and influence in UK govt and the laws of the they have far less right than any MEP or EU commisioner
Relgion should ahev no status in society and should be a subject for home life only and not rammed down our throats by and media. laws or edcuation. Relgious education at school should be be banned, the sole responsibiliy and chocie of parents and replaced oiwth social and cultural subjects teaching the children right from worng, ethcis, good behaviour, respect etc without the claptrap from (fairy story) books written hundreds of years ago which are full of lies, contradictions and hypocrisy
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Native Americans believed that in death they would sit by the camp fires chewing the fat and smoking their pipes with their ancestors, Vikings believed that they would go to Valhalla when they died a good death, however I've never yet met an athiest who was true to their beliefs right up to the point of their death.
As for Islam, I take very seriously anyone who is willing to die in order to kill me and mine, but what can I actually do to prevent it?
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We all need good role models from all faiths and/ or all political persuasions who are willing to commit (not just rhetoric but in practical application) to the principle of ethical and transparent behaviour within democracies. We desperately need more role models willing to commit to integration policies that have better proven track records, but yet be willing to strengthen borders and intelligence where required and learn from recent mistakes.
But given the failing of human kind ( greed, corruption and abuse of power) it becomes essential to have structures in place that aspire to best practice and compliance, to act as adequate safeguards to protect citizens best interests. This comes partly from adherence to the rule of law but also a willingness for constant review so as to identify those areas at risk of failing to protect citizens' best interests ( such as already identified within this thread).
EU bureaucratic intransigence to reform and respond to major concerns relating to their decision making and policies has been ( and still is) perceived as a major stumbling block, especially given the wide divergence of needs across so many member states.
IMHO the risks have not been adequately defined or responded to, to provide sufficient or timely reassurance to citizens. Faith and trust in the EU and its bureaucrats and its willingness to better cooperate and heed the risks and mistakes has been lost in this process and is too focused on political ideology rather than citizens real needs, real concerns.
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Tadd1966 or was it baz1946 anyway someone said
‘’Why has not every Muslim leader in Europe come out to say NOT IN MY NAME? Why don't they come out publically and loudly say stop this senseless murder?’’
Well you can’t really answer that without being classed a racist can you?
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Not sure what all this religious commentry has to do with Brexit. I think all the countries in the EU are nominally Christian.
I have for a long time seen religion as a battle between good and evil and judge the individual religions by the good or ill that their adherants do.
I gave up on organised religion soon after I was confirmed. But this led me to study the other religions. In the end I came to the conclusion that the best guidance in life came from the teachings of JC. But I reject organised Christianity and the mumbo jumbo associated with it.
I too have witnessed people close to me becoming (more) religious towards the last days of their life.
I am not sure, even following the teachings of JC that I believe in god, but cannot see how anyone who believes in a monotheist god can wish to kill another, as all these religions believe that man is made in the image of god. So to kill someone has to be the greatest sacrilege, one which will land you in hell.
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This is not thread for religion so please stay on the topic! Brexit
If you wish to discuss terrorism and religion please start a new thread.
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Are the bookies giving odds on when we will initiate article 50?
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Sky Bet has placed odds of just 5/2 on Article 50 being triggered in "2018 or later or not at all."
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Back to BRIEXIT
‘’The Japanese had huge investment and that is why they prospered’’
Yes but they did make a few blunders on the way. They built a multi million £ Disney theme park** EDITED **
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Looks like there will be another referendum in Scotland maybe even one as early as next year .staying in Europe is indeed beneficial to Scotland . Scotland won't need to have the ok from Westminster we can just go ahead with it.
Im all for Scotland being independent more for my disliking of that Westminster government .
But it's a wait and see..
Have to say this instead of our friends from over the border thinking you pay for our university fees our free prescriptions why don't you stand up against that Westminster government an ask why you don't get it..
Any bright kid leaving school SHOULD have the opportunity to go to uni not because they can AFFORD it but indeed through hard work and merit at school .
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Scotland needs to have a good hard look in the mirror! Had they achieved independence in 2014 they would be bankrupt today - Scotish Daily Record
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